Chris Benoit unhappy about jumping to Raw

[Use Your Illusion 0]

Bullshit.

Amen

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Is Benoit at any risk of jumping to TNA or somewhere else? I can't see Vince doing a Montreal finish unless that is the reason.

Regardless of whether it was right or wrong, Vince could not risk having his world title appear on Nitro and was probably worried about a repeat of the Alundra Blaze fiasco (tossing the title in the trash). I'm not saying Bret would have done such a thing, but if an angle like that had appeared on Nitro, the results for Vince would have been devastating.

Let me clear this up because I see this brought up a lot. It was IMPOSSABLE !!!!!!!! for Bret to show up on Nitro with the belt. This is just an excuse used by the WWE to make them not look as bad and have people side with them.

Question: What kind of fucking loser, refuses to lose an obviously worked title, to a guy he doesn't like, just because he's in his home... country?

 

HHH had better excuses for going over at Booker at WM XIX then that shit.

[Guest Choken One]

A guy that brought into his own hype...

 

A guy that honestly believed in the whole COncept of "heroes"

 

A guy that lost his touch with reality.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Trust me on this.

Give me a reason to (You know, like some actual PROOF and not just ramblings about what some people may or may not have said about 6 years ago), and I'll consider it.

[Kardo 0]

This guy was actually right several times in the past with reporting this stuff before even the observer got to it. "ie. Eddie vs. Brock" and people scoffed at him back then.

[Guest wildpegasus]

Trust me on this.

Give me a reason to (You know, like some actual PROOF and not just ramblings about what some people may or may not have said about 6 years ago), and I'll consider it.

My memory sucks. Meltzer, I believe was talking about it during the last 6 months on either the LAW or the Wrestling Observer radio show.

[Guest wildpegasus]

Question: What kind of fucking loser, refuses to lose an obviously worked title, to a guy he doesn't like, just because he's in his home... country?

It's been reported HHH has refused losing to Booker and RVD. It's obvious by his track record that he's refused to job to others too. Why? Because he didn't like them.

 

Your question is clearly worked to create cheep heel heat by simplifing things. It's more complicated that that.

[Guest Deviant]

So for those of us with a memory that sucks, start listing the predictions that this guy got right.

 

1) Eddie vs Lesnar at NWO.

[Kardo 0]

"He told me that Vince McMahon was rather upset that NWO 2002 can't be held in Edmonton because the plan was for Benoit finally getting the WWE Title in his hometown. Now the plan is for Guerrero taking on Lesnar at this PPV"

 

From December 12, 2003

[Guest netslob]

Question: What kind of fucking loser, refuses to lose an obviously worked title, to a guy he doesn't like, just because he's in his home... country?

Answer: a kind of fucking loser who takes himself WAAAY too seriously.

[Guest wildpegasus]

"He told me that Vince McMahon was rather upset that NWO 2002 can't be held in Edmonton because the plan was for Benoit finally getting the WWE Title in his hometown. Now the plan is for Guerrero taking on Lesnar at this PPV"

 

From December 12, 2003

Didn't post it on the board but redshad2974 told me that Backlash was going to be in Edmonton before the word got out anywhere.

 

The quoted material about NWO being in Edmonton and Vince being upset was later reported in the Observer.

 

He was right about the NWO main event being swithced to Eddie vs Lesnar.

 

 

 

Speaking of rumors: Are there any new updates on wether it's going to be Benoit vs HHH or Benoit vs HHH vs Michaels at Mania?

[Guest Deviant]

So technically this one and only rumour from extra secret source is still wrong if Benoit wins the title at Mania like he is expected to?

 

Is that the only thing he's predicted correctly?

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Hey Reshad, could you find out for me where Judgment Day is going to be held this year? Depending on the location, I might go to it.

[Guest wildpegasus]

Question: What kind of fucking loser, refuses to lose an obviously worked title, to a guy he doesn't like, just because he's in his home... country?

Answer: a kind of fucking loser who takes himself WAAAY too seriously.

You guys don't understand. Bret was thought of very fondly in Canada. Canada hated Michaels. Bret was a hero to many people. There will probably never be another feud such as Michaels vs Bret that stirred up real emotions inside people. Bret's not like the Rock, Austin or other big stars. His fans are more passionate (somewhat similar to Foley, or someone like Kobashi) and cheer for him because they believe in him. He was there forever in the WWF. Rock and Austin get a lot of their cheers from just being cool. They don't have the same passionate following Bret has/had in Canada. Canada's a closer knit country that percentage wise watches wrestling a LOT more than the States so Bret's fans are also more concentrated. Bret knew this and decided to job (Remember, Michaels wouldn't even job to him initially) anywhere but Canada. I know people (Myself included) that had their heart sink down to their stomachs when they heard that Bret lost. Especially to the sharpshooter. When I actually found out what happened I was proud of Bret. He did the right thing. I respect his dedication to what he believed in as he stood up to the face of adversity. That's true hero stuff right there. Not everyone can do that.

[Guest Deviant]

Not that I want to get involved in a screwjob discussion as I, being Australian, stopped caring about it in December 1997... but even with your full description, Bret's refusal to job still sounds stupid.

 

There were a billion ways to book around it, but Bret didn't want to lose in his home COUNTRY. I don't care how 'close knit' Canada is, that's still ridiculous.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Bret still had to work for WCW and WCW would probably hope to open up the Canadian market using him. Losing to Michaels in Canada especially after a hot angle like the USA/Can was, wouldn't kill him up north, but it certainly wouldn't help. So even if you look past the personal reasons for doing it, the professional ones still have validity.

[Guest Deviant]

And WWF wanting future WCW angles to succeed makes sense why?

 

Note: Must answer without reference to the death of consistently good shows since WCW's demise and only from a WWF vs WCW still going strong perspective, considering it was 1997 and hindsight only works after the event.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

This isn't about the WWE, this is about the supposed "fucking loser" who didn't want to job the title in Canada.

[Guest Brian]

It's more of Bret exercising the option in his contract. He was protecting his own interests, his name value and his marketability in Canada.

[Guest wildpegasus]

I talked to my "insider source" once again. You all know who he is by now.

I do know that a lot of people don't believe me even though I was right on many occasion but some does. So for them, here is some information regarding Chris Benoit :

 

- he was rather unhappy about moving to Raw because he'd rather face Lesnar at WM XX with whom he is sure to have a great match. He thinks that his jump to Raw came out of nowhere from a storyline standpoint. The good point is that he can wrestle guys he has never wrestled before and travel with his good buddy Chris Jericho.

 

- he doesn't want HBK to be part of his match against Triple H because he thinks it's his time to be in a high-profile programm and doesn't want anyone to overshadow him. However, he would like wrestling HBK before or after WM.

 

- he'd rather loose a great wrestling match that winning a bad one so beating TripleH at WM XX is not his main concern.

 

- he has some concerns about Vince wanting to do a Montreal finish at Backlash in Edmonton. He doesn't mind loosing in his hometown as long as he is not humiliated in front of his family and friends.

 

 

 

Hey reshad2974:

 

Do you know if Benoit is being very vocal about this? When you said " he'd rather loose a great wrestling match that winning a bad one so beating TripleH at WM XX is not his main concern" does that mean he thinks the triple threat is just plain old stupid? Because HHH vs Benoit won't be a bad match at all. It sounds like Benoit might actually be looking out for himself. Well, it's about time anyway.

[Secret Agent 0]

When I read The Rock's autobiography he said the belt was handeled by WWF staff that made sure it got from show to show. However he also said the Dudleys paraded around Airports with their tag team belts, so who knows.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Bret was willing to job the title to anybody except Michaels (for obvious reasons). I believe Vince's idea to make Bret job in Montreal was his way of sending Bret to WCW as "damaged goods".

 

 

 

Anyway, back to the topic, if Benoit wins the title at WM even if its the wrong one, I'll be happy.

[Jack_Bauer 0]

I think Chris Benoit might win, but if he doesn't I won't be surprised, or even be disappointed.

 

Lets face it, there is no point getting wound up over something that we have no control over. I know that we SHOULD give a shit, but that's really only the case when we can change it. We can't. As long as I get a good match, one on one or even Triple Threat, then I don't care.

[Guest reshad974]

Hey reshad2974:

 

Do you know if Benoit is being very vocal about this? When you said " he'd rather loose a great wrestling match that winning a bad one so beating TripleH at WM XX is not his main concern" does that mean he thinks the triple threat is just plain old stupid? Because HHH vs Benoit won't be a bad match at all. It sounds like Benoit might actually be looking out for himself. Well, it's about time anyway.

I don't know if he's very vocal about it. I don't think he is.

Regarding the triple threat match, he has no concerns about the match quality. He knows it would be a great match. However, he want a one vs one high-profile programm at WM XX and according to him, there is no point in having HBK involved in this match. In fact, he doesn't understand why they decided to give him a strong Royal Rumble win if they have no confidence in his ability to main-event WM by himself.

 

Furthermore, I want to clarify this : "he doesn't want HBK to be part of his match against Triple H"

That doesn't mean that he knows HBK will be involved for sure. In fact, he has yet to be told anything about his WM match. He just assumed from the recent angles on Raw that the match might be switched to a triple threat.

Hope it helps.