Jazz/Funk/Hip-hop fans

[razazteca 0]

Method Man's Tical album must be owned by everyone, his Judgement Day 2000 album is pure crap.

36 Chambers is far greater than Tical. Bring the Pain is ok but the rest of whateva.

Tical has classic kung fu sound bytes in it.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

Method Man's Tical album must be owned by everyone, his Judgement Day 2000 album is pure crap.

36 Chambers is far greater than Tical. Bring the Pain is ok but the rest of whateva.

Tical has classic kung fu sound bytes in it.

So does 36 Chambers. In fact, M.E.T.H.O.D M.A.N was originally on 36 Chambers. Everything on Tical was pretty much copied on Tical.

[razazteca 0]

I'm not a fan of the Wu Tang Clan's way of having 6 or more freestyles on one track. I rather just focus on the 3 or so members that I like.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

I'm not a fan of the Wu Tang Clan's way of having 6 or more freestyles on one track. I rather just focus on the 3 or so members that I like.

Rarely do all of the emcee on one track on 36 Chambers. Many guys have their own tracks that they do with 2 0r 3 others backing them.

[Guest TheArchiteck]

Personally I'm not a huge fan of Wu, except for Ghostface.

His whole lyrics and delivery is hilarious.

 

And I really don't understand how I missed Tribe Called Quest. Shit I was listening to a mix album of their's today.

[razazteca 0]

Get the song "Scenerio" by the Tribe Called Quest, Fu-Schnickens, Leaders of the New School.

[mw679 0]

Yeah, I feel dumb for not mentioning Tribe or Gang Starr. I also thought Tical by Meth was good when it first came out, but it got kinda old, which is why I mentioned 36 Chambers because that album hasn't got old for me. I can still throw it in my car and love every minute of it.

[razazteca 0]

I would rather listen to Method Man & Redman's album Blackout than a Wu Tang Clan one myself.

[Nighthawk 0]

I agree with you, although I prefer Ol' Dirty out of them all, so what do I know?

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

I agree with you, although I prefer Ol' Dirty out of them all, so what do I know?

Clearly nothing

 

haha

 

jk

[razazteca 0]

By Jason West

 

What is jazz? According Wynton Marsalis jazz is music that swings. According to Pat Metheny jazz is not the music of Kenny G. According to Webster's jazz is characterized by propulsive syncopated rhythms, polyphonic ensemble playing, varying degrees of improvisation, and often deliberate distortions of pitch and timbre. Personally, I prefer the definition found in the old musician's joke about jazz being "better than sex, and it lasts longer."

 

Certainly, the question is a highly subjective one. Ask 100 different people "What is jazz?" and you're likely to get 100 different answers. The debate becomes even more confusing given the fact that the history of jazz is relatively well documented.

 

It's no secret that jazz music started in the black ghettos of New Orleans at the end of the 19th century. In the 1920s jazz moved up river to Chicago and New York as African Americans migrated north in search of a better life. The 1930s saw the evolution of swing bands like those lead by Duke Ellington and Count Basie. At the same time great soloists emerged, virtuosi like Louis Armstrong, Coleman Hawkins and Lester Young. In the 1940s be bop hit, personified in the music of Charlie Parker. The Mozart of his day, Bird took all of the melodic and harmonic information available and crystallized it into bebop. But, even in 1955, at the time of Bird's death, most people could answer with confidence when asked, "What is jazz?"

 

Why then, less than half a century later, can't we agree on a working definition? Part of the reason is because jazz has always been and remains today a living art form, ever changing and ever growing. Subsequently, after Bird took bebop to its logical conclusion, musicians like Miles Davis and Ornette Coleman invented new forms like modal playing and "free" jazz. In the 1960s musicians began incorporating R&B, rock and new electric instruments into their jazz. John Coltrane gave us "sheets of sound." The Modern Jazz Quartet mixed jazz and classical music. Everything exploded and suddenly jazz was all over the place.

 

In their effort to market these musical voyages, major record companies have added to the mystification, bombarding us with labels to ponder: Contemporary jazz, mainstream jazz, smooth jazz, alternative jazz, avant-garde jazz, Latin jazz, fusion, etc. At present, it seems that there are almost as many names for jazz as there are jazz groups. Still puzzled? Me too.

 

But not worried. Once again, each one of us is left with our own purely subjective views on jazz. My guess is that, if asked, even musicians - the men and women who are currently dedicating their life to creating this music - would likely disagree on the meaning of jazz.

 

So perhaps a better question is: What do you like? From Jelly Roll Morton to Lee Morgan, from James P. Johnson to John Zorn, the answer is out there, preserved on record for our learning and listening pleasure. Yes, experiencing all the different styles of jazz is a daunting task, but the rewards are great; and the more you listen, the more you'll find similarities within the styles. What's more, jazz elements can be heard outside of its own genre - in rock, R&B, Latin music, African music - the list is endless.

 

Yet, one thing is sure: Jazz remains America's only original living art form. Today, its influence envelops the globe. It's expressive. It's enriching. Call it what you like - jazz is here to stay.

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/

[Masked Man of Mystery 0]

Miles Davis, John Coltrane, and Dizzy Gillispe(I propably mispelled the last fellow's name) are all cool "modern" jazz artists, and I recently discoveredf the fusion pianist Keiko Matsui, who I like. You also couldn't go wrong with Benny Goodman or Artie Shaw

Wow, thats quite the blanket statement.

 

First, Diz had been playing since the 40's and teamed up with Charlie Parker in the more traditional bebop style. Miles originally played with Bird (Parker) and his first few albums were bebop styled shit (Birth of the Cool) then he moved onto the Kind of Blue sessions with John Coltrane which moved away from bebop. In and around Kind of Blue, he produced orchastra pieces with Gil Evans - Porgy and Bess, and Sketches of Spain which were a lot different from his bebop style.

 

Davis' work with Coltrane signalled the solo career of the tenor player. Coltrane eventually moved into much more spiritual, improvisational, and avant-garde styles (A Love Supreme and Meditations) that would become more "modern". But was much much much much different than Diz...or even Davis' work up to that point. Davis eventually accepted more electric aspects of his music and released In a Silent Way...and later the greatest selling jazz album (Bitches Brew) which signalled the rise of fusion music.

 

So tell me, how is Diz a modern artist? Most hardcore jazzaphobes consider the bebop genre that Parker and Gillespie championed during the 40's and 50's as the definitve style, but considering its orgins were conceived nearly 80 years ago doesn't make it modern. And a career as prolific as Davis' surely didn't always fit the caption of being "modern". Coltrane could be argued that he is more modern with his unique style. If anyone wants to get into jazz music, start at Miles Davis. Check out the essential albums (Kind of Blue, Sketches of Spain, Birth of the Cool, Bitches Brew) and see who he worked with. From there, there is a ridiculously entangled relationship of great jazz artists who all played together at one time or another. Generations are connected through Davis from the 30's and 40's up until today.

Hence I put modern in quotes. I recently took a jazz class and he referred to the bebop, cool, and funky styles as modern jazz. He didn't have enough time to get into fusion. But, and I admit I'm not the closest follower of jazz, but when most people think of jazz these days, they usually think of either swing or cool. But I'm picking nits here, it's good music, can we at least agree on that?

[razazteca 0]

The website has some modern jazz artist profiles.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

You need the following Hip Hop Albums,

 

Tribe called Quest - Low End Theory

 

De La Soul - Three feet high and rising, De La Soul is Dead, Stakes is High

 

Ultramagnetic MC's - Critical Beatdown

 

Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold us Back

[ant_7000 0]

Most of those underground white rappers you guys mentioned are garbage. BEP is too corny. I would recommend:

 

Little Brother- The Listening

Louis Logic- Sin-o-matic

Nas-Illmatic

The Roots- Things fall apart

Mos Def- Black on Both Sides, Blackstar

Talib Kweli- Quality, Blackstar

Soundbombing vol. 1-3

Jay-Z- Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint

Kanye West- college dropout (coming soon)

Immortal Techinque

Outkast-All their albums

Goodie Mob- Soul Food

2pac- Me Against the world

Wu Tang Clan- 36 Chambers and Wu Forever

[B. Brian Brunzell 0]

The Roots- Things fall apart

While I love Things Fall Apart, to get The Roots at their best, you must listen to illadelph halflife.

[razazteca 0]

Goodie Mob - Cell Theropy. Also known as the "whose that looking at my window" song

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

Miles Davis, John Coltrane, and Dizzy Gillispe(I propably mispelled the last fellow's name) are all cool "modern" jazz artists, and I recently discoveredf the fusion pianist Keiko Matsui, who I like. You also couldn't go wrong with Benny Goodman or Artie Shaw

Wow, thats quite the blanket statement.

 

First, Diz had been playing since the 40's and teamed up with Charlie Parker in the more traditional bebop style. Miles originally played with Bird (Parker) and his first few albums were bebop styled shit (Birth of the Cool) then he moved onto the Kind of Blue sessions with John Coltrane which moved away from bebop. In and around Kind of Blue, he produced orchastra pieces with Gil Evans - Porgy and Bess, and Sketches of Spain which were a lot different from his bebop style.

 

Davis' work with Coltrane signalled the solo career of the tenor player. Coltrane eventually moved into much more spiritual, improvisational, and avant-garde styles (A Love Supreme and Meditations) that would become more "modern". But was much much much much different than Diz...or even Davis' work up to that point. Davis eventually accepted more electric aspects of his music and released In a Silent Way...and later the greatest selling jazz album (Bitches Brew) which signalled the rise of fusion music.

 

So tell me, how is Diz a modern artist? Most hardcore jazzaphobes consider the bebop genre that Parker and Gillespie championed during the 40's and 50's as the definitve style, but considering its orgins were conceived nearly 80 years ago doesn't make it modern. And a career as prolific as Davis' surely didn't always fit the caption of being "modern". Coltrane could be argued that he is more modern with his unique style. If anyone wants to get into jazz music, start at Miles Davis. Check out the essential albums (Kind of Blue, Sketches of Spain, Birth of the Cool, Bitches Brew) and see who he worked with. From there, there is a ridiculously entangled relationship of great jazz artists who all played together at one time or another. Generations are connected through Davis from the 30's and 40's up until today.

Hence I put modern in quotes. I recently took a jazz class and he referred to the bebop, cool, and funky styles as modern jazz. He didn't have enough time to get into fusion. But, and I admit I'm not the closest follower of jazz, but when most people think of jazz these days, they usually think of either swing or cool. But I'm picking nits here, it's good music, can we at least agree on that?

Yes.

 

I just wouldn't consider Diz modern - I could be wrong though. Coltrane and Davis are certainly the pioneers of modern jazz.

[Steviekick 0]

You need the following Hip Hop Albums,

 

Ultramagnetic MC's - Critical Beatdown

Amazing album.

 

It is Steviekick aproved.

[B. Brian Brunzell 0]

Miles Davis, John Coltrane, and Dizzy Gillispe(I propably mispelled the last fellow's name) are all cool "modern" jazz artists, and I recently discoveredf the fusion pianist Keiko Matsui, who I like. You also couldn't go wrong with Benny Goodman or Artie Shaw

Wow, thats quite the blanket statement.

 

First, Diz had been playing since the 40's and teamed up with Charlie Parker in the more traditional bebop style. Miles originally played with Bird (Parker) and his first few albums were bebop styled shit (Birth of the Cool) then he moved onto the Kind of Blue sessions with John Coltrane which moved away from bebop. In and around Kind of Blue, he produced orchastra pieces with Gil Evans - Porgy and Bess, and Sketches of Spain which were a lot different from his bebop style.

 

Davis' work with Coltrane signalled the solo career of the tenor player. Coltrane eventually moved into much more spiritual, improvisational, and avant-garde styles (A Love Supreme and Meditations) that would become more "modern". But was much much much much different than Diz...or even Davis' work up to that point. Davis eventually accepted more electric aspects of his music and released In a Silent Way...and later the greatest selling jazz album (Bitches Brew) which signalled the rise of fusion music.

 

So tell me, how is Diz a modern artist? Most hardcore jazzaphobes consider the bebop genre that Parker and Gillespie championed during the 40's and 50's as the definitve style, but considering its orgins were conceived nearly 80 years ago doesn't make it modern. And a career as prolific as Davis' surely didn't always fit the caption of being "modern". Coltrane could be argued that he is more modern with his unique style. If anyone wants to get into jazz music, start at Miles Davis. Check out the essential albums (Kind of Blue, Sketches of Spain, Birth of the Cool, Bitches Brew) and see who he worked with. From there, there is a ridiculously entangled relationship of great jazz artists who all played together at one time or another. Generations are connected through Davis from the 30's and 40's up until today.

Hence I put modern in quotes. I recently took a jazz class and he referred to the bebop, cool, and funky styles as modern jazz. He didn't have enough time to get into fusion. But, and I admit I'm not the closest follower of jazz, but when most people think of jazz these days, they usually think of either swing or cool. But I'm picking nits here, it's good music, can we at least agree on that?

Yes.

 

I just wouldn't consider Diz modern - I could be wrong though. Coltrane and Davis are certainly the pioneers of modern jazz.

Dizzy hung around for so long that you could consider him modern, though most wouldn't.

 

Hey 'trane, have you heard Miles' album Adamla? It's really good, though I find parts of it to be a bit too contemporary.