Political Affiliation

[Dr. Tom 0]

I guess I might as well chime in on the seven bullet points, also.

 

1. is against the "War on Drugs" - supports complete legalisation

2. is pro-choice on abortion

3. supports licensing of all firearms and complete ban on automatic/long-range/special-purpose weapons for civilians

4. supports civil unions for homosexuals

5. interprets the First, Third, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments to the Constitution to guarantee a right to privacy

6. believes that we have a duty to promulgate democracy throughout the world (Wilson)

7. believes in a strict separation of church and state, and would support any Congressional resolutions removing "In God We Trust" from the currency and "Under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance

 

1. Absolutely.

2. Yep.

3. Nope.

4. Yup.

5. Definitely.

6. I'm warming up to it, but I also like the John Adams school of thought (Americans are friends of democracy and liberty everywhere, but defenders only of their own).

7. Strict separation is fine, but I don't really give two pins about "under God" in the Pledge or "in God we trust" on the money. Even as an atheist, neither of those things bother me, and I'd be in favor of redicrecting the energies spent on those efforts into getting rid of other, more blatant signs of religion and religious favoritism.

[ant_7000 0]

Democrat.

[Dr. Tom 0]

I am not! How dare you slander me so! WHAT HAVE I EVER DONE TO YOU, ANT!?!?

 

... oh, you meant yourself. Uh... carry on, then. Pip pip.

[treble 0]

And for the record, I voted PC last provincial election, and I think that my MPP (Frank Klees) is one of the few Tories left in parliament.

 

Mine (John O'Toole) retained as well.

I live in Bob Runciman's riding and he kept his seat (even though the Liberal candidate actually had more votes in the main city in the riding). The Liberal won in the riding I actually voted in, though, here at school.

[Styles 0]

Cancer Marney

1. is against the "War on Drugs" - supports complete legalisation

2. is pro-choice on abortion

3. supports licensing of all firearms and complete ban on automatic/long-range/special-purpose weapons for civilians

4. supports civil unions for homosexuals

5. interprets the First, Third, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments to the Constitution to guarantee a right to privacy

6. believes that we have a duty to promulgate democracy throughout the world (Wilson)

7. believes in a strict separation of church and state, and would support any Congressional resolutions removing "In God We Trust" from the currency and "Under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance

 

 

 

So yes, I can understand why you're shocked.

Since everyone else is doing it and I'm just a sheep that does things for acceptance...

 

1. No. I don't think there needs to be "a war on drugs" but I don't believe in legalization. We have enough alcohol related deaths, especially by car, we don't need the rate to shoot up for drug accidents too.

2. Yes, but it's not important to me.

3. Yes. If it weren't for the sake of upholding the soveigrnty of the constitution I would say guns themselves should be removed from society but Im not that radical and understand why they are not.

4. Yes, another case where it's not important to me. As long as it doesn't effect me, why should I care?

5. Yes.

6. Yes. Get to the bastards before they get to us again.

7. No. I don't believe in this complete secular overhaul. Much like Dr. Tom I am not a religious person but having "God" in our pledge or on a statue does not bother me or offend me. I am more tolerant than those that call for the removal because I am tolerant of the vast majority of America that do believe in a God (not any one religion is being endorsed mind you), as did our founders. Plus, the whole idea behind it, is to build up America as a "country of God" as a way of putting ourselves on a moral pedistool above the "godless" countries, so anything like that I'm cool with. "In God We Trust" with that badass eagle is one kick ass slogan/symbol. It's like it's saying "Don't Tread On Me Motherfucker."

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

All politicians are liars and thieves. I base my voting on a few random criteria.

 

1. I always vote for a social liberal. Fiscal concerns are nothing I know about, or really care to bother with too in-depth.

 

2. Spite. For instance, I'll probably end up voting democrat this time because it effectively cancels out a Republican vote. Especially Marney's.

 

3. The people running are generally probably going to do a similar job, as far as I'm concerned, so it really ends up being a whim. If I thought one candidate was starkly evil, I'd vote against him.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Cancer Marney

1. is against the "War on Drugs" - supports complete legalisation

2. is pro-choice on abortion

3. supports licensing of all firearms and complete ban on automatic/long-range/special-purpose weapons for civilians

4. supports civil unions for homosexuals

5. interprets the First, Third, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments to the Constitution to guarantee a right to privacy

6. believes that we have a duty to promulgate democracy throughout the world (Wilson)

7. believes in a strict separation of church and state, and would support any Congressional resolutions removing "In God We Trust" from the currency and "Under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance

 

1. No. Actually I think tobacco should be banned too.

2. Yes

3. Yes

4. Yes

5. Yes

6. Yes

7. Sort of. The head of my Church is the head of my state, but the two branches shouldn't interact. However, they are more important things to worry about than whether God is mentioned in O Canada or not. We have enough problem with national identity as it is without messing around with our national anthem. We shouldn't ditch the monarchy either, for similar reasons.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

You're suggesting that all tobacco products should be illegal? Good luck with that..

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

You're suggesting that all tobacco products should be illegal? Good luck with that..

In public. I could care less what you do in your own home.

[Dr. Tom 0]

You're suggesting that all tobacco products should be illegal? Good luck with that..

In public. I could care less what you do in your own home.

That's why I think drugs should be legalized. What someone does in the privacy of their own home is their business, and it's not the job of the government to tell you that you can't harm yourself. Once people take the drugs outside their home and mess someone else up, then they should have the bloody book thrown at them. Legalize, but don't have ANY tolerance for people who fuck it up.

[Styles 0]

You're suggesting that all tobacco products should be illegal? Good luck with that..

In public. I could care less what you do in your own home.

That's why I think drugs should be legalized. What someone does in the privacy of their own home is their business, and it's not the job of the government to tell you that you can't harm yourself. Once people take the drugs outside their home and mess someone else up, then they should have the bloody book thrown at them. Legalize, but don't have ANY tolerance for people who fuck it up.

I just think if you legalise pot, you're saying it's "ok" and therefore people who otherwise wouldn't risk being high in public or in a car would do so more often, much like with alcohol. That's my fear.

[AndrewTS 0]

Whatever. A hippie in the white house would rule because he wouldn't really do anything. And the last president we had that basically sat on his ass and did nothing had a great economy, great relationship internationally and had a incredibly low amount of spending (once again due to the doing nothing and Republicans not letting the Dems spend as much as they wanted). Therefore, it is my theory that a weeded out cheeto eater is the best thing to vote for.

Don't you know! Bill Clinton is completely responsible for that big economic boom in the 90's! Kamui said so!

 

As for me, Republican. If I had my way I'd cut spending on the military and a lot of its wasteful spending (why the hell do we have guys stationed in countries everywhere, like Sweden?! Learn to defend yourselves, pussies!), spend more on education in some of the more run-down cities but support vouchers. I'd be pro-choice to keep people happy, but if you have one I still think you're a filthy baby-killer. I'd increase overseas humanitarian aid, also, especially for Africa (although it seems like a lost cause).

 

Probably in foreign relations, I'd be more isolationist when it came to military intervention, I'd try to improve overall relations with foreign countries that hate us now.

 

Environmentally...well, I'd be for improving current conditions, try to make more money go to researching and developing alternate power sources (I'm not thrilled at the wishy-washy bowing and ass-kissing of big oil companies).

 

Otherwise, I pretty much agree with Olympic Slam.

 

In other words, Republican, but I take a look at the line-up of sad-ass candidates that look to be running in 2004, shake my head, and sigh. Any good candidates seem to be weeded out by the nomination process. You know, that ceremony that weeds us down to 4 actual candidates before voters even get a chance to vote? Yet, people try to call us a "democracy." PFFFT!! Morons.

[Guest Kamui]

I'd be pro-choice to keep people happy, but if you have one I still think you're a filthy baby-killer.

This actually makes me think more of an X episode than anything else.....

 

I wish more people would worry about all the animals that die who are, you know, ALREADY BORN than human fetuses that possess less intelligence than your average sewer rat. BUT HEY....they have SOULS~!! Or something.

Edited December 9, 2003 by Kamui

[Styles 0]

I'd be pro-choice to keep people happy, but if you have one I still think you're a filthy baby-killer.

This actually makes me think more of an X episode than anything else.....

 

I wish more people would worry about all the animals that die who are, you know, ALREADY BORN that human fetuses that don't possess less intelligence than your average sewer rat. BUT HEY....they have SOULS~!! Or something.

I'd imagine you're a PETA supporter?

[Guest Kamui]

I'd be pro-choice to keep people happy, but if you have one I still think you're a filthy baby-killer.

This actually makes me think more of an X episode than anything else.....

 

I wish more people would worry about all the animals that die who are, you know, ALREADY BORN that human fetuses that don't possess less intelligence than your average sewer rat. BUT HEY....they have SOULS~!! Or something.

I'd imagine you're a PETA supporter?

Take a wild guess.

 

I'm not a complete veggie, but then again I'm not "pro-life" either. I just think it's massivley stupid for people to care so much about unborn fetuses and not about all the animals that die senslessly (not counting the ones that feed us- and even counting them there's some that are pointless, like veal).

[Guest Cerebus]

I'd be pro-choice to keep people happy, but if you have one I still think you're a filthy baby-killer.

This actually makes me think more of an X episode than anything else.....

 

I wish more people would worry about all the animals that die who are, you know, ALREADY BORN that human fetuses that don't possess less intelligence than your average sewer rat. BUT HEY....they have SOULS~!! Or something.

 

Wow, I take back what I said before. Even the hot chick in your sig can't save your posts...

[Styles 0]

Let it be stated here: Kamui is a PETA SUPPORTER. What little credibility you had left, just died...

[Guest Kamui]

Let it be stated here: Kamui is a PETA SUPPORTER. What little credibility you had left, just died...

I don't go around picketing people who wear fur coats....and I'm not well-knowledable in the subject of PETA either. From what little I see of them, though (press releases I see on liberal boards), I'm not against them or anything.

 

Why, did they do something really fucking stupid or something? Show me some proof and I'll rethink my slight support of them.

[Guest Cerebus]

Let it be stated here: Kamui is a PETA SUPPORTER. What little credibility you had left, just died...

I don't go around picketing people who wear fur coats....and I'm not well-knowledable in the subject of PETA either. From what little I see of them, though (press releases I see on liberal boards), I'm not against them or anything.

 

Why, did they do something really fucking stupid or something? Show me some proof and I'll rethink my slight support of them.

Kamui, my brother, you just made my day.

[Guest Kamui]

Let it be stated here: Kamui is a PETA SUPPORTER. What little credibility you had left, just died...

I don't go around picketing people who wear fur coats....and I'm not well-knowledable in the subject of PETA either. From what little I see of them, though (press releases I see on liberal boards), I'm not against them or anything.

 

Why, did they do something really fucking stupid or something? Show me some proof and I'll rethink my slight support of them.

Kamui, my brother, you just made my day.

Yeah, I'm sure you're perfect and know everything about every political group ever to exist, right?

[Guest Cerebus]

Let it be stated here: Kamui is a PETA SUPPORTER. What little credibility you had left, just died...

I don't go around picketing people who wear fur coats....and I'm not well-knowledable in the subject of PETA either. From what little I see of them, though (press releases I see on liberal boards), I'm not against them or anything.

 

Why, did they do something really fucking stupid or something? Show me some proof and I'll rethink my slight support of them.

Kamui, my brother, you just made my day.

Yeah, I'm sure you're perfect and know everything about every political group ever to exist, right?

Ok, fair enough. You want some education on PETA? Here's a start (that quote from Singer is spliced dialogue from a novel of his btw) but since this board has gone through God knows how many ludicrous PETA threads I won't bore them with seeing the same stuff over and over again.

 

[After school special mode]

If you'd like to know more about PETA, there are lots of articles available at your local Google site, or you could feel free to PM me for details. I'd be more than happy to help you in any way I can.

[Justice 0]

I'd be pro-choice to keep people happy, but if you have one I still think you're a filthy baby-killer.

This actually makes me think more of an X episode than anything else.....

 

I wish more people would worry about all the animals that die who are, you know, ALREADY BORN that human fetuses that don't possess less intelligence than your average sewer rat. BUT HEY....they have SOULS~!! Or something.

I'd imagine you're a PETA supporter?

Take a wild guess.

 

I'm not a complete veggie, but then again I'm not "pro-life" either. I just think it's massivley stupid for people to care so much about unborn fetuses and not about all the animals that die senslessly (not counting the ones that feed us- and even counting them there's some that are pointless, like veal).

I have cousins in Wisconsin who actually hunt a lot for food; They eat what they hunt as one of their big supplies to save money on the Grocery store. I know a lot of hunters who do this as well, so to say it's pointless is a gross generalization.

 

I do, though, laugh that you consider hunting senseless death yet it seems that abortion without a proper reason (Rape, Incest, Possible injury or death to the mother) doesn't seem to phase you at all. I suppose the fact that a fetus will undoubtably become a human and the fact that you are stopping this from coming to being could easily be considered murder, right? And comparing them to animals is just idiotic: The fact that will become human and nothing else can qualify them as something more than a squirrel. That almost ranks up there with comparing what happens to livestock to what happened to the Jews during the Holocaust (Something, incidentally, that PETA has already done).

 

But whatever. I'm not a crazy Pro-Life person, but I'm someone who seriously doubts the morality of the act and the Constitutional right to have one as it stands today (Leave it to the states, personally), and I've NEVER seen anyone be so flippant on the subject. Congrats!

[Guest Kamui]

I'd be pro-choice to keep people happy, but if you have one I still think you're a filthy baby-killer.

This actually makes me think more of an X episode than anything else.....

 

I wish more people would worry about all the animals that die who are, you know, ALREADY BORN that human fetuses that don't possess less intelligence than your average sewer rat. BUT HEY....they have SOULS~!! Or something.

I'd imagine you're a PETA supporter?

Take a wild guess.

 

I'm not a complete veggie, but then again I'm not "pro-life" either. I just think it's massivley stupid for people to care so much about unborn fetuses and not about all the animals that die senslessly (not counting the ones that feed us- and even counting them there's some that are pointless, like veal).

I have cousins in Wisconsin who actually hunt a lot for food; They eat what they hunt as one of their big supplies to save money on the Grocery store. I know a lot of hunters who do this as well, so to say it's pointless is a gross generalization.

 

I do, though, laugh that you consider hunting senseless death yet it seems that abortion without a proper reason (Rape, Incest, Possible injury or death to the mother) doesn't seem to phase you at all. I suppose the fact that a fetus will undoubtably become a human and the fact that you are stopping this from coming to being could easily be considered murder, right? And comparing them to animals is just idiotic: The fact that will become human and nothing else can qualify them as something more than a squirrel. That almost ranks up there with comparing what happens to livestock to what happened to the Jews during the Holocaust (Something, incidentally, that PETA has already done).

 

But whatever. I'm not a crazy Pro-Life person, but I'm someone who seriously doubts the morality of the act and the Constitutional right to have one as it stands today (Leave it to the states, personally), and I've NEVER seen anyone be so flippant on the subject. Congrats!

Okay, PETA did that? And here I thought they were just your everyday animal lovers. Whackos.

 

Anyway.....I believe in all that right to choose stuff, and I also believe that "will be" a human being and "is" a human being are two VASTLY different things. Are you preventing a human being from forming? Yeah, but then again, you're doing that also with condoms and birth control pills, so when does it end? Would you like us to take on a Vulcan approach to sex and only do it once every seven years?

[Guest Cerebus]

Would you like us to take on a Vulcan approach to sex and only do it once every seven years?

For the rest of us that would mean a lot less breeding...for you much much more (sorry I couldn't help myself).

 

And for the rest of your post, it wasn't Powerplay that brought up the animal > fetus argument YOU did. And making sure something doesn't start is different than cutting off something when its developing. Ironic that only a few months seperate murder and abortion.

[Guest Kamui]

Would you like us to take on a Vulcan approach to sex and only do it once every seven years?

For the rest of us that would mean a lot less breeding...for you much much more (sorry I couldn't help myself).

 

And for the rest of your post, it wasn't Powerplay that brought up the animal > fetus argument YOU did. And making sure something doesn't start is different than cutting off something when its developing. Ironic that only a few months seperate murder and abortion.

And I don't like the idea of a late trimester abortion. At all. When I'm talking about supporting it, what I mean is:

 

1) I support having the option open. It doesn't mean I'm thrilled about having to use it, but sometimes it's the best option, and I can live with it given the intelligence of the fetus at the time of the abortion.

 

2) I'm talking about early trimester only. The fetus is intelligent enough to consider it a living human in the later trimesters.

 

Yeah, I still maintain that animals > early trimester fetuses. That doesn't mean I'm an EVIL BABY MURDERER~!!, though.

[Justice 0]

Okay, PETA did that? And here I thought they were just your everyday animal lovers. Whackos.

 

Anyway.....I believe in all that right to choose stuff, and I also believe that "will be" a human being and "is" a human being are two VASTLY different things. Are you preventing a human being from forming? Yeah, but then again, you're doing that also with condoms and birth control pills, so when does it end? Would you like us to take on a Vulcan approach to sex and only do it once every seven years?

A sperm, alone, can NEVER become a human being. Same with an egg. A fertilized egg WILL become a human being, discounting a very small minority of those who have genetic defects that won't allow it to come to term. That's what my definition is.

 

And I don't want a Vulcan way of life, but I don't think people thinking it's okay to have sex with everything and everyone because you always have the abortion backup is a safe thing to do, especially considering STDs. If you want to have sex, fine, but recognize that it's main function was not to be pleasurable but to create kids. If that happens, then sorry, but that's how the cookie crumbles; Just because you screwed up doesn't override the right to be able to live for a fetus.

[Guest Kamui]

Okay, PETA did that? And here I thought they were just your everyday animal lovers. Whackos.

 

Anyway.....I believe in all that right to choose stuff, and I also believe that "will be" a human being and "is" a human being are two VASTLY different things. Are you preventing a human being from forming? Yeah, but then again, you're doing that also with condoms and birth control pills, so when does it end? Would you like us to take on a Vulcan approach to sex and only do it once every seven years?

A sperm, alone, can NEVER become a human being. Same with an egg. A fertilized egg WILL become a human being, discounting a very small minority of those who have genetic defects that won't allow it to come to term. That's what my definition is.

 

And I don't want a Vulcan way of life, but I don't think people thinking it's okay to have sex with everything and everyone because you always have the abortion backup is a safe thing to do, especially considering STDs. If you want to have sex, fine, but recognize that it's main function was not to be pleasurable but to create kids. If that happens, then sorry, but that's how the cookie crumbles; Just because you screwed up doesn't override the right to be able to live for a fetus.

But the question here then comes down to more of women's rights- whether she should have been having sex or not, now she's pregnant (ignoring how here for a moment). Do we, as males, really have the right to tell a woman that she should have to go through the hell of pregnancy if she doesn't want to?

 

I don't, and that's why I support early-trimester abortions- I believe the rights of the woman are more important than the rights of something as unintelligent as an early-trimester fetus. Sure, it will become a human- but again, whether that makes it more important than the woman is something you have to decide on your own, and I say no.

[Guest Cerebus]

Okay, PETA did that? And here I thought they were just your everyday animal lovers. Whackos.

 

Anyway.....I believe in all that right to choose stuff, and I also believe that "will be" a human being and "is" a human being are two VASTLY different things. Are you preventing a human being from forming? Yeah, but then again, you're doing that also with condoms and birth control pills, so when does it end? Would you like us to take on a Vulcan approach to sex and only do it once every seven years?

A sperm, alone, can NEVER become a human being. Same with an egg. A fertilized egg WILL become a human being, discounting a very small minority of those who have genetic defects that won't allow it to come to term. That's what my definition is.

 

And I don't want a Vulcan way of life, but I don't think people thinking it's okay to have sex with everything and everyone because you always have the abortion backup is a safe thing to do, especially considering STDs. If you want to have sex, fine, but recognize that it's main function was not to be pleasurable but to create kids. If that happens, then sorry, but that's how the cookie crumbles; Just because you screwed up doesn't override the right to be able to live for a fetus.

But the question here then comes down to more of women's rights- whether she should have been having sex or not, now she's pregnant (ignoring how here for a moment). Do we, as males, really have the right to tell a woman that she should have to go through the hell of pregnancy if she doesn't want to?

 

I don't, and that's why I support early-trimester abortions- I believe the rights of the woman are more important than the rights of something as unintelligent as an early-trimester fetus. Sure, it will become a human- but again, whether that makes it more important than the woman is something you have to decide on your own, and I say no.

That's fine, your opinion and I respect it. But tread carefully on crude anologies eh?

[Guest Kamui]

Okay, PETA did that? And here I thought they were just your everyday animal lovers. Whackos.

 

Anyway.....I believe in all that right to choose stuff, and I also believe that "will be" a human being and "is" a human being are two VASTLY different things. Are you preventing a human being from forming? Yeah, but then again, you're doing that also with condoms and birth control pills, so when does it end? Would you like us to take on a Vulcan approach to sex and only do it once every seven years?

A sperm, alone, can NEVER become a human being. Same with an egg. A fertilized egg WILL become a human being, discounting a very small minority of those who have genetic defects that won't allow it to come to term. That's what my definition is.

 

And I don't want a Vulcan way of life, but I don't think people thinking it's okay to have sex with everything and everyone because you always have the abortion backup is a safe thing to do, especially considering STDs. If you want to have sex, fine, but recognize that it's main function was not to be pleasurable but to create kids. If that happens, then sorry, but that's how the cookie crumbles; Just because you screwed up doesn't override the right to be able to live for a fetus.

But the question here then comes down to more of women's rights- whether she should have been having sex or not, now she's pregnant (ignoring how here for a moment). Do we, as males, really have the right to tell a woman that she should have to go through the hell of pregnancy if she doesn't want to?

 

I don't, and that's why I support early-trimester abortions- I believe the rights of the woman are more important than the rights of something as unintelligent as an early-trimester fetus. Sure, it will become a human- but again, whether that makes it more important than the woman is something you have to decide on your own, and I say no.

That's fine, your opinion and I respect it. But tread carefully on crude anologies eh?

I didn't think it was crude- scientifically it was correct, because an early trimester fetus' intelligent is lower than most animals we have no qualms about killing.

[Guest Cerebus]

Okay, PETA did that? And here I thought they were just your everyday animal lovers. Whackos.

 

Anyway.....I believe in all that right to choose stuff, and I also believe that "will be" a human being and "is" a human being are two VASTLY different things. Are you preventing a human being from forming? Yeah, but then again, you're doing that also with condoms and birth control pills, so when does it end? Would you like us to take on a Vulcan approach to sex and only do it once every seven years?

A sperm, alone, can NEVER become a human being. Same with an egg. A fertilized egg WILL become a human being, discounting a very small minority of those who have genetic defects that won't allow it to come to term. That's what my definition is.

 

And I don't want a Vulcan way of life, but I don't think people thinking it's okay to have sex with everything and everyone because you always have the abortion backup is a safe thing to do, especially considering STDs. If you want to have sex, fine, but recognize that it's main function was not to be pleasurable but to create kids. If that happens, then sorry, but that's how the cookie crumbles; Just because you screwed up doesn't override the right to be able to live for a fetus.

But the question here then comes down to more of women's rights- whether she should have been having sex or not, now she's pregnant (ignoring how here for a moment). Do we, as males, really have the right to tell a woman that she should have to go through the hell of pregnancy if she doesn't want to?

 

I don't, and that's why I support early-trimester abortions- I believe the rights of the woman are more important than the rights of something as unintelligent as an early-trimester fetus. Sure, it will become a human- but again, whether that makes it more important than the woman is something you have to decide on your own, and I say no.

That's fine, your opinion and I respect it. But tread carefully on crude anologies eh?

I didn't think it was crude- scientifically it was correct, because an early trimester fetus' intelligent is lower than most animals we have no qualms about killing.

*sigh* Equating what many, including myself, believe as a very real human being as being lower than animals is not only a bad analogy, it has the potential to get a person you're debating with very hostile and angry and flame you when they normally wouldn't. Debating abortion is fine, it is an important issue, but animal intelligence and the spirtual worth of a human fetus are two different ball games. Equating the two just helps your opinion look that much dumber.