Huge Update On Chris Benoit's WWE Future

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

There's the rub that ends this discussion.

 

There is NO WAY HHH vs. Benoit is the last match on WrestleMania XX.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Benoit jobbing to hhh might suck but it can still be a very good match and to me that matters the most.

 

No Mercy 2000 this will not be.

 

Benoit has been world champion before

 

Benoit himself doesn't recognize his own world title win. Not that I can blame though.

[AndrewTS 0]

This is a totally different beast from WM 2000 or WM X-7, this is what the WWE is promoting this as the biggest PPV of all time.

That's EVERY Wrestlemania.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Maybe you can't see it because your head's up your ass?

This post and this thread is why this damn folder needs moderation, personal moderators. Shit like this isn't even necessary.

[Guest Deebo]

This is a totally different beast from WM 2000 or WM X-7, this is what the WWE is promoting this as the biggest PPV of all time.

That's EVERY Wrestlemania.

This is different and you know it. They have been promoting this show every week since the day after Wrestlemania XIX.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

What happened to Benoit the last time he feuded with HHH?

 

Next PPV: Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko, Eddie Guerrero, & Perry Saturn beat Billy Gunn, Road Dogg, Chyna, & K-Kwik (12:43) in an "elimination" match. Benoit & Saturn were the survivors.

 

PPV after that: Chris Benoit beat Billy Gunn (10:03) via submission to win the WWF I-C Title

 

.. that's right, he went off to feud with Billy Gunn - the guy who almost ended his career multiple times when they wrestled.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

 

Maybe you can't see it because your head's up your ass?

This post and this thread is why this damn folder needs moderation, personal moderators. Shit like this isn't even necessary.

Grow a thicker skin.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

This post and this thread is why this damn folder needs moderation, personal moderators. Shit like this isn't even necessary.

 

I KNOW! You're not even on TOPIC!

 

This is different and you know it. They have been promoting this show every week since the day after Wrestlemania XIX

 

"Black people are not as good as white people" - this was the moral to HHH/Booker match. Think about it...

[razazteca 0]

Chris Beniot, Chris Jericho, Christian, vs Evolution in the future? What name will the 3 Canadian Chrises use? Vitamin C?

[2GOLD 0]

Won't Lesnar vs Goldberg be the big money match over HHH vs Benoit?

[cbacon 0]

1. Benoit is getting the Big Gold Belt. Brock Lesnar holds the WWE title.

 

Both world titles are held in the same regard in kayfabe. JR reiterates it everytime he refers to it as 'the richest prize in the business' (although they should be considered equal). Either way Benoit will go down in the history books as a former World Champion in the WWE.

 

2. You can't be a wrestling fan if you're happy with Benoit getting a second-best title. Someone who works as hard as Benoit has for so long deserves better.

 

He'll be the world champ on the flagship program for the WWE. It dosent get much bigger than that. Nor does it get any bigger then winning a world title at the 20th WrestleMania in MSG.

 

3. I can PROMISE you this: Benoit will be worse off after his feud with HHH than was before it. Still excited?

 

Considering SummerSlam is in Toronto, Benoit will surely be booked strongly and in the title picture until then. So in that regard, yes.

[Guest wildpegasus]

.. that's right, he went off to feud with Billy Gunn - the guy who almost ended his career multiple times when they wrestled.

and that whole scenario reeked of HHH stealing Benoit's spot.

[AndrewTS 0]

This is a totally different beast from WM 2000 or WM X-7, this is what the WWE is promoting this as the biggest PPV of all time.

That's EVERY Wrestlemania.

This is different and you know it. They have been promoting this show every week since the day after Wrestlemania XIX.

So, HHH/Benoit doesn't go on last then?

 

Won't Lesnar vs Goldberg be the big money match over HHH vs Benoit?

 

If reports are accurate, that match may not even happen, so I wouldn't count on it.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

1. Just because Vince probably will want to send the fans home happy, that doesn't mean that Benoit is going to win. Vince might put the WWE title match in the main event, and have a face win there, as opposed to Benoit.

 

The move may come as a result of Benoit winning the Royal Rumble and then demanding to face Triple H for the World Title at RAW.

 

This makes NO FUCKING SENSE AT ALL.

 

How the FUCK are they going to book this properly? The rules of the Royal Rumble are very simple: The winner gets a title shot. Of course, thanks to the fact that we have two titles, it's a little more complex; The winner gets a shot at the title of their brand.

 

So what you'd need to have is Benoit cutting a promo in which he basically states that even though he *knows* he can beat Brock Lesnar, even though he *wants* to beat Brock Lesnar, and even though he JUST WON A FUCKING TITLE SHOT FOR THE WWE FUCKING TITLE, he wants to wrestle HHH. A man he has NO REASON to hate. A man he has NO REASON to want to wrestle.

 

And don't gimmie that "Heyman said he can't have a title shot ever again" BS. Past years clearly show that you CAN'T stop the Rumble winner from claiming his prize unless he willfully forfeits it. If there was any way to stop it, then Vince would never have allowed Austin to take his shot, and he OWNS THE FUCKING COMPANY. If the owner can't stop him, why the fuck should someone who's subordinate to the owner be able to do so?

 

Fuck...I hate looking for internal logic and consistency in the fed, because it really doesn't exist anymore. The worst part is, Benoit probably will cut a promo stating that he wants HHH, and the whole thing will just be a verbal blowjob about how great HHH is and how proud Benoit would be to beat him, blah blah blah, so that HHH just looks *that* much better when Benoit ends up in the midcard while HHH is riding high.

 

Actually, no, the worst part is that I gave up on RAW so I could just watch my favourite wrestlers on SD, HHH free. Now he's fucking stealing that from me too.

 

EDIT: I guess I'm not done yet.

 

He'll be the world champ on the flagship program for the WWE. It dosent get much bigger than that. Nor does it get any bigger then winning a world title at the 20th WrestleMania in MSG.

 

What about winning the ACTUAL belt, from a guy he has an ACTUAL reason to fued with, in what would be the cultimation of an ACTUAL angle that's been building for months? I think that'd be a bit better.

 

Considering SummerSlam is in Toronto, Benoit will surely be booked strongly and in the title picture until then. So in that regard, yes.

 

Because if the Fed has proven one thing time and time again, it's that keeping Canadian fans happy is ALWAYS their #1 priority.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Both world titles are held in the same regard in kayfabe. JR reiterates it everytime he refers to it as 'the richest prize in the business' (although they should be considered equal). Either way Benoit will go down in the history books as a former World Champion in the WWE.

 

RRR, if you don't mind me quoting you, I just loved these so much because truer words were never typed.

 

I can't really think of one, good, possible storyline for Benoit/HHH.

 

I've always wanted to win that title... ever since I, uh, dropped it so I could go to the WWE.. I mean, I've always wanted that title, ever since I was a little boy, and by that I mean a grown man in 2002 when it was given to you HHH. Grr!" - Chris Benoit

 

- RRR

Because *the title* is the whole fucking point! Benoit wants to win the *WWE* title, not the WCW title. He has stated *NO* intentions for the WCW title, he wants the WWE title. Getting this? Against Kurt Angle last year, against Austin in 01, against Rock in 00 - that's the title Benoit wants. Benoit wants the WWE title. Said it 4 times, you should get it by now. - RRR

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Both world titles are held in the same regard in kayfabe. JR reiterates it everytime he refers to it as 'the richest prize in the business' (although they should be considered equal). Either way Benoit will go down in the history books as a former World Champion in the WWE.

 

Yes! He gets to hold that prize which was held by such legends as HHH, and ... HHH! Oooh, such a rich prize indeed. Goodie! I'm changing my whole POV, THIS IS GREAT! I'm excited! Come, feel!

 

He'll be the world champ on the flagship program for the WWE. It dosent get much bigger than that. Nor does it get any bigger then winning a world title at the 20th WrestleMania in MSG.

 

A fake title. It doesn't get much better than winning a fake title, that's what you mean. Right? It doesn't get much better than winning a fake title - the title that you don't want - in a feud that will more likely than not bury you and take the attention off your winning it. That's what you mean, right? Or are you thinking this is a different HHH and a different Vince McMahon and a different WWE that we're dealing with here? Man, I wish I could live in this fantasy land you're living it... it seems so great... tell me, is it cold there? Do wizards exists? How about 3 tailed dragons??

 

Considering SummerSlam is in Toronto, Benoit will surely be booked strongly and in the title picture until then. So in that regard, yes.

 

Yes, he will be booked very strongly in the title picture... the IC title picture. And Summerslam in Toronto isn't confirmed... haven't you read the Toronto Sun?

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

History is written by the winners.

 

Unless the brand extension lasts forever...the RAW title will end up on the heap...it's holders nothing more than names in the PWI almanac under defunct titles.

 

It also doesn't change the fact that this "world" title has only been defended against half the roster...for...what? a year and a half?

 

At least the WWE title has some around the world defenses against non-contracted people deep and far back in it's history.

 

The RAW title is the TV title.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

The RAW title is the combination of the Euro title, the Hardcore title, the US title, the IC title and the WCW title.

 

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You know, the titles which have absolutely no value whatsoever.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

The US title and IC title's have been pulled back out of it.

 

So I guess Benoit can be a two time WCW champion.

 

Champion of a company that doesn't exist.

 

Hoorah!

[JHawk 0]

Here's the main reason that I see this as a bad idea, and it has nothing to do with Triple H being likely to bury Benoit. It has everything to do with the way Benoit's title win (should it happen) will be perceived.

 

Because should it happen, yes, Benoit would be a "world" champion. But the belt that has the lineage is the SmackDown title. The SmackDown title is the one that's been held by Bruno Sammartino, Bob Backlund, Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold Steve Austin, and The Rock, among others.

 

The Raw Title has been held by Triple H and whoever he feels like loaning it to when he doesn't want to set off metal detectors.

 

Someone with Chris Benoit's talent deserves to have his name written alongside some of the true legends in professional wrestling's history. Most of the men who have held the current SmackDown title (with a couple of exceptions) have at some point been considered legendary. They're the ones who main evented many a show at Madison Square Garden, often in front of sold out crowds. They're the ones that people cheered for, booed, and put their souls on the line for when wrestling was considered "real" by many.

 

The Raw Title simply doesn't have the history behind it to main event the biggest WrestleMania of them all.

 

That, my friends, is why if Chris Benoit wins the Royal Rumble, he must wrestle for the SmackDown Title in the main event of WrestleMania XX. It just won't feel right if the Raw Title gets that spot.

[Guest Coffey]

I don't see the big deal with this thread. We all knew this was going to happen over a month ago. You people act like this is new news and you're all shocked and appalled.

[AndrewTS 0]

"And don't gimmie that "Heyman said he can't have a title shot ever again" BS. Past years clearly show that you CAN'T stop the Rumble winner from claiming his prize unless he willfully forfeits it. "

 

Well, remember that WWE doesn't stick to their own stipulations. Remember how Stephanie, JR, King (then later Coach and Snow), and Austin are all supposed to have been fired and/or gone from WWE forever (no, Steph doesn't get by via the WWF/WWE switch since WWE pretends it always was the WWE just like WWF pretended WWWF never existed and it was always WWF before that....uh...yeah)?

 

Then of course, there's the whole Rumble storyline where Vince won the Rumble despite him not entering it when his number came up, the magic contracts...all that crap.

 

WWE just makes this shit up as they go along.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Well, the hardcore and euro title still mean.... less... right? It's like the J-crown title, but held in lower regard and a lil more unstable and probably has more dead belts under it...

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Of course...if Benoit wins the RAW title...I'm sure HHH will step aside and let him be the focus of the show.

[cbacon 0]

 

 

Yes! He gets to hold that prize which was held by such legends as HHH, and ... HHH! Oooh, such a rich prize indeed. Goodie! I'm changing my whole POV, THIS IS GREAT! I'm excited! Come, feel!

 

Well, its clear we're not going to come to a resolution on the validity on the World Title. Those who hold it in the same regard will see the title win all the more important. I'd say Benoit being classified with some of the industries biggest stars such as HHH, HBK and Goldberg a good thing.

 

 

A fake title. It doesn't get much better than winning a fake title, that's what you mean. Right? It doesn't get much better than winning a fake title - the title that you don't want - in a feud that will more likely than not bury you and take the attention off your winning it. That's what you mean, right? Or are you thinking this is a different HHH and a different Vince McMahon and a different WWE that we're dealing with here? Man, I wish I could live in this fantasy land you're living it... it seems so great... tell me, is it cold there? Do wizards exists? How about 3 tailed dragons??

 

Initially it was percieved as a fake title. Years from now if the brand extension is still intact, nobody is going to refer to it as a 'fake' title

 

Yes, he will be booked very strongly in the title picture... the IC title picture. And Summerslam in Toronto isn't confirmed... haven't you read the Toronto Sun?[/b]

 

Pfft, The Sun is border line tabloid, SS will be in TO.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I don't see the big deal with this thread. We all knew this was going to happen over a month ago. You people act like this is new news and you're all shocked and appalled.

 

Oh, dude, it's going to be like this until I get banned. Seriously, this board will become a lot more negative when it's actually happening and over with... you've seen nothing yet.

 

And THANK YOU J-hawk - couldn't have said it better.

[AndrewTS 0]

JHawk/Metal Maniac: Yeah...it never made sense to me either, and it still doesn't.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Jericho was the first undisputed champion...up there with the biggest Icons in the WWE (Hogan, Rock, HHH and Taker) to hold it.

 

He's still seen on that level.

 

Right?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

The sun had an interview with Carl "President of WWE Canada" Demarco saying that it's not a lock and that they will know by after Mania - he could be bullshitting, but I won't hang my hat on it quite yet. He also mentioned Smackdown will be coming here...

 

Well, as long as Benoit will be shoulder to shoulder with GOLDBERG, that just means SO MUCH.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Jericho was the first undisputed champion...up there with the biggest Icons in the WWE (Hogan, Rock, HHH and Taker) to hold it.

 

He's still seen on that level.

 

Right?

 

JR assures to remind fans week after week of that fact every time Jericho comes out.