HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2004 Cassell maybe not as good as Marbury stat wise but is very similar. 20.5 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 7.5 APG, 1.2 SPG and 0.2 BPG Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DerangedHermit 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2004 btw, the capsapce the Suns get will mean zilch next offseason. (w)ith the exception of Rasheed Wallace there is absolutely no free agents worth spending any money on. *coughkobebryantcough* *coughCan'tSignSomebodyWho'sInJailForRapecough* *coughhe'sprobablynotgonnaendupinjailcough* *coughIfHeDoesn'tThereWillBeAlotOfRiotingEspeciallyAfterTheTragestyOfJusticThatWasOJcough* You should get that cough checked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2004 Cassell maybe not as good as Marbury stat wise but is very similar. 20.5 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 7.5 APG, 1.2 SPG and 0.2 BPG Agreed. This is propably going to be Cassell's best season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted January 6, 2004 Cassell maybe not as good as Marbury stat wise but is very similar. 20.5 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 7.5 APG, 1.2 SPG and 0.2 BPG Agreed. This is propably going to be Cassell's best season. I actually picked up Cassell in the 6th round of my fantasy draft... I have no complaints. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2004 A riot if Kobe is found innocent? Comparing it to OJ? What the? C'mon, man. It's apples and oranges. With OJ they found a bloody glove. With Kobe you have a girl who got rejected for reality shows and been on internet porn sites looking to cash in on something she most likely wanted. Kobe Bryant is too smart to be a rapist, because he doesn't have to rape anyone. Why force yourself on someone when there are hundreds if not thousands willing to lay down and take it for free. Kobe cheated on his wife. He's not a rapist, and if you think he's going to be in jail next season, you're insane. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ant_7000 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2004 The Knicks made out like bandits. Starbury is the type of marquee player Knicks fans need. I don't think some of you guys seen Marbury play unselfish ball all of last season and I believe he's the 2nd best PG in the game right now. This deal puts them in the playoffs for sure. WTF the Suns were thinking? I know they want cap space but damn. McDyess 2nd stint in Phoenix he's a PF but the Suns franchise player is also PF wtf? The Suns should've gotten atleast Frank Williams instead of one of the PG's (Ward, Eisley) I think Frank can play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2004 I don't see either team making out like bandits in this deal. The Knicks get a star and like someone already mentioned, their cap is fucked for a while. Marbury, Houston, Van Horn, Thomas, Mutumbo can get them in the playoffs in the pitiful East. The Suns get cap space (20-25 mil). Isn't Steve Nash a FA after this season? Plus Lampje was a lottery pick, if his contract wasn't a mess. Throw in two first rounders and cash and it is hard to say Phoenix didn't get anything good out of this deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Winter Of My Discontent Report post Posted January 6, 2004 Cassell's having a pretty good season. Cassell is playing with Garnett. 'nuff said Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2004 Here's an article I just found: Knicks acquire Marbury from Suns By CHRIS SHERIDAN NEW YORK (AP) -- Stephon Marbury is returning to his hometown as part of a blockbuster trade between the New York Knicks and Phoenix Suns on Monday. The Knicks acquired Marbury, Penny Hardaway and Cezary Trybanski from Phoenix for Antonio McDyess, Howard Eisley, Charlie Ward, Maciej Lampe, the rights to Milos Vujanic, two first-round draft picks and cash, Suns owner Jerry Colangelo confirmed. The trade is the fourth of Marbury's career. The Brooklyn native was drafted by Milwaukee and immediately dealt to Minnesota, where he subsequently forced a trade to New Jersey. The Nets sent him to Phoenix for Jason Kidd, and he's now headed to the Knicks in the first major move made by new team president Isiah Thomas. "I think we got the best deal," Knicks center Dikembe Mutombo said. "He's among the best point guards in the league, he's an All-Star player." The trade represents a major shakeup for both teams. In exchange for its best player, Phoenix will go under the salary cap next summer and will have at least $8 million to offer to a free agent class that includes Kobe Bryant. Colangelo said the Suns will save $20 million to $25 million in salary and luxury tax costs through the 2004-05 season. That will allow the Suns to rebuild a team that was eliminated in the first round of the playoffs last season after missing the postseason the year before. "This is a big picture kind of move, and a bold move," Colangelo said. "We didn't have flexibility under the cap, and we were hamstrung by some contracts. This allows us to be a player in free agency if we choose to. This is not a telent-for-talent deal." The contracts of McDyess and Ward expire at the end of this season, and Ward has a buyout clause that can be exercised before Jan. 10. Eisley is under contract for three more seasons. Vujanic, the starting point guard on the Yugoslavian team that won the 2002 World Championship, is playing in Europe. Marbury, one of the league's best point guards, is averaging a team-high 20.8 points for the Suns, who are in last place in the Pacific Division. Hardaway, a former All-Star, has been a reserve in Phoenix and will have the same role in New York. He will earn $14 million next season and $16 million in 2005-06. McDyess, who played for the Suns in 1997-98, returned to action last month after missing more than a year because of knee surgery. McDyess took over a spot in the Knicks' starting lineup from Kurt Thomas, then lost it -- thereby becoming expendable. "We've got a scoring point guard coming in, and a two-guard who's been getting it done for a number of years. So it's going to be a different look for us out there, but it definitely should be an improvement," Kurt Thomas said. Eisley, who recently lost his starting job to Frank Williams, did not play in the Knicks' 95-85 loss to New Jersey on Sunday night. Ward has been with the Knicks for 10 seasons, the second-longest current tenure of any player who spent his career with one NBA team. Isiah Thomas has already turned over about half the Knicks' roster in the two weeks since he replaced team president Scott Layden. "I knew right after we got a new sheriff in town that we were in for a shakeup. One of the reasons he was brought here was to shake up the team and get us to the playoffs," Mutombo said. Marbury will be reunited with Keith Van Horn, his teammate in New Jersey. Last summer, Marbury said the Nets didn't win when he was there because he was surrounded with untalented players, lumping Van Horn in with Gheorghe Muresan and Jim McIlvaine. "No matter how long you play in this league, there's still things that come up that are surprising, and this is definitely one of them," Van Horn said. "Personally we never had any problems. On the court we didn't win, and I think that was the biggest problem that Stephon and I had." At 14-21, the Knicks are fifth in a weak Atlantic Division. But with a starting lineup of Marbury, Allan Houston, Van Horn, Thomas and Mutombo, they should have enough talent to snap their two-year streak of missing the playoffs. "On paper, talentwise, this puts us right up there at the top," Van Horn said. "But that's just paper." It really looks like Isaiah is going for a quick fix to save the Knicks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwin MacPhisto 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2004 I barely follow basketball, but I haven't heard Penny Hardaway's name in a long time. What sort of contract did he luck into that'd let him make $14 million and not even start? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
syxx2001 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2004 LeBron is over hyped. End of story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted January 6, 2004 LeBron is over hyped. End of story. His rookie numbers are comparable to Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan right now. Thus you are an idiot, end of story Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2004 I barely follow basketball, but I haven't heard Penny Hardaway's name in a long time. What sort of contract did he luck into that'd let him make $14 million and not even start? His contract with Phoenix is so high because while he was playing in Orlando he was still doing very well. But he's certainly had problems since signing with Phoenix. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2004 LeBron is over hyped. End of story. His rookie numbers are comparable to Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan right now. Thus you are an idiot, end of story LeBron is having a great rookie season. He's very marketable thanks to coming across as being a nice guy as well as a very good basketball player. He's only going to get better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
syxx2001 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2004 He is all hype. He is good, but he is nowhere as good as people are making him out to be. Didn't Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill have great rookie seasons and were called the next Jordans? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted January 6, 2004 Didn't Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill have great rookie seasons and were called the next Jordans? No Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2004 Hardaway averaged 18 points, 4.5 rebounds, and 6ish for assists during his first five years at Orlando. Then after that he started getting injury prone and it was all down hill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2004 WTF the Suns were thinking? I know they want cap space but damn. They unloaded the remainder of Penny's fat contract. Considering that money will likely attract Kobe Bryant to Phoenix, I don't think that Suns fans should be TOO worried. McDyess 2nd stint in Phoenix he's a PF but the Suns franchise player is also PF wtf? How about the Knicks, who have now invested over $32,000,000/per year in long-term contracts for two players playing the SAME POSITION? McDyess is a free agent at the end of the season - if you connect the dots, that means they unloaded two bad contracts (Marbury's extension and Penny's remainder) to use McDyess for literally nothing. The Suns should've gotten atleast Frank Williams instead of one of the PG's (Ward, Eisley) I think Frank can play. Ward will be released at the end of the week. Eisley is decent enough to man the point, while Marion and Stoudemire become the focal point for the Suns. ...and for the record... Two 1st round draft picks + cap space > Frank Williams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ant_7000 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2004 ^With the 04 draft being weak< Frank Williams. They WON'T get Kobe. I forgot McDyess is free agent next year. Eisley is a good backup. Barbosa had a good game last night so there might be hope. Your right the Knicks is strap with big contracts but that wasn't new anyway. The Knicks will go to the playoffs no doubt. But, they won't go far into the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2004 The whole thing is a pretty good quick fix for the Knicks. They might go far in the playoffs because the Eastern Conference is so bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Ward has already been released by the Suns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2004 I wonder where he will show up next...It pisses me off that he was released and that Karl Malone and Allen Iverson are injured because I'm getting screwed over in my fantasy league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted January 8, 2004 Where's the "Charlie Ward is now the best QB in Phoenix" jokes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2004 Hahahah...I read somewhere that the Knicks might actually resign Ward at a lower contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
