KTID 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Yes him and his company dieing is a lot easier than not watching. Is that because dedicated lifelong wrestling fans (like me) have to stop watching wrestling if one company goes out of business? Considering the company in question is amongst the worst wrestling promotions of all time, i highly doubt it will affect me, to be honest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Remember that big six man tag match that Spanky was a part of...a SD ME I believe. Yes I do, and I remember it opened Judgment Day, it lasted three minutes and Spanky did the job. Unless you aren't talking about Benoit/Rhyno/Spanky vs. Cena/Stamboli/Palumbo, in that case I'm curious as to what you're referring to. Yes that's the one I'm talking about. My only point was that at one time, he at least had some sort of position once upon a time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Well, my point was that the match wasn't "big" (unless you're Michael Cole), and it definitely wasn't anywhere near the main event. But this is getting off-topic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Yes him and his company dieing is a lot easier than not watching. Is that because dedicated lifelong wrestling fans (like me) have to stop watching wrestling if one company goes out of business? Considering the company in question is amongst the worst wrestling promotions of all time, i highly doubt it will affect me, to be honest. How can be amongst the worst wrestling promotions of all time? The WWF has been or is now better than: WCW, TNA, ECW, and the dozens of two-bit indies in the country where you'll be lucky to a match over ** all night. Posts like THIS are way people think this folder is garbage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTID 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 WWE can't compare with: WCW 1996-1998; ECW *EVER*; NWA majority of 1980's; TNA for about the last year; ROH since its inception; NJPW 198O's-1990's; AJPW 1990's; NOAH the last two years or more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 ROH has been around for less then two years. WWE has been around for a lot longer then that. And considering TNA is $10 and most of WWE is free- I'd say WWE is better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTID 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Its all about opinions i suppose, but it is *my opinion* that WWE sucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted January 15, 2004 WWE can't compare with: WCW 1996-1998; ECW *EVER*; NWA majority of 1980's; TNA for about the last year; ROH since its inception; NJPW 198O's-1990's; AJPW 1990's; NOAH the last two years or more. TNA is the WWE. It's the same damn thing with the same damn problems. Thus it totally fails in it's mission from it's inception which was to be an alternative to the WWE. ECW had great storytelling, but so did the WWF from 97-00 and the workrate was MUCH MUCH better. Hell, the workrate was better in 96 when Michaels was the Champ and buyrates were way down. ECW was a storyteller's promotion the workrate was rarely very good past 95-96. WCW pissed away the greatest roster and angle in wrestling history and so it can never be better than anything. Ever. Besides there wouldn't have BEEN an NWO without 3 guys the WWF made. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 When Paul London wins the WWE title we can start talking about how TNA is the same as WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry Blossom Viscount 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 I can't wait for Vince McMahon and his company to die an awful death. What's this? It seems the rules aren't enforced in the old WWE Folder, which is ironically just as bad it's namesake. I mean, sure this place is somewhere between a wanna-be elitist circle jerk, a place for budding Carrot Tops to debut new jokes, and a mental retardation home, but please, let's not let the insane run the asylum here! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 When Paul London wins the WWE title we can start talking about how TNA is the same as WWE. Jericho and HBK have both been considered cruiserweights and won WWE Title. And when AJ was champion he was treated like shit and made to look like a pussy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 WWE can't compare with: WCW 1996-1998; ECW *EVER*; NWA majority of 1980's; TNA for about the last year; ROH since its inception; NJPW 198O's-1990's; AJPW 1990's; NOAH the last two years or more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry Blossom Viscount 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 It stinks! It stinks! It stinks! It stinks! It stinks! -Patrick Yeees, Mr. Patrick, everything stinks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Maybe it was AJ's dream to be treated like shit. I guess we should all be happy for him and live in ignorance of the crap product. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 That's why AJ said he prefers ROH over TNA. London said in many interviews before and after being signed by WWE that it was his dream to go there and that's what he always wanted to do. That's why I was very happy when he signed with WWE and still am even though I am dissapointed that WWE hasn't capitalised on his potential. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michrome 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Shrug, I hate both TNA and WWE, but I hate TNA more, mostly because they charge 10 bucks a week and still suck. Plus, with the roster they have, the shows should be so much better than they are. About ECW, I don't know if it's fair to say WWE workrate was better in 96. Outside of Shawn's matches, and Bret-Austin at Survivor Series, the wrestling sucked dick in 96 WWF. From 97-on, I agree entirely, ECW was pretty bad. At least you can fairly say that ECW had better workrate in 95. WWE is pretty unwatchable for me at the moment, but hopefully things will get better. I just can't understand TNA marks bashing the hell out of what WWE does on free TV when they pay 10 bucks weekly for the same thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Michrome, I wholeheartedly agree with you about TNA. Blind TNA marks bash WWE for certain reasons when TNA makes the same exact mistakes, but cannot afford to due to the fact that WWE still has money it can afford to lose, whereas TNA is not generating a profit at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Considering London has been in a Smackdown ring all of once in a squash, I can't believe that the WWE will ever find anything for him to do ... even though Spoiler (Highlight to Read): Chavo Guerrero SENIOR? seems to fit in just fine? Anyway, anyone who expected little Spanky to be a major player in WWE is insane. You all know this... might as well accept it. Vince doesn't see money in anyone under 225 and for the most part he's right. Who is the biggest cruiserweight draw in North American wrestling history? Rey Mysterio? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Rey IS the #2 house show draw currently in WWE according to Meltzer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Vince needs to realize that no one is clammoring for cruiserweights to go over big men. All we ask for is a solid Cruiserweight Division. You know where cruisers fight cruisers and it's built up as a competitive division. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 WWE can't compare with: WCW 1996-1998; ECW *EVER*; NWA majority of 1980's; TNA for about the last year; ROH since its inception; NJPW 198O's-1990's; AJPW 1990's; NOAH the last two years or more. Excluding ECW, that's a time period of a promotion, not the promotion as a whole. At its worst, the WWE is *still* the best promotion in North America, for a number of reasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michrome 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Depends what best means. Most readily available to watch? Sure. Best wrestling? Not a chance in hell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Depends what best means. Most readily available to watch? Sure. Best wrestling? Not a chance in hell. Best wrestling in a promotion literally means nothing, unless people are willing to pay for it. Putting on a ***** match in an indy and drawing 75 people is different from seeing a ***** match in front of 15,000. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 And when AJ was champion he was treated like shit and made to look like a pussy And how was that Jericho world title reign anyway? Hmmm... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Deebo Report post Posted January 15, 2004 You know, we talk in jest about the wrestlers walking out and what not, but what if it actually happened? I mean what if Spanky leaving opens the flood gates a bit for a lot of misused mid card guys and guys who just plain aren't being used at all to just up and leave? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silence 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 You know, we talk in jest about the wrestlers walking out and what not, but what if it actually happened? I mean what if Spanky leaving opens the flood gates a bit for a lot of misused mid card guys and guys who just plain aren't being used at all to just up and leave? Hopefully Spanky will be better off in the indies and Japan now since he and London were only beating jobber tag teams (Kanyon unfortunately counts as one too. I know, it's WWE's fault for having him job to Orlando Jordan so much.) and lost to tag teams who win and lose equally (WGTT, FBI). To answer your question, Deebo, I can most likely picture Kanyon doing the same thing with the way he's been treated since he came back from an injury just 1 or 2 years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2004 How gets paid more than Kanyon? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Deviant Report post Posted January 15, 2004 Wrestling is dead. Lets all just deal with it. Everything that once made wrestling great is gone. It'll be near impossible to repair it. I suggest people either a. lower their standards b. have the cash to buy old school, japanese, or indy shit from traders c. quit watching Everything now sucks. Spanky knows it. He'll wrestle a few more years to y'know, actually wrestle....then he'll have to do something else for a hefty payday. The days of WWE being the promiseland are through. So you actually mean "Wrestling in WWE is dead", and even then, it's only on life support. But still, wrestling outside of WWE is still wrestling and some people, get this, actually like performing in front of appreciative crowds and getting paid to do so. If you're not on WWE TV, there's no point? I almost pity you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Deviant Report post Posted January 15, 2004 And as for which company is the best right now, I personally choose to use my own freaking mind and decision making power to decide that for myself. If you are going to call a TV deal and size of the fanbase something to judge which company is "best", that's sad. I personally find Ring of Honor, and IWA-MS and CZW at times, to be far superior to WWE. So, get this, I watch them. And how exactly was WWE better than ECW simply because it survived longer? ECW was storyline driven and had no workrate after 95-96? Did I even understand that correctly, or are you legitimately questioning the workrates of guys like Storm, Lynn, Tajiri and such? Once again, I personally consider ECW to have been a superior company, as I judge companies to be better or worse than others based on how much they entertain me. But dammit, I must be insane... Either that, or WWE's lack of logic has infiltrated this board. And for the record, go Spanky! It takes tremendous balls and intelligence to do what he did. Also, without first-hand knowledge, I think he'll actually be making quite a healthy amount of money in Japan and on the indies. But if it is a price cut, I guess Spanky was just able to put a price on what respect and getting to do what he loves is to him, and it was more than what WWE was paying him. Good for him. Also, how many others have walked out on a huge contract due to problems with creative? Raven, the Radicalz, Spanky... who else? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Korgath Report post Posted January 15, 2004 I give props to Kendrick because he HAS talent and he KNOWS it. He had his shot at the big time, got "misused" (in his opinion and ours) and has decided to take a risk and go where he can be who he wants to be. In the same vein, my heart goes out to those workers who are forced to stay in the WWE due to financial reasons. Especially Dreamer, who got married not too long ago and will definitely suffer if he gets cut. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites