JasonX 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2004 http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003560...4050033,00.html Among topics that the drunken wifebeating no-talent hack lies about: He left the WWE in 2002 because of "health problems" instead of him being a baby and not wanting to do ANYTHING to help get Brock Lesner over when they needed him to. That there is no purposefull burial of midcard talent by scared upper-card guys who are terrified at being outed from their spots. The midcard is kept down because people like Benoit, Guerrero, and Jericho just don't have the tools to be upper card guys and that it's their fault that they are against a bunch of veterens who have Vince so wound up around their fingers that they can job said midcard guys out whenever they feel like it.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted February 2, 2004 http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003560...4050033,00.html Among topics that the drunken wifebeating no-talent hack lies about: He left the WWE in 2002 because of "health problems" instead of him being a baby and not wanting to do ANYTHING to help get Brock Lesner over when they needed him to. That there is no purposefull burial of midcard talent by scared upper-card guys who are terrified at being outed from their spots. The midcard is kept down because people like Benoit, Guerrero, and Jericho just don't have the tools to be upper card guys and that it's their fault that they are against a bunch of veterens who have Vince so wound up around their fingers that they can job said midcard guys out whenever they feel like it.... Your Sig is WAY TOO FUCKING BIG and you stretched the god damn page beyond wanting to read. And Austin is still one of my favorites. Plus, he's telling the turth that smaller guys have a harder time to get pushed to main events. Oh yeah, but when Mick Foley says it, everyone agrees. Edit: What was with the sig anyway? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2004 Why did you need to post Einstein's encyclopedia entry? Way to big. Can't you put pictures of Benoit or something? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonX 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2004 Why did you need to post Einstein's encyclopedia entry? Way to big. Can't you put pictures of Benoit or something? Something FUBARed with my sig pic (which I have now corrected) and I will be looking into it to see what the fuck happened to it to make it change from my french fries sig to the Einstein encyclopedia pic.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ray Report post Posted February 2, 2004 That "no talent hack" you refer to was one of the best wrestlers the WWF ever saw. And he was RIGHT to not want to job to Lesnar in a meaningless TV match with no build. You don't blow a money match like that. It's pure idiocy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted February 2, 2004 That "no talent hack" you refer to was one of the best wrestlers the WWF ever saw. And he was RIGHT to not want to job to Lesnar in a meaningless TV match with no build. You don't blow a money match like that. It's pure idiocy. For the first time n maybe a few months I agree with Ray on something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wrestlingbs Report post Posted February 2, 2004 How DARE you insult Austin! He's a great wrestler, a talented entertainer, and the main reason the WWF resurged in popularity! Just because he beat his wife and then conspired against other wrestlers when they made him look bad doesn't mean he should be criticised! ... Oh wait, yes it does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ray Report post Posted February 2, 2004 I guess some lack the brains and/or maturity to separate the man's wrestling career from his personal flaws... He was a great wrestler. To call him a no-talent hack, when he obviously was very talented, is ridiculous. Quit your bitching, Austin haters. He ruled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2004 That there is no purposefull burial of midcard talent by scared upper-card guys who are terrified at being outed from their spots. The midcard is kept down because people like Benoit, Guerrero, and Jericho just don't have the tools to be upper card guys and that it's their fault that they are against a bunch of veterens who have Vince so wound up around their fingers that they can job said midcard guys out whenever they feel like it.... Chris Benoit is a phenomenal worker and I think he's due for a heavy push this year, and if not then the WWE have really missed the boat. Eddie Guerrero is another one of my favourites and I remember going to Japan with both of them, when I was in WCW, and watching them absolutely terrorise the place. I don't like Austin at all, never really have, but come on now. If you're going to spazz out, spazz over things that he actually said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enigma 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2004 Wow, someone's just a tad bit biased. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted February 2, 2004 see there...as long as Austin the dancing bear comes on TV and entertains his masses, they don't care who he beats up in his private life... thats the type of marks he has.... We love you stone cold even if you got blood on your hands! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack_Bauer 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2004 What's the point in being a smartass about it trivia ? What business is if of ours what he has done ? He was a great worker and no matter what he has done in the past, he was STILL one of the best, whether you wanna whine about it or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted February 2, 2004 What's the point in being a smartass about it trivia ? What business is if of ours what he has done ? He was a great worker and no matter what he has done in the past, he was STILL one of the best, whether you wanna whine about it or not. thats rather selective..... what we consider our business or not. And he is the best at what Now? driving around? some mic work? ooooo impressive he was a decent enough wrestler a year, two years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack_Bauer 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2004 People still like him, so he should be there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Use Your Illusion 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2004 http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003560...4050033,00.html Among topics that the drunken wifebeating no-talent hack lies about: He left the WWE in 2002 because of "health problems" instead of him being a baby and not wanting to do ANYTHING to help get Brock Lesner over when they needed him to. Well if you're going to bash Austin, at least have your facts right. Austin had *no* problem jobbing to Lesnar, he did, however, have a problem jobbing to Lesnar on a throw-away, unadvertised RAW match. Austin wanted a big build-up to a PPV match between him and Lesnar, where he would gladly put him over clean. Austin's never had any beef with Lesnar or working with him, it was the management that pissed him off. UYI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ray Report post Posted February 2, 2004 see there...as long as Austin the dancing bear comes on TV and entertains his masses, they don't care who he beats up in his private life... thats the type of marks he has.... We love you stone cold even if you got blood on your hands! ^ Perfect example of a dumbass who can't separate his career from his personal life. If Michael Jordan raped a cheerleader, would people stop calling him one of the best basketball players ever? Obviously not. Grow up, tool. Austin was a great wrestler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest KidKrash Report post Posted February 2, 2004 Hopefully these same rules apply to Scott Hall as well... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted February 2, 2004 Jeez...we don't even know why Austin hit her (or indeed, if he really did). But, let's not let that sort of thing get in the way of bashing someone, eh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Besus Report post Posted February 2, 2004 anyonelse noticed he said the same thing,when he wanted [insert Wrestler] to provoke him? "Come on and hit me" "Give me ya best shot" "Hit me you stupid son of a bitch" "I don't got all day" "Are you scared"? "You got your stupid clothes on" He cut the same promo for weeks and weeks. Stone Cold was great. He was one of my favorites for 5 years. I don't like the present Stone Cold. Who will Stone Cold stun next? Will he interfer in a match? How many minutes will Stone Cold drink beer with Goldberg this time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest KidKrash Report post Posted February 2, 2004 Right now I don't know what I'm doing at WrestleMania XX, I'm not going to be wrestling in a match but I could well be involved in one. I would like to do a streetfight type match with Vince but I think WrestleMania is going to come too fast for us to do anything. This makes me believe that he honestly did want to put over Brock Lesnar. He wants his last match to be against the promoter if he has one, not against someone who could actually carry him so that he could give them the rub. I'm usually not as anal as others when it comes to "the rub" because Bret Hart put Austin over by beating him but if this Austin's last match ever (definitely not last appearance by a long shot) then he should be jobbing. Jobbing to who, I don't know. The only person I can think of that would benefit, needs something for Mania, and has recent history with him is Jericho. However, I have to give him credit that he wants the program to have lots of build going into Mania which is smart. The downfall comes when he suggests the program be with Vince. Whether that's riding around in a four-wheeler, mixing stuff up with the guys, making matches or drinking beer it's an entertainment vehicle throughout the show. It also helps to tie storylines together and I think my promos can help people with their angles. ...or crashing into the ring and crashing into the entryway while following Teddy Long who's moving a little faster than a walking pace. His promos have sucked as of late and they've only served to put people down or to glorify himself. I guess that's what he considers helping. The only promo I've enjoyed of his is where he was damn near speechless after HHH owned him. If someone gives me a story I can improve it – if they give me a steak and I can throw salt and pepper on it! I don't know what his ideas have been but I can only remember the storyline with Jeff Jarrett he turned down. And Triple H, in 2000 when he was a bit lighter, was really something in the ring. I'm sure he thinks the same except that he knows he can still work. He adapted to the pro style faster than anyone I've ever seen in my lifeAustin sure does speak the truth here. I've never seen anyone go from legit to picking up the WWE style that Austin modeled so quickly. Angle sure has adapted to the repetitive signature move and finisher ensemble quite nicely. The absolute worst Stunner taker in the world is Vince McMahon, it's absolutely horrible. He kills me and lays all over the top of me. You never know which way he is going to go and, to be polite, he's not really that co-ordinated. Ohhhhh, now I can see why you want your last match to be with Vince if you have one.....?! If Hogan came back he'd still be hot, although whether he'd be a big draw or not remains to be seen.It's been seen. Hogan is hugely over but can't draw as much as he used to. I must say that I do feel bad for him a lot though. The guy that fucked up his neck bad which is the reason he can't wrestle anymore died. He died from a mistake too. Thus he always has to walk on eggshells when he talks about his injury and any bitterness he might have towards Owen. I must say I have to change my opinion on fuckups being alright when you haven't done them your whole career when it's this serious. The reason I walked out was because I was having health problems I didn't want to tell the office about. On top of that I thought they were really cr***ing on me. The storylines they were giving me were not worthy of the biggest draw in the history of the business. I'm not sitting here bragging, those are facts, you can go and ask Vince McMahon and he'll tell you damn near the same thing. Will he admit he was cr***ing on me? No, he probably won't say that, but they were. So I was sitting there getting this garbage and then suddenly I've also got all these health problems on my mind. I could have handled it better than I did, but I react very quickly and I did what I did. I admit that when you're proven to be huge you shouldn't be given crap (Bret in WCW, UT from about 1993-1997) and that 2002 was a horrid year but he could have done his sheriff bullshit then. so I thought if I'm going to have a final match I want to go out at WrestleMania with The Rock. Yeah he definitely wanted to put over Lesnar. Either you have the ability to make it to the top or you don't. This business is first come first served, whoever can get over has a chance to get over using the tools and the time that they give you That's obviously bull as RVD was one of the hottest people in 02 along with Edge but they pushed Brock Lesnar who hasn't produced crap the whole time and even through 03. John Cena and Eddy got hot and we all know where it's gone. John Cena doesn't have a scheduled match and Eddy's only now seemingly going to get a shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted February 2, 2004 This makes me believe that he honestly did want to put over Brock Lesnar. He wants his last match to be against the promoter if he has one, not against someone who could actually carry him so that he could give them the rub. He didn't say he really "wanted" to do anything. Austin would do a street fight because then he would only have to punch/kick/stunner. In a wrestling match Austin would need to take bumps etc. and he has a fucked neck. Wrestling someone like Lesnar is not an issue, because he can't do it. I don't know what his ideas have been but I can only remember the storyline with Jeff Jarrett he turned down. And thank god he did that. I'm sure he thinks the same except that he knows he can still work. Ohhhhh, now I can see why you want your last match to be with Vince if you have one.....?! Where did it say "At Mania, I really, really, really want to fight Vince"? It's not as if there is any real choice. He can't wrestle. WWE want him on the show. So, he brawls with Vince for a bit. Him saying "I'd like to do something with Vince" isn't the same as "I really, really must have my last match with Vince". If he could, he would probably want to have a wrestling match, with a wrestler. Yeah he definitely wanted to put over Lesnar. Yes, because if Austin had come back and demanded a match with Lesnar (thus screwing the planned-for-six-months Angle-Lesnar main event) everyone would have been so pleased. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Austin3164life 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2004 That "no talent hack" you refer to was one of the best wrestlers the WWF ever saw. And he was RIGHT to not want to job to Lesnar in a meaningless TV match with no build. You don't blow a money match like that. It's pure idiocy. I agree completely. I said this when it first happened, and when everyone was like "FUCK AUSTIN~!" and yet they also were like "BROCK HAS NO HEAT~!". It would've been rediculous for Austin to job to Lesnar in an impromptu match-up with absolutely no build-up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest KidKrash Report post Posted February 2, 2004 He didn't say he really "wanted" to do anything. Austin would do a street fight because then he would only have to punch/kick/stunner. In a wrestling match Austin would need to take bumps etc. and he has a fucked neck. Wrestling someone like Lesnar is not an issue, because he can't do it. I would like to do a streetfight type match with Vince So YOU are telling AUSTIN that he doesn't want to have a match with Vince if he could? Who brought up fighting Lesnar? And thank god he did that. Yeah because it wasn't like Jarrett and Debra were over or anything or that UT/Austin had been feuding for 3 or 4 months. Where did it say "At Mania, I really, really, really want to fight Vince"? It's not as if there is any real choice. He can't wrestle. WWE want him on the show. So, he brawls with Vince for a bit. Him saying "I'd like to do something with Vince" isn't the same as "I really, really must have my last match with Vince". If he could, he would probably want to have a wrestling match, with a wrestler. He never said he really really really wants to fight Vince. I never said he really really really wants to fight Vince. Oh wait, you did. I know that he can't wrestle. He knows he can't. However he DID say if he could have a match it would be with Vince and he said that if 19 was his last he wanted it to be with The Rock which leads to him not wanting to put anyone over that's not at his level. Again, I never said that he really really really wants to have a match with Vince. You did. Yes, because if Austin had come back and demanded a match with Lesnar (thus screwing the planned-for-six-months Angle-Lesnar main event) everyone would have been so pleased. Might have actually drawn and gotten some ratings. Everyone knows Angle/Lesnar blew. It was a really well booked feud too. Brock owns all of Team Angle every week. Next time quote what Austin and I say, don't assume or make your own quotes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted February 2, 2004 This is the kind of fair and balanced topics that the Net has come to expect from this folder. Austin didn't want to hotshot THE potential moneymatch the WWE was byuilding to, he was upset about being stuck in the midcard with guys like Eddie and Benoit who really should've been built up before going after Austin as NO ONE saw them on his level, his neck was deteriorating, and he didn't want to put up with the BS the WWE was swimming in at that point. Can't blame him for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haVoc 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2004 Either you have the ability to make it to the top or you don't. This business is first come first served, whoever can get over has a chance to get over using the tools and the time that they give you That's obviously bull as RVD was one of the hottest people in 02 along with Edge but they pushed Brock Lesnar who hasn't produced crap the whole time and even through 03. John Cena and Eddy got hot and we all know where it's gone. John Cena doesn't have a scheduled match and Eddy's only now seemingly going to get a shot. What do you mean Brock hasn't produced crap? The business isn't as bad as you drama queens make it out to be and Brock Lesnar has been consistant as Champion. The reason I walked out was because I was having health problems I didn't want to tell the office about. On top of that I thought they were really cr***ing on me. The storylines they were giving me were not worthy of the biggest draw in the history of the business. I'm not sitting here bragging, those are facts, you can go and ask Vince McMahon and he'll tell you damn near the same thing. Will he admit he was cr***ing on me? No, he probably won't say that, but they were. So I was sitting there getting this garbage and then suddenly I've also got all these health problems on my mind. I could have handled it better than I did, but I react very quickly and I did what I did. I admit that when you're proven to be huge you shouldn't be given crap (Bret in WCW, UT from about 1993-1997) and that 2002 was a horrid year but he could have done his sheriff bullshit then. You use Bret & Taker, but then say Brock isn't a draw? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jester 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2004 If one of Austin's reasons for leaving is that they just wanted to give away Lesnar/Austin for free, he's right, that is completely stupid. As in, WCW level stupid. But what pisses me off is now this match is not going to happen at all. Austin can't wrestle, so he has no rub to give. Hell, he won't even job during his promos and let someone else look good next to him. One day the same will happen to Taker and HHH. They'll be so cripplied that they'll have a new excuse not to job. This promotion has got to start showing young blood beating old blood. Cleanly. Consistently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted February 2, 2004 This is the kind of fair and balanced topics that the Net has come to expect from this folder. Austin didn't want to hotshot THE potential moneymatch the WWE was byuilding to, he was upset about being stuck in the midcard with guys like Eddie and Benoit who really should've been built up before going after Austin as NO ONE saw them on his level, his neck was deteriorating, and he didn't want to put up with the BS the WWE was swimming in at that point. Can't blame him for that. Austin asked to work with Eddie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted February 2, 2004 Jeez...we don't even know why Austin hit her (or indeed, if he really did). But, let's not let that sort of thing get in the way of bashing someone, eh? I thought it was pretty much fact that Austin hit her. Didn't it happen more than one time too? Maybe Debra just hits herself for the fun of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted February 2, 2004 She said it happened more than once. He didn't. He has been married before (twice?) and has never had such a problem. Seems odd he would just start randomly beating his third wife for no reason at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted February 2, 2004 what i'll give Austin is that he was.. a decent wrestler and he is STILL and probably always will be a great entertainer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites