Question

[Guest MikeSC]

Gerardo Sandoval, SF County Supervisor, is on "Hannity and Colmes" and is claiming that the phrase "illegal aliens" is just as bad a slur as the "N" word.

 

OK, I don't claim to know exactly how whacked out San Fran is --- but, um, is this kind of lunacy COMMON? Is this a REAL extreme example?

-=Mike

[EricMM 0]

which part is supposed to be offensive?

 

The Illegal part or the Aliens part?

[Guest MikeSC]

which part is supposed to be offensive?

 

The Illegal part or the Aliens part?

From what I gathered, BOTH. It "dehumanizes" them and is only attributed to Hispanics, in his eyes. He feels it stigmaztizes them and is every bit as offensive as the "N" word.

-=Mike

[2GOLD 0]

Yeah sure, illegal aliens is just as bad as the n word.

Right.

 

I'm beginning to think I should never read anything that comes out of California or Florida since it's usually filled with stupidity galore.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Mike, this is not the first time I've seen someone say something like that. I'm sure it's not for you either. You know that I actually live here and think that's as stupid as you think it is. And you and I don't often see eye to eye.

 

Between this guy and Leland Yee, who wants to have government buildings organized to be conductive to feng shui.. Sheesh. Thank god the new Mayor is not a nut, if nothing else.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

which part is supposed to be offensive?

 

The Illegal part or the Aliens part?

The "Aliens" part as Martians often come here and abduct secluded farmhands legally.

[Guest Olympic Slam]

Gerardo Sandoval, SF County Supervisor, is on "Hannity and Colmes" and is claiming that the phrase "illegal aliens" is just as bad a slur as the "N" word.

 

OK, I don't claim to know exactly how whacked out San Fran is --- but, um, is this kind of lunacy COMMON? Is this a REAL extreme example?

-=Mike

This is par for the course in SF. This is the county that finished voting like this in 2002 Governor Election:

 

1. Gray Davis - Democrat

2. Peter Camejo - Green(!)

3. Bill Simon - Republican

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

How did Alan react to this stupidity?...

[Jobber of the Week 0]

How did Alan react to this stupidity?...

"I had something to say here but I forgot. Back to you, Sean!"

[Guest MikeSC]

Mike, this is not the first time I've seen someone say something like that. I'm sure it's not for you either. You know that I actually live here and think that's as stupid as you think it is. And you and I don't often see eye to eye.

 

Between this guy and Leland Yee, who wants to have government buildings organized to be conductive to feng shui.. Sheesh. Thank god the new Mayor is not a nut, if nothing else.

I was wondering. Here in the South, we feel that San Fran is just insanely out there, so my ability to actually determine almost mainstream thought in that area from complete kook-ville.

-=Mike

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Gerardo Sandoval, SF County Supervisor, is on "Hannity and Colmes" and is claiming that the phrase "illegal aliens" is just as bad a slur as the "N" word.

 

OK, I don't claim to know exactly how whacked out San Fran is --- but, um, is this kind of lunacy COMMON? Is this a REAL extreme example?

-=Mike

I watched that segment too. Did you have the same urge to slap the hell out of that guy?

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

In a way he's right.

 

The word nigger stopped offending people long ago, and is more of a term that all races alike use to acknowledge each other good-naturedly. It's not meant to be taken offensively these days. Of course, there are certain times when it CAN be offensive, but that's not in the majority these days. Then again, I'm sure Illegal alien can be used offensively at some point as well, I just can't figure out how.

[Styles 0]

I agree totally, they should be reffered to as "Not yet documented American friends you just haven't met yets" or Nydafyjhmy's......

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I agree totally, they should be reffered to as "Not yet documented American friends you just haven't met yets" or Nydafyjhmy's......

Careful, Rant might mistake you for a hippie.

[2GOLD 0]

I'm pretty sure the "n" word is still very much out of the league. I know I'll never use it, as a white person I know better.

 

It may be a word of friendship to SOME, but not many black people see it as a friendly word and I doubt they ever will. Can't blame them either.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

I'm pretty sure the "n" word is still very much out of the league. I know I'll never use it, as a white person I know better.

 

It may be a word of friendship to SOME, but not many black people see it as a friendly word and I doubt they ever will. Can't blame them either.

Maybe it's because I'm a teenager, but the majority of people my age don't take the word as seriously as others because it doesn't have the same meaning. Times have changed.

[ant_7000 0]

I'm pretty sure the "n" word is still very much out of the league. I know I'll never use it, as a white person I know better.

 

It may be a word of friendship to SOME, but not many black people see it as a friendly word and I doubt they ever will. Can't blame them either.

Maybe it's because I'm a teenager, but the majority of people my age don't take the word as seriously as others because it doesn't have the same meaning. Times have changed.

I personally don't like whites say nigga/nigger to me, I let them know right off thats a no no because to me its still derogatory and I don't have time to anaylize if they meant it in a endearment way or not. Some blacks are cool with it, thats fine, but don't assume everyone's is cool with the word.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

This is par for the course in SF.  This is the county that finished voting like this in 2002 Governor Election:

 

1. Gray Davis - Democrat

2. Peter Camejo - Green(!)

3. Bill Simon - Republican

I know what you're saying about SF, but it would have kind of helped if Simon wasn't so completely idiotic at running a campaign.

 

 

I mean, he accused Davis of breaking the law half-way through the campaign and it turned out it was a lie. That's a pretty serious charge and it doesn't sit well with voters.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I was wondering. Here in the South, we feel that San Fran is just insanely out there, so my ability to actually determine almost mainstream thought in that area from complete kook-ville.

      -=Mike

San Fran really IS that completely out there, although the new Mayor is the guy that drafted the original "care not cash" plan to stop giving money to homeless people (only food/shelter/etc.) If you remember my previous rants on the subject, it got approved by voters but then a Superior judge stepped in and ruled it illegal. So, that's to the bleeding heart Supe, we're still giving a hell of a lot more money to homeless than any other city around, and it's drawing in even more homeless.

 

So, I like to think that if given several years, Gavin Newsom could clean up San Fran, though not as drastically as Rudy changed NY. SF just has too many forces of political nature working against anyone who tries to get anything done, but it's nice to have a new Mayor who isn't sitting around putting his favorite crooks in various office positions.

 

As for SF's voting record, well..... The runoff election for Mayor was between a Green (Matt Gonzalez, a decent guy who's politics I do not care for) and a Democrat (Newsom.) No conservatives made it to the runoff. But the city is the home of the 60s peace movement and also considered a gay mecca. What the hell did you expect?

 

 

 

If I had one complaint, though, it's that the kookyness of SF winds up reflecting on all of California. Outside of SF, California is really not that bad. But once you enter the city limits, you find this really weird world where politicians are seriously considering growing city-owned marijuana farms and paying homeless people to look after it.

[Guest Olympic Slam]

This is par for the course in SF.  This is the county that finished voting like this in 2002 Governor Election:

 

1. Gray Davis - Democrat

2. Peter Camejo - Green(!)

3. Bill Simon - Republican

I know what you're saying about SF, but it would have kind of helped if Simon wasn't so completely idiotic at running a campaign.

 

 

I mean, he accused Davis of breaking the law half-way through the campaign and it turned out it was a lie. That's a pretty serious charge and it doesn't sit well with voters.

Simon was a titanic moron. But still, Peter "The Watermellon" Camejo? That says everything about SF.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Simon was a titanic moron.  But still, Peter "The Watermellon" Camejo?  That says everything about SF.

I think everyone who voted for Camejo in that race who wasn't registered Green was pretty sure that he wasn't going to win.

 

A lot of Democrats did not like Davis. A *LOT*. So much so that, afraid Democrats would simply not come out to support Davis in the recall, Cruz broke ranks and entered with his "No on Recall, Yes on Cruz, Okey Dokey on the Hokey Pokey" campaign.

 

My guess is that the Camejo record is based more on the large number of registered Greens compared to many other cities, as well as Democrats who hated Davis but couldn't vote for a pro-life Republican.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

I'm pretty sure the "n" word is still very much out of the league. I know I'll never use it, as a white person I know better.

 

It may be a word of friendship to SOME, but not many black people see it as a friendly word and I doubt they ever will. Can't blame them either.

Maybe it's because I'm a teenager, but the majority of people my age don't take the word as seriously as others because it doesn't have the same meaning. Times have changed.

I personally don't like whites say nigga/nigger to me, I let them know right off thats a no no because to me its still derogatory and I don't have time to anaylize if they meant it in a endearment way or not. Some blacks are cool with it, thats fine, but don't assume everyone's is cool with the word.

Two things:

 

- How old are you?

 

- I said, the "majority". Obviously, not everyone is okay with it, and I also pointed out the majoriy my age. I'm sure that it's different for people that are older than me, as it would've been for people older than them, etc.

[Guest jpclemmons]

Two things:

 

- How old are you?

 

- I said, the "majority". Obviously, not everyone is okay with it, and I also pointed out the majoriy my age. I'm sure that it's different for people that are older than me, as it would've been for people older than them, etc.

What majority are you talking about??? It's a double standard issue for us(being black), when a whitey calls one of us the n-word. Most of us would be offended.

[ant_7000 0]

I'm pretty sure the "n" word is still very much out of the league. I know I'll never use it, as a white person I know better.

 

It may be a word of friendship to SOME, but not many black people see it as a friendly word and I doubt they ever will. Can't blame them either.

Maybe it's because I'm a teenager, but the majority of people my age don't take the word as seriously as others because it doesn't have the same meaning. Times have changed.

I personally don't like whites say nigga/nigger to me, I let them know right off thats a no no because to me its still derogatory and I don't have time to anaylize if they meant it in a endearment way or not. Some blacks are cool with it, thats fine, but don't assume everyone's is cool with the word.

Two things:

 

- How old are you?

 

- I said, the "majority". Obviously, not everyone is okay with it, and I also pointed out the majoriy my age. I'm sure that it's different for people that are older than me, as it would've been for people older than them, etc.

Im 23, I've been called a nigger/nigga and experience predjudice by whites. Thats why I feel that way about it. Hell, Im trying to erase it out of my vocab. I understand your young and all you might think it is ok. But I don't think you experienced any predjudice towards you because you wouldn't think it would be ok. I find so funny is whites get all upset because about how blacks can say nigga towards each other but they can't say it to blacks, and to me when I hear something like that, its like whites have some kind of desire to say nigga. And why would they want to say it anyway?

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

I've been called things that would count as prejudice (I'm not white, nor can I "pass for one"), but I take it in stride, since I try not to let that sort of thing affect the fact that those racists were in the minority. Slurs don't really bother me, as that's just ignorance. When something actually affects my way of life or causes disturbance, THEN I get pissed. Racial profiling my ass.

 

When I say people that use it, I'm talking about high schoolers just using it to quote a song, or to use it for your friends. I also go to a multicultural school, where there are virtually no "Canadian" white people, or WASPs. It's pretty mixed, and most white people are first generation Canadians with parents from Poland, Italy, whatever. I know of a few who might be offended, but for the most part, it's all good. Of course, slurs go all ways, we're pretty indifferent.

 

To Ant about the white people complaining about not being able to say "nigger"; I know exactly what you mean. I think it's more of an insecurity thing, as they feel deprived in a sense that they can't say something that black people are allowed to say.

[EricMM 0]

Haha yes I feel insecure because I can't say Nigger without making Ant feel bad.

 

Right.

 

Actually you do touch on a decent point.

 

It's not like it's a closely guarded secret that Black people generally don't like white people to say "the N word" (as it's usually put on this board) period. But it's become so damn common in popular culture. I mean, how can I quote my favorite episode of the Chapelle Show without saying it? Or how can I karoke along with Jay Z? Do I have to say "Jigga" and other people can say "Nigga?" That's not fair.

 

I would NOMINATE that it's all in the intent. For whatever reason, if I addressed someone as Nigger, (not that I ever have, nor can I think of any reason why I would) it would NOT be to discriminate against them. Maybe I would go "Nigga PLEASE!" If someone were being stupid. Or, if one of my black friends calls me a cracker, I will say that. But that's about it. Either way, I'm not saying it to lower them below me. I may call someone stupid, dishonest, foolish, incosiderate, obnoxious, or anything else, and by saying it, I indicate that I am BETTER than them. But I do NOT say that by saying Nigger.

 

Not that I say that.

 

But I want to quote chapelle!!

[Styles 0]

Oh boy, this is going to become one of THOSE threads...

[EricMM 0]

Yeah yeah, well it's not like it started on a completely serious note.

 

Unless Mike would rather we kept conversation focused on whether or not "Illegal Alien" is RACIST~!?

[Guest SP-1]

Ehh . . . what form of the word are you talking about? Phrases like "My nigga" and what have you are a strange slang form that's become accepted within a very limited cultural circle.

 

But if someone calls someone a "nigger"?

 

Well . . . if you hear it, get the heck out of there as fast as humanly possible. You don't want to be involved with it.

 

At least that's what it was like when I was in high school. Which was a few years ago but not that long ago.

[Guest Olympic Slam]

Good lord an "N word" thread.................anyone else having OJ trial flashbacks?