what matches are overrated/underrated

[slabinskia 0]

there are some matches praised by everyone that i think are very good but a little overrated.an example for me is pilman-liger from 92.i dont see the big deal.

 

there are also matches that i think are great that dont get enough credit.one i can think of is a raw match between bret and 123 kid.great stuff imo.

 

so what matches do you think are overrated/underrated ?

[Guest]

Rey vs Psychosis from Bash at the Beach 96' is very overrated, as is the Austin vs Rock match at WM X7.

 

A few underrated matches would be HBK vs HHH from SSlam 02', Cactus Jack vs HHH from RAW at MSG in 97' is really good, Austin vs UT from Summerlam 98' and Dude Love vs Austin at Over the Edge 98' are very good.

[Guest Ray]

A few underrated matches would be HBK vs HHH from SSlam 02',

How is this underrated? Everyone and their dog slapped a ****+ rating on it.

 

I think it's one of the most OVERrated matches ever.

 

Other majorly overrated matches:

 

Michaels/Undertaker - Bad Blood 1997

Michaels/Hart - Wrestlemania 12

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

A few underrated matches would be HBK vs HHH from SSlam 02',

How is this underrated? Everyone and their dog slapped a ****+ rating on it.

 

I think it's one of the most OVERrated matches ever.

 

Other majorly overrated matches:

 

Michaels/Undertaker - Bad Blood 1997

Michaels/Hart - Wrestlemania 12

I'm shocked you didn' say an Angle match LOL

 

 

UT/Austin is over-rated I think. Austin getting knocked out mid-way into the match doesn't help, only makes it harder to work through. Plus I found it rather bleh.

 

 

Mankind/Austin from night after SSeries 96. Not many people give this match it's due because for 1996 it was a stiff brawl with them just beating the crap out of each other for 10 minutes.

[Guest Ray]

I'm shocked you didn' say an Angle match

Well, Shawn Michaels annoys me more, so...

[Insane Bump Machine 0]

HBK/HHH from Summerslam 2002 is WAY overrated. It was cool to see HBK in a match again after all that time and it was better than people expected it to be, but it doesn't hold up at all. It's nothing more than a glorified WWE hardcore match, I'd rate it **1/2.

 

And it's not like I hate on the participants, I loved their RAW match a few months ago.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

HBK/HHH from Summerslam 2002 & HBK/Diesel from Good Friends, Better Enemies are extremely overrated. But the most overrated match of all time has to be RVD/Hardy from Summerslam 2001. I've seen people give ****+ to that match, when I thought it was about * max (I actually gave -* because of the blown spots). It was an awful match. RVD matches in general tend to be really overrated.

 

HBK/Jarrett is Shawn's last truly great 'wrestling' match, but tends to be forgotten for other, inferior, stuff later on, so I will say it is underrated despite most people giving it high ratings. Malenko/Benoit at Hog Wild is underrated because too many people rate based on crowd noise rather than the actual match.

[Guest Monday Night Jericho]

Pretty much anything that Shawn Michaels is in seems to add another ** to how people rate it.

[Papacita 0]

HBK/Jarrett is Shawn's last truly great 'wrestling' match, but tends to be forgotten for other, inferior, stuff later on, so I will say it is underrated despite most people giving it high ratings.

 

That's probably my favorite HBK match. Definitely a forgotten classic.

 

As for stuff that's overrated, Austin/Taker from SummerSlam 98...Rock/Hunter didn't do much for me either.

 

I always found the original HBK/Razor ladder match underwhelming (possibly because saw it for the first time about a week before the SummerSlam rematch and saw all the big spots coming).

 

The Bret/Owen cage match from SummerSlam 94 never did much for me...and for the most part, the Angle/Brock series bored the hell outta me, yet the first two matches seemed to get a lot of praise on the board.

[Austin3164life 0]

Overrated:

Any of the Brock/Angle matches (except for XIX)

Michaels/Bret (WM XII)

HBK/Undertaker (HIAC)

Rock/Triple H (Summerslam 98)

Triple H/Michaels (Summerslam 02)

 

Underrated:

Austin/Owen (Summerslam97, looked at for the botched finish)

Cena/Benoit (12-4-03, Brock/Benoit overshadows)

Triple H/Booker T (XIX)

Austin/Rock (XIX)

[deancoles 0]

All these matches are Underrated.

 

Doug Furnas/Phil Lafon vs Owen Hart/British Bulldog, Final Four 97

Quebecers vs The Harts, Royal Rumble 94

The opening Match at Survivor Series 91

D'Lo Brown vs Val Venis, Summerslam 98

Ultimate Warrior vs Randy Savage, Summerslam 92

[Guest]

A few underrated matches would be HBK vs HHH from SSlam 02'

I actually meant to put overrated and hadn't been to this thread since I posted it so.....

[Toshiaki Koala 0]

Overrated:

 

Michaels vs. Razor, WMX

Mutoh vs. Takada (T. Dome show, not sure about the date)

 

Underrated:

 

Scott Taylor vs. Dean Malenko, Backlash 2000

Ultimate Warrior vs. Randy Savage, WMVII (?)

Michael vs. Razor SummerSlam rematch

Vader vs. Inoki from the same show as Mutoh-Takada

 

Edit: Can't forget Angle-Shane from KOTR 2002. Highly, highly underrated (if sloppy)

[CanadianChick 0]

One match that I particularly liked was the Scotty II Hotty vs. Dean Malenko match from Backlash 2000. I rarely see praise for it, and it was just awesome. Very underrated.

[Papacita 0]

Edit: Can't forget Angle-Shane from KOTR 2002. Highly, highly underrated (if sloppy)

 

I wouldn't say that was underrated. Most people look at that as THE MATCH at KOTR 01.

[Tawren 0]

The WMX duo both are overrated. ***1/2 tops.

 

I do not get the praise for Steamboat/Savage at WM3. Such a bland match, with one of my least favorite endings. Not even ***.

 

Austin/Angle at SummerSlam 01 is an OK brawl, not on par with Austin's 98 stuff. I've seen people call it ****1/2...no.

[JHawk 0]

I'm surprised nobody's used the Undertaker-Mankind Hell in a Cell Match for either category yet. Marks overrate it by calling it one of the greatest matches ever because of the two big spots. Smarks underrate it because the match was sloppy after the two big spots.

 

Given how many times I've seen the match the past six years, I'd go about middle of the road and give it about **.

[Papacita 0]

How about the Rey Mysterio/Tajiri series from last year for underrated? Those matches (not including the No Mercy one) were some of my favorites for the year, but they (like most Smackdown stuff) really seemed to get lost in the shuffle and forgotten quickly.

[Guest Askewniverse]

Underrated:

 

Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels (Survivor Series '92)

Owen Hart vs. The 1-2-3 Kid (King of the Ring '94)

Bret Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith (In Your House, December 1995)

Diamond Dallas Page vs. Chris Benoit (SuperBrawl VIII)

Chris Jericho vs. Raven (Halloween Havoc '98)

Lance Storm vs. Edge (SummerSlam 2001)

[Guest]

The WMX duo both are overrated. ***1/2 tops.

 

I do not get the praise for Steamboat/Savage at WM3. Such a bland match, with one of my least favorite endings. Not even ***.

One thing.....ARE YOU CRAZY????

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

The WMX duo both are overrated. ***1/2 tops.

 

I do not get the praise for Steamboat/Savage at WM3. Such a bland match, with one of my least favorite endings. Not even ***.

One thing.....ARE YOU CRAZY????

I say we tie the bastard up and get Damaramu to put some sense in him.

 

 

Back on the Over-Rated road:

 

HBK/Jarrett IYH 2: Sorry, I just don't see how this is "one of the greatest matches of Shawns career" lots of stalling and rest holds sandwiched with a few spots. Not a match that aged well with me.

 

Bret Hart/Diesel from RR 95: They had a MUCH better match at SSeries, and all the run ins automatically make it *** or less to me.

 

Angle/Brock Iron Man: Soooooooo fucking boring. Maybe *1/2 for the last 20 minutes.

 

 

And Under-Rated:

Undertaker/Kane: I know I'll get kicked in the head for this, but the feud was booked very well, and the match had a nice flow of Undertaker pulling everything he could to beat Kane, Kane shrugging him off most of the time, and taking three tombstone piledrivers to end it (barely). Even Hogan only kicked out of just 1.

[Guest Ray]

HBK/Jarrett IYH 2: Sorry, I just don't see how this is "one of the greatest matches of Shawns career" lots of stalling and rest holds sandwiched with a few spots. Not a match that aged well with me.

THANK GOD FOR THIS POST.

 

The WMX duo both are overrated. ***1/2 tops

I might agree on the ladder match, but why do you think Bret/Owen is overrated?

[Use Your Illusion 0]

Ick.

 

HBK > This thread

[Guest Besus]

O:

 

HHH/HBK(Raw,December 2003)

 

-I liked the match,I don't see it as an Raw MOTY,WWE MOTY and *****.

 

Some of Hunter's Summerslam 2002 work is in this match. He works on Shawn's back using standing elbow drops,he dazes Shawn with punches,and he works on Shawn's back/spine again using a spinebuster. He works on Shawn's back again,well try by going for a suplex but is countered from Shawn.

 

Add same rest holds to the match,ugly bump,and stalling.

 

Shawn works Hunter's kneck using headlocks and chops. 2 high spots which was arm drag.

 

That's perfect. Good match but wasn't the best of the year and wasn't *****.(Some people at PW gave it *****)

 

 

Brock/Kurt(SD,September 2003)

 

No ***** and No Best SD Match Ever.

 

Alot of suplexes and sloppiness.

 

Around 5 minutes of brawling,20 minutes of rest holds,20 minutes of same moves(Suplexes,Finisher,Bellies) and 15 minutes of counters.

 

They was repeating the same spots.

The match was boring. It sucked.

 

Mankind/Taker(KOTR,98)

 

Boring after the 2 "HOLY SHIT"! spots.

 

Taker should have worked on Foley's back and not just the neck after the spots.

 

Foley was basically squashed. Minutes of "Punch-Stomp-Finger Thrusts" and counters.

 

The match wasn't that long I think,should have been longer with Taker working on Foley's back.

 

The bumps was too early also.That's why Foley got little offense.

 

HHH/Flair(Raw,May 2003)

 

Good but didn't need to get praised everyweek like it was the best match ever.

 

HHH/RVD(Raw,May or June 2003)

 

RVD botch moves ,HHH only offense is punching,RVD does sloppy kicks,and The match was sloppy period.It was a kick and punch match featuring sloppiness and brawling.

 

Long bad match,It sucked.

 

U:

 

Taker/A-Train(SD,Jan 2003)

 

I enjoyed both men work. From Taker's power to A-Train's strength.

[Coffin Surfer 0]

Over...praised.

 

Flair vs. Steamboat Wrestlwar 89

-All the repeated spots never give you the feeling that the match is progressing. Flair just keeps walking in the same moves over and over again, and I'm not just talking about arm drags. Off the top of my head, they repeat the Backbody Drop spot, and the 10 count corner chop spot, both resulting in the same thing....the match going nowhere.

 

Chi-Town and Clash were both much better than this. Even Vader/Sting had better matches not to long after, yet this match is still praised as the greatest of all time in some circles.

 

 

Flair vs. Funk I Quit

 

Yawn. Flair chops Funk around, Funk comes back and hits a couple of Piledrivers, including one on the concrete, which doesn't seem to effect Flair's badly injured, hanging by a thread neck as much as it makes him a little drowsy. Of course, Flair chops his way back into the match in no time, and takes it home in anti-climatic fashion.

 

Funk to his credit tried to make this match work, he toned down his goofiness(slightly), and kept the match moving with bails and staggering. But on this night, Flair couldn't be bothered to work a smart interesting brawl, why do that when you can chop somebody really hard to pop the crowd.

 

The fact that some people claim this is better than the Bash match, and an all time classic, makes me want to puke. As far as U.S. brawls go, the NWA has had better, and even the late 90s WWF produced better brawls. This is barely a *** match if that.

[slabinskia 0]

flair/steamboat from wrestlewar is overrated imo.great match:yes.5 star match:maybe.best match of all time:no way.i agree with whoever said the clash match was better.i think the clash match should be in the running as best ever and not wrestlewar.

 

flair/funk i quit.-i agree with the points that were made about this match also.i think its overrated and overhyped.4 stars imo but definately not 5.i also like the gab match more.

 

underrated

sting/vader gab92.i love this match and it gets little praise.this got vader over in wcw.

hbk/sid survivor series96.i liked it.i know im prabably the only one but its the only watchable singles match involving sid and i think its about 4 stars.

 

flair/steamboat-both of there 94 matches are awesome and they get no credit.they may not be the best matches of all time but how could they.i still rate spring stampede at 4 1/2 and the wcwsn match at 4 3/4.

[Tawren 0]

The WMX duo both are overrated. ***1/2 tops

I might agree on the ladder match, but why do you think Bret/Owen is overrated?

I didn't see it live, and when I finally got it on tape, I'd heard all the ***** praise for a few years. "One of the best matches ever", "you owe it to yourself to see this 80000000 times", etc. And I just don't see it. It's a great match, worth seeing, but there are so many times where they just turn to brawling or trade moves for no reason. Owen works the knee, OK but the ending was a roll-up. The knee didn't factor into Bret/Yoko either. It just isn't as great as people say. I love their SS94 cage match, though.

[CanadianChick 0]

EDIT: Ugh, never mind

[Guest Ray]

I didn't see it live, and when I finally got it on tape, I'd heard all the ***** praise for a few years. "One of the best matches ever", "you owe it to yourself to see this 80000000 times", etc. And I just don't see it.

Advice: don't listen to WWF marks or Scott Keith.

 

I'd agree that it is NOT ***** or one of the best ever.

 

It's a great match, worth seeing, but there are so many times where they just turn to brawling or trade moves for no reason.

I'm pretty sure most of what they did had meaning. I haven't watched it in a while so I won' go into move-by-move analysis...

 

Owen works the knee, OK but the ending was a roll-up.

So if a wrestler works a body part early in a match, he must end the match with a submission on that part? One could argue Owen took advantage of the situation and went for the roll up.

 

The knee didn't factor into Bret/Yoko either.

Don't see how that should be used against Bret/Owen.

 

It just isn't as great as people say.

Depends on who you're talking to really. People who call it ***** best match ever are overrating it. People who say it's a very good WWF match aren't.

 

I love their SS94 cage match, though.

The mania match is better though...

[Guest Besus]

Is Andre/Hulk praised for "One of the best matches ever" because of Hogan's bodyslam?

 

This is one of the worst matches I've ever seen.