Guest The Higher Power Posted December 10, 2003 Report Posted December 10, 2003 This match happen in 1990 but what shocks me is that fans still talk about it almost 13 years later. It was a classic and no fan has never said it wont. Hulk Hogan & The Ulimate Warrior stole the show that night and had the Skydome hooked. It is a strong memory and a great match. Hulk Hogan & Ulimate Warrior were the best 2 faces in the world at that time.
Drury37 Posted December 11, 2003 Report Posted December 11, 2003 Yeah it was a great match but what was the point of this?!?! Thanks.
Guest JMA Posted December 11, 2003 Report Posted December 11, 2003 This match happen in 1990 but what shocks me is that fans still talk about it almost 13 years later. It was a classic and no fan has never said it wont. Hulk Hogan & The Ulimate Warrior stole the show that night and had the Skydome hooked. It is a strong memory and a great match. Hulk Hogan & Ulimate Warrior were the best 2 faces in the world at that time. Most overrated match EVER. Warrior is a psycho and Hogan had to carry the match.
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Posted December 11, 2003 Report Posted December 11, 2003 This match happen in 1990 but what shocks me is that fans still talk about it almost 13 years later. It was a classic and no fan has never said it wont. Hulk Hogan & The Ulimate Warrior stole the show that night and had the Skydome hooked. It is a strong memory and a great match. Hulk Hogan & Ulimate Warrior were the best 2 faces in the world at that time. Awful.....grammar......damaging remaining.....brain cells.....must...abort.....thread. *scratches nuts and leaves*
Guest The Higher Power Posted December 11, 2003 Report Posted December 11, 2003 Drury37 the point was to bring back many memorys from Wrestlemania 6 Hogan vs Ulimate Warrior because many fans have forgot about the classic.
Guest PhantMan Posted December 11, 2003 Report Posted December 11, 2003 it was planned step by step so not to result boring. warrior/savage from wm7 was better, though.
Guest JMA Posted December 11, 2003 Report Posted December 11, 2003 Drury37 the point was to bring back many memorys from Wrestlemania 6 Hogan vs Ulimate Warrior because many fans have forgot about the classic. Let's keep it that way.
Drury37 Posted December 12, 2003 Report Posted December 12, 2003 Fans have forgotten this classic?!?! Not really this match is one of the most talked about matches of all time!!! Thanks.
King Kamala Posted December 13, 2003 Report Posted December 13, 2003 I'd give this match **1/4, great considering it was Hogan and Warrior but mediocre otherwise. The crowd bumps this matches rating up a quarter star to **1/2.
godthedog Posted December 20, 2003 Report Posted December 20, 2003 i used to think this was the greatest match ever... back when i was nine. i got the opportunity to watch it again last summer, and oh my god is it boring and stupid. the stupid "injured leg" thing at the beginning that doesn't go anywhere, the restholds that went on and on (and on, and on)...smartly planned out to look like a good epic match to the layman, but it does not hold up at all.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted December 20, 2003 Report Posted December 20, 2003 Drury37 the point was to bring back many memorys from Wrestlemania 6 Hogan vs Ulimate Warrior because many fans have forgot about the classic. Let's keep it that way. We get it. You don't like Warrior. Just shut up, JMA. Everytime he's mentioned you bitch, it's over. He's moved on... why can't you?
Guest Your Olympic Hero Posted December 20, 2003 Report Posted December 20, 2003 and Hogan had to carry the match. Words that will probably never be spoken again.
Coffin Surfer Posted December 22, 2003 Report Posted December 22, 2003 and Hogan had to carry the match. Words that will probably never be spoken again. I never saw the match, but from my understanding Hogan once had to carry The Great Muta in a New Japan match. Considering how bad and lazy most of Keji Mutoh's work as the Great Muta is in the early 90s or almost any time frame actually, it really isn't that hard to imagine Hogan outworking him.
deancoles Posted December 22, 2003 Report Posted December 22, 2003 Hogan in japan was a huge shock the first time i saw it.
Betty Houle Posted December 22, 2003 Report Posted December 22, 2003 and Hogan had to carry the match. Words that will probably never be spoken again. No, Hogan has had to carry quite a few people through his career.
haVoc Posted December 22, 2003 Report Posted December 22, 2003 I was 14 when this match happened and I hated it. I still hate it. The whole match is boring with all the headlocks. It didn't get good until the last 3 minutes and I think the reason people remember it was because it was the first time anyone seen Hogan lose clean in the WWF. And yes. Savage/Warrior owns this match.
Sonic Reducer Posted December 22, 2003 Report Posted December 22, 2003 Hogan in japan was a huge shock the first time i saw it. Yeah, same here. First match I saw was against Muta, and the first move Hogan does is an armbar. I about fell out of my chair in awe.
Guest Dynamite Kido Posted December 22, 2003 Report Posted December 22, 2003 and Hogan had to carry the match. Words that will probably never be spoken again. No, Hogan has had to carry quite a few people through his career. Name's and dates please.......
Betty Houle Posted December 22, 2003 Report Posted December 22, 2003 and Hogan had to carry the match. Words that will probably never be spoken again. No, Hogan has had to carry quite a few people through his career. Name's and dates please....... I don't have the exact dates but here are the names: Andre (1987) The Bossman (1988) Brutus (every time) Ultimate Warrior (1990) Undertaker (1991) The Giant (a couple of times) Those are the obvious ones. +All the big fat bastards he carried at various points in his career. +The countless workers that he was at least on equal footing with. Hogan was a damn good worker at times afterall.
Guest Dynamite Kido Posted December 22, 2003 Report Posted December 22, 2003 and Hogan had to carry the match. Words that will probably never be spoken again. No, Hogan has had to carry quite a few people through his career. Name's and dates please....... I don't have the exact dates but here are the names: Andre (1987) The Bossman (1988) Brutus (every time) Ultimate Warrior (1990) Undertaker (1991) The Giant (a couple of times) Those are the obvious ones. +All the big fat bastards he carried at various points in his career. +The countless workers that he was at least on equal footing with. Hogan was a damn good worker at times afterall. Dude, it was sarcasm. I agree he did carry some of the hosses he fought during his first two initial WWF title runs. But where the matches any good? Not many. I was the biggest mark for the guy when I was young, but let's be serious here for a second. The guy hasn't has many matches above the *** area(if any).
CanadianChris Posted December 22, 2003 Report Posted December 22, 2003 It's not a carry if the match sucks.
Guest Dynamite Kido Posted December 22, 2003 Report Posted December 22, 2003 It's not a carry if the match sucks. It CAN be considered a carry if the match is better than expected. For example, Hogan/Bundy from WM 2 . This match was DUD material from the start, but with Hogan's ability to work(80's superhero style) it actually ended up about **. That proves that Hogan in his prime can carry total loads of shit in the ring. Also, I would be hard pressed to find a Bundy match better than that one.
CanadianChris Posted December 22, 2003 Report Posted December 22, 2003 It's not a carry if the match sucks. It CAN be considered a carry if the match is better than expected. For example, Hogan/Bundy from WM 2 . This match was DUD material from the start, but with Hogan's ability to work(80's superhero style) it actually ended up about **. That proves that Hogan in his prime can carry total loads of shit in the ring. Also, I would be hard pressed to find a Bundy match better than that one. Upgrading a match from "total disaster on paper" to "barely watchable" does not constitute a carry. A carry is Benoit getting a ** match out of Nathan Jones on SmackDown a few weeks ago. The Bundy match was about 1/2*...MAYBE * if I was in a good mood. Hogan's good matches have, with one or two exceptions, been with guys who knew how to work (see Savage, Randy; Flair, Ric). And Bundy has never had a good one-on-one match (maybe the SD Jones 8-second special at the original WM, just for the "oh good, it's over" factor). His best match was the six-man midget match at WM III.
Guest Dynamite Kido Posted December 22, 2003 Report Posted December 22, 2003 And Bundy has never had a good one-on-one match (maybe the SD Jones 8-second special at the original WM, just for the "oh good, it's over" factor). His best match was the six-man midget match at WM III. I totally disagree with this. That match was total garbage, besides Heenan/Red Rooster that maybe the worst match in WM history.........some may be just as bad as that one but none are worse(of course for Heenan/Rooster).
CanadianChris Posted December 22, 2003 Report Posted December 22, 2003 And Bundy has never had a good one-on-one match (maybe the SD Jones 8-second special at the original WM, just for the "oh good, it's over" factor). His best match was the six-man midget match at WM III. I totally disagree with this. That match was total garbage, besides Heenan/Red Rooster that maybe the worst match in WM history.........some may be just as bad as that one but none are worse(of course for Heenan/Rooster). Glad to see you got my point.
Betty Houle Posted December 22, 2003 Report Posted December 22, 2003 and Hogan had to carry the match. Words that will probably never be spoken again. No, Hogan has had to carry quite a few people through his career. Name's and dates please....... I don't have the exact dates but here are the names: Andre (1987) The Bossman (1988) Brutus (every time) Ultimate Warrior (1990) Undertaker (1991) The Giant (a couple of times) Those are the obvious ones. +All the big fat bastards he carried at various points in his career. +The countless workers that he was at least on equal footing with. Hogan was a damn good worker at times afterall. Dude, it was sarcasm. I agree he did carry some of the hosses he fought during his first two initial WWF title runs. But where the matches any good? Not many. I was the biggest mark for the guy when I was young, but let's be serious here for a second. The guy hasn't has many matches above the *** area(if any). I wasn't saying he has (although he has: vs. Savage, Dibiase, Flair, and others). Were his matches against One Man Gang and Bundy four star matches? No, but Hogan has carried some of them.
Betty Houle Posted December 22, 2003 Report Posted December 22, 2003 It's not a carry if the match sucks. Yes, it is. Or can be.
Betty Houle Posted December 22, 2003 Report Posted December 22, 2003 It's not a carry if the match sucks. It CAN be considered a carry if the match is better than expected. For example, Hogan/Bundy from WM 2 . This match was DUD material from the start, but with Hogan's ability to work(80's superhero style) it actually ended up about **. That proves that Hogan in his prime can carry total loads of shit in the ring. Also, I would be hard pressed to find a Bundy match better than that one. Upgrading a match from "total disaster on paper" to "barely watchable" does not constitute a carry. A carry is Benoit getting a ** match out of Nathan Jones on SmackDown a few weeks ago. The Bundy match was about 1/2*...MAYBE * if I was in a good mood. Hogan's good matches have, with one or two exceptions, been with guys who knew how to work (see Savage, Randy; Flair, Ric). And Bundy has never had a good one-on-one match (maybe the SD Jones 8-second special at the original WM, just for the "oh good, it's over" factor). His best match was the six-man midget match at WM III. A match doesn't have to reach a certain star-rating to be considered a carry. Hogan has carried guys. Period. And he's a damn good worker. Period. Although you and I may have different definitions for that word.
CanadianChris Posted December 22, 2003 Report Posted December 22, 2003 A match doesn't have to reach a certain star-rating to be considered a carry. No, but there has to be an improvement in workrate. Hogan, in general, doesn't bring this to the table. Hogan has carried guys. Period. Few and far between. Warrior, yes. Slaughter at WM VII, you could maybe make a case for (although I'd argue they were about on the same level). Same with Bossman in the cage match -- although Bossman was approaching his peak at the time. Other than that, I can't think of anyone. And he's a damn good worker. Period. Although you and I may have different definitions for that word. Probably. Hogan has a very basic moveset, and matches against other poor workers tend to be poor from a workrate standpoint (i.e. lots of resting). Hogan hides the fact that he's not a good worker with his impeccable timing and charisma. He's certainly not the worst worker I've ever seen, but he's nowhere near the upper echelon. Hell, Hogan would tell you himself that he's not a great worker.
Betty Houle Posted December 22, 2003 Report Posted December 22, 2003 -No, but there has to be an improvement in workrate. -Hogan has a very basic moveset, and matches against other poor workers tend to be poor from a workrate standpoint (i.e. lots of resting). Hogan hides the fact that he's not a good worker with his impeccable timing and charisma. -There is an improvement (not a huge one mind you). But carrying can be taking a limited and/or clumsy worker and getting a match out of them that gets over. Hogan has done this many times. -I don't judge how good a worker is soley on moveset or workrate. Hogan was a good worker BECAUSE of his impeccable timing, knowledge of how a match should go, and charisma. Judging him by today's "workrate" standard, he won't match up but that's not what I'm talking about. I just see things a little differently.
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