Guest MikeSC Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Does anybody else have a problem with this? -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted December 19, 2003 I have a problem that the judge basically admited the guy was still unstable and then still let him out. This further feuls my extreme dislike of psychiatrists and their lack of touch with reality and such. But I do take comfort in the fact that the secret service will be following him around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Does anybody else have a problem with this? -=Mike A tremendous problem. He's schizophrenic, isn't he? I saw this debated on the news yesterday. One doctor commented that as long as individuals such as Hinkley are medicated, they're fine. The problem is, the medication doesn't work on everyone (it hasn't worked on the Unibomber), and even if it does, often the schizo will stop taking the medication for whatever reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest tSlater Report post Posted December 19, 2003 I have a problem that the judge basically admited the guy was still unstable and then still let him out. This further feuls my extreme dislike of psychiatrists and their lack of touch with reality and such. When it comes to people who are ok, psychologists will try to stir shit up and make you think you're mentally unstable or that someone close to you is. When you really are mentally instable, they don't seem to give a shit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Here's hoping someone puts a bullet in this guy's head while on his unsupervised visit... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 this does seem a bit odd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Anyone who tries to kill for the love of JODIE FOSTER should never be allowed out. For god sake, he couldn't pick a hotter person to kill in the name of?? Picking Jodie Foster back then just proves his insanity further to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted December 19, 2003 She was friggin' hot in Panic Room. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 She was friggin' hot in Panic Room. Hence me saying back then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Wildbomb 4:20 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 I think the judge definitely had a hangover that morning, and wanted to get this thing out of the way. How else do you explain letting a paranoid schizophrenic out, who isn't on his meds, and you don't know whether he'll strike again? Just another hole in the judicial system that needs to be shut. And to take kkk's sentiments a little farther: Someone shoulda walked up behind him with a 44 Magnum, put the barrel of the gun right to his brain stem, pulled the trigger. Pfffft. Thank you, Denis Leary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 But attempted murder from nearly 30 years ago...according to regular sentencing he should have been out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spicy McHaggis 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 But attempted murder from nearly 30 years ago... on the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 But attempted murder from nearly 30 years ago... on the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I don't fucking care. How is that more important than someone attempting to kill Joe Blow. So Hinckley aimed higher than your usual person, a humans life is a humans life. Now I'm not saying set the guy free, but in accordance to how others are treated for the SAME crime (attempted murder) he should have been out already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 He ought to be rotting in a fucking jail -- not in the looney bin... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted December 19, 2003 But attempted murder from nearly 30 years ago... on the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I don't fucking care. How is that more important than someone attempting to kill Joe Blow. So Hinckley aimed higher than your usual person, a humans life is a humans life. Now I'm not saying set the guy free, but in accordance to how others are treated for the SAME crime (attempted murder) he should have been out already. And I think ATTEMPTED murder should have a MANDATORY life sentence. I see no difference in a guy who kills and a guy who TRIES to kill. One's success does not really make one's actions worse here. And what about James Brady? He's paralyzed for the rest of his life. It's not like Hinckley fired ONCE and was stopped. He fired SEVERAL times. Just because he failed in his goal does not mean he's less guilty. And, actually, he wasn't convicted of it. Remember, not guilty due to insanity. I feel that if you get THAT verdict, you should be given a sentence. You spend all the time in a mental institution, no questions asked. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MD2020 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 But attempted murder from nearly 30 years ago... on the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I don't fucking care. How is that more important than someone attempting to kill Joe Blow. So Hinckley aimed higher than your usual person, a humans life is a humans life. Now I'm not saying set the guy free, but in accordance to how others are treated for the SAME crime (attempted murder) he should have been out already. And I think ATTEMPTED murder should have a MANDATORY life sentence. I see no difference in a guy who kills and a guy who TRIES to kill. One's success does not really make one's actions worse here. And what about James Brady? He's paralyzed for the rest of his life. It's not like Hinckley fired ONCE and was stopped. He fired SEVERAL times. Just because he failed in his goal does not mean he's less guilty. And, actually, he wasn't convicted of it. Remember, not guilty due to insanity. I feel that if you get THAT verdict, you should be given a sentence. You spend all the time in a mental institution, no questions asked. -=Mike "They don't give out Nobel Prizes for Attempted Chemistry!" (probably misquoted) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 I don't fucking care. How is that more important than someone attempting to kill Joe Blow. So Hinckley aimed higher than your usual person, a humans life is a humans life. That's not how it works in real life. Certain individuals are, effectively, considered more valuable than the rest of us, and there are protections which reflect this. Heads of state, children, women, even to some extent racial minorities - all are afforded safeguards & protections (which might include, for example, harsher sentences) which others are not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest hunger4unger Report post Posted December 20, 2003 Who is John Hinckley? What did he do? What's the story on him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted December 20, 2003 Who is John Hinckley? What did he do? What's the story on him? Hinckley was a man who shot Reagan (nearly killed him) and James Brady (paralyzing him) in the vain attempts to impress Jodie Foster. He's never shown remorse for his actions. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted December 20, 2003 Who is John Hinckley? What did he do? What's the story on him? Hinckley was a man who shot Reagan (nearly killed him) and James Brady (paralyzing him) in the vain attempts to impress Jodie Foster. He's never shown remorse for his actions. -=Mike Actually that's a key part of it that I forgot. If he really were sane again wouldn't a key part of his recovery be apologizing to the families of the people he hurt? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 He's never shown remorse for his actions. I never understood that reasoning. I did plenty of bad things as a kid and I showed TONS of remorse. My parents still punished me though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted December 20, 2003 He's never shown remorse for his actions. I never understood that reasoning. I did plenty of bad things as a kid and I showed TONS of remorse. My parents still punished me though... From my knowledge of psychology, one needs to be able to admit that they've done wrong and own up to it before they can remotely be viewed as being "healthy". But, flash a $20 and you can get a psychologist to say that Manson is not too bad of a guy. -=Mike ...Psychologists = Hookers with LOWER standards Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted December 20, 2003 Eh, I don't really care. If he shoots Reagan now; it'd be a mercy killing. It's hard to get worked up about such a fuck up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 It's hard to get worked up about such a fuck up. lol -- Are you talking about Hinckley or the judge letting him out?... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted December 21, 2003 It's hard to get worked up about such a fuck up. lol -- Are you talking about Hinckley or the judge letting him out?... Hinckley. The man managed to outfox the best personal defense team in history and actually get into position to kill the President, and then he had enough time unload his entire magazine (and pull the trigger twice when he didn't have any bullets) at the President and he couldn't get the job done? What a fuck up. And it wasn't like it was a kick ass President like Jackson, Truman, or one of the Roosevelts (all four survived assassination attempts), it was Old Man Ron, how tough of a target could he be? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted December 21, 2003 It's hard to get worked up about such a fuck up. lol -- Are you talking about Hinckley or the judge letting him out?... Hinckley. The man managed to outfox the best personal defense team in history and actually get into position to kill the President, and then he had enough time unload his entire magazine (and pull the trigger twice when he didn't have any bullets) at the President and he couldn't get the job done? What a fuck up. And it wasn't like it was a kick ass President like Jackson, Truman, or one of the Roosevelts (all four survived assassination attempts), it was Old Man Ron, how tough of a target could he be? Andrew Jackson was a kick-ass President? Do you REALLY want to go into his track record? The fact that he is inept doesn't excuse him attempting to kill numerous people. It would be ironic if somebody shot HIM in the attempts to impress Jodie Foster. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted December 21, 2003 It's hard to get worked up about such a fuck up. lol -- Are you talking about Hinckley or the judge letting him out?... Hinckley. The man managed to outfox the best personal defense team in history and actually get into position to kill the President, and then he had enough time unload his entire magazine (and pull the trigger twice when he didn't have any bullets) at the President and he couldn't get the job done? What a fuck up. And it wasn't like it was a kick ass President like Jackson, Truman, or one of the Roosevelts (all four survived assassination attempts), it was Old Man Ron, how tough of a target could he be? Damned board message. Can somebody explain what causes that? -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted December 21, 2003 First of all, it's not like they're letting Hinckley go free. They're just allowing him to visit his parents without a cop/doctor/security guard following him. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that. And it's not like the guy won't be followed by 100 media people as soon as he steps foot out of the hospital anyway. Second, where's the threat? Of course, any schizo is a threat to kill anyone at anytime (at least that's what we're supposed to believe), but do people think he's going to try and kill Regan again? Or that he's going to try and kill Bush? Maybe Clinton? I don't think Hinckley is just trying to off US Presidents in general. He had a specific goal, and like someone said earlier, it happened 20-30 years ago. Third, I think it's bullshit that we're saying the President is more important than a "regular" person. We also do the same for any govt. employees, which is why the DC Snipers are facing death; because they didn't just kill "normal" people, they killed people in the govt. That makes no sense. We say each person is equal, then we have laws that nullify that same statement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2003 Andrew Jackson was a kick-ass President? Do you REALLY want to go into his track record? When I read that post my interpretation of it was that Jackson was a tough guy. Of course, Reagan got shot by Hinckley and cracked a joke to his doctor while on the operating table, which is more than what I would have done in that situation... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted December 21, 2003 Maybe by that time he'd forgotten he'd been shot. Okay, I'm going to Hell for that one.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
