Favorite BtVS Season

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I hated the whole Parker thing, it was totally out of the realm of her character. The fact that she became a wimpering moron afterwards just drove me up the wall.

[Guest JMA]

Personally, I always wanted Xander and Buffy to get together. As I said before, the sibling relationship didn't really do it for me. I think the scene before Buffy (and Tara) were shot was the perfect time to do it. They were both on the rebound.

[Cavi 0]

I wish they wouldn't have turned Willow totally gay...I think it would have worked better that Tara had just been so special to her that an exception had to be made. But after that the stuff with Kennedy did nothing for me and was pretty pointless.

I agree. I did not care for the Willow/Kennedy ship. Like with what JMA said, I viewed Willow falling in love with Tara as just a love thing, not really becoming a full-fledged homosexual. Willow and Kennedy didn't match either, in my opinion. I thought Kennedy came off as a rude person a lot of the time.

 

As for the original subject of this thread, I don't know if I can really narrow down a single season as my favorite. It changes when I get into the vibe of a particular one.

[BlackFlagg 0]

I agree. I did not care for the Willow/Kennedy ship. Like with what JMA said, I viewed Willow falling in love with Tara as just a love thing, not really becoming a full-fledged homosexual. Willow and Kennedy didn't match either, in my opinion. I thought Kennedy came off as a rude person a lot of the time.

Agreed, I always thought of Tara/Willow as a good way of showing that love has no bounds....but then they made Willow go total lesbo which seemed like stereotyping a bit, it gave it a bit of a "she's a big wiccan witch chick so she must be a lesbian" vibe.

[Guest JMA]

You'd think Oz would've sensed it when Willow went all uber-powerful. I mean, even people and creatures with the slightest connection to the supernatural felt it. Not to mention Oz has the residual Werewolf "connection" with Willow.

[chaosrage 0]

Personally, I always wanted Xander and Buffy to get together. As I said before, the sibling relationship didn't really do it for me. I think the scene before Buffy (and Tara) were shot was the perfect time to do it. They were both on the rebound.

The problem with that is the Spike/Buffy storyline was aweseome in season 7 and if Xander and Buffy got together, we wouldn't get it. On the other hand, they did absolutely shit with Willow that season besides hooking her up with the most annoying character ever. Also they only built up Buffy/Xander for one year where they built up Xander/Willow for three years and they actually had sexual attraction before.

 

Heh. Could you imagine if they even tried to pull this crap in WWE? Build up Trish and Jericho for months and one week out of the blue Trish would be "sorry, gay now".

[Mole 0]

Blah blah blah, you guys don't get it.

 

Oz and Willow had their relationship and it was a good one. It was the first time Willow had ever fallen in love and she was happy. Then, Oz decides to leave town and leave Willow in the dust.

 

Bam, here comes Tara. Tara is in the Wicca group; something Willow is interested in. These two start doing magic, become good friends, then bam, Willow falls in love with Tara. Once Willow falls in love with Tara, she then realizes that she is gay.

 

Tara is dead, so here enters Kennedy; Kennedy is gay and so is Willow. Kennedy is much different than Tara is and Willow likes that in her, so they get together.

 

I look it as Willow fell in love with Tara and then she realized she was gay. I've heard that people who found out they are gay did have feelings for the opposite sex before they found out they were gay; which is one thing that really confuses them.

[chaosrage 0]

So once she was in love with Tara, she immediately stops feeling anything towards Xander. Even though she had a crush on him for years and couldn't stop wanting him only a few months before despite her being in a relationship with Oz. Right..

 

We get it, we just don't like it.

 

I look it as Willow fell in love with Tara and then she realized she was gay. I've heard that people who found out they are gay did have feelings for the opposite sex before they found out they were gay; which is one thing that really confuses them.

 

And that's called bi.

[The Dames 0]

Even when she was with Tara, she considered herself gay, never bisexual. She already made up her mind at that point.

 

Besides, Xander was with Anya, which killed any of Willow's feelings towards him romantically. Makes sense to me.

 

Dames

[Mole 0]

I think she finally *got* over Xander.

[Guest JMA]

Even when she was with Tara, she considered herself gay, never bisexual.  She already made up her mind at that point. 

 

Besides, Xander was with Anya, which killed any of Willow's feelings towards him romantically.  Makes sense to me. 

 

Dames

But she's able to be attracted to guys. She even fell in love with two. I very much doubt her feelings for Xander and Oz were all just a mistake.

 

And she still had the hots for Xander when he was dating Cordelia (and she was dating Oz). Those feelings don't just go away when the person you love is with someone else. If only it was that easy...

[Mole 0]

Yes, that is true, I wish it was that easy.

 

Bah, I guess I'm willing to let it slide.

[Guest JMA]

Yes, that is true, I wish it was that easy.

 

Bah, I guess I'm willing to let it slide.

Woohoo! Victory!

 

...

 

(runs away)

[chaosrage 0]

Even when she was with Tara, she considered herself gay, never bisexual.  She already made up her mind at that point. 

Just because she made up her mind doesn't mean she is. If she was attracted to guys, she can't be.

 

Besides, Xander was with Anya, which killed any of Willow's feelings towards him romantically.  Makes sense to me.

 

But it didn't when he was with Cordelia and Faith....

 

I think she finally *got* over Xander.

 

Yeah, that sucks though. Even if it made sense, they still built it up for 3 years and dropped it.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Buffy's "true love" was Angel. That was the relationship that was being built up for 3 years. There was no relationship with Buffy, just a love-lorn Xander crushing on the new girl and Willow having to be the shoulder to cry on (Willow/Xander being the real focus of Xander's Buffy crush). I don't think there was anything to botch between Xander and Buffy; it was what it was.... Xander playing Duckie.

 

Xander/Willow getting together was tried, it got complicated, they figured they'd be better off just-bein-friends. Quite frankly, I found their lil escape to be frustrating at the time -and still do now. It just didn't seem right (which is the effect they probably wanted) Season 4 pretty-much-well rewrote all the rules. Willow in College "experimenting" in new things, Xander left behind and banging the resident slut as a consolation prize. Xander and Anya began as fuck-buddies and grew from that - they came together as two discarded people looking in on a world they do not know. Willow/Tara came from Willow seeing in Tara what she used to be and could identify with and from also sharing a life-changing experience in the witchery. I think Tara/Willow Season 5 was the best "relationship" on the show besides Buffy/Angel. I also really liked Anya/Xander in Season 5 as well.

 

Besides, everyone knows that in Joss's world, you don't end-off happy in these kinds of things (of course, Willow found Kennedy *which I hated* and they are living happilly ever after - which is the only relationship I can think of that stuck in either Angel or Buffy). I don't think I can even count on both hands how many primary relationships ended up breaking up horribly... I might need my feet.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Buffy-Angel (Death...then dump)

Buffy-Riley (Dump)

Buffy-Spike (Death-ish)

Xander-Cordelia (Dump)

Xander-Anya (Dump...then Death)

Willow-Oz (Dump)

Willow-Tara (Death)

Giles-Jenny (Death)

Spike-Drusilla (Dump)

 

 

That's all I can think of...but there were also more minor relationships like Buffy/Scott Hope and Giles/Olivia that didn't end well.

[Mole 0]

I thought Olivia just left the show. I didn't think Giles dumped her.

 

I guess you can count Angel/Darla(Dump)

 

Here is an interesting tidbit I read.

 

The guy from My Big Fat Obnoxious Fiance, Steven Bailey, was in Angel and Buffy.

 

He was Cave Demon, the demon who gave Spike his soul, in Buffy. He was also Ryan in "Carpe Noctem" as Ryan. I don't remember him at all; but I will notice when Angel comes out on Tuesday!!!

[Guest JMA]

Although I like Amber Benson and think she's a great actress (we also have the same hometown), I was pretty indifferent to the Willow/Tara relationship. At first I hated it because I'm a Seth Green mark, but that soon faded. Tara (like Dawn) became more likeable as the seasons went by. There were other relationships I was more emotionally invested in, however. That being said, I did really hate Warren when he shot her. Which is good, I suppose.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

The thing with Olivia (as you can see at the end of Hush) is that she couldn't live in Giles' world. There's a moment of recognition in Giles' face at the end. After that she only appears in his dream sequence in Restless representing Giles' not having a family or loved one as a result of his job.

[Mole 0]

I never had the Tara hate that a lot of people did.

 

Dawn on the other hand, was only good when she was hot in season 7.

[Guest JMA]

I never had the Tara hate that a lot of people did.

 

Dawn on the other hand, was only good when she was hot in season 7.

I don't think anyone really hated Tara herself. They just liked Oz so much and saw her as a replacement.

 

Agreed on Dawn.

[Mole 0]

No, I remember reading LOTS of hate towards Tara.

 

People hated Riley more for being a replacement and the fact he sucked. I only liked Riley when he went on his downward spiral in season 5.

[spiny norman 0]

I know a few people who hate Tara becase they find her boring or whatnot. I think that's mainly because she wasn't the most loud or funny or obnocious. I think she was the most real character of them, the one the audience could identify with best. Plus could she sing!

 

As for Dawn, Season Five she was good because that is what was needed for that character. She was the bratty bitchy sister, Ben was the super nice good guy. But as the series progressed they both changed to the point where she was willing to sacrifice herself for the world.

 

Season Six was just all about her being treated as a child which I think all people can identify with from their teenage years. Annoying? Perhaps, but we were all probably annoying to some extent during those periods.

 

And Season Seven she was just there, not really offensive at all. Plus she sang the anchovies song.

 

Riley though? He was just bland as can be. Though he was meant to be Joe Average, Joe Average is never that boring. And his jokes were terrible! Though I'm not sure if that's the fault of the writer's or the actor. Though I felt he got more interesting in Season Five, he was still their worst main character ever.

[Mole 0]

Dawn was also annoying in season 5.

 

And even though I didn't like Riley, I still like Marc Blucas. The Riley character was blah for me, especially the stupid part he had in the beginning of season 4. Who had their hair parted in the middle in 99?

[Golgo 13 0]

Man. I always thought Amber was a terrible actress, which is my main reason for hating Tara.

[Mole 0]

Amber a bad actress? You think so?

 

I never saw that, unlike Charisma in the beginning of Buffy.

[spiny norman 0]

Yes, Dawn was annoying in Season Five. But as I said, she was meant to be. She was the whiny annoying little sister, got on everyone's nerves. She was selfish and didn't hold Buffy in a great amount of respect.

 

Compare that to Ben. He was kind, giving and decided to work in a hospital due to his want of helping people and was the complete opposite of Dawn. They were both put on earth and were the two obstacles for Glory's breaking through to her dimension.

 

But by the end of the Season, he was the selfish one. He chose his life over every single other person's, whereas Dawn was willing to take her own to save everyone else (ironically, he died, she didn't). She had to be annoying so as to be able to make that transition and so she could be the anti-Ben. I don't think it was accidental, it was just good character development.

[chaosrage 0]

They didn't build up Angel/Buffy to a relationship for 3 years. They got together and they stayed together... for a good while, it just didn't work out. However, for 3 seasons, I wanted to see Willow and Xander hook up and they teased it all the time but it never happened.

 

Besides, everyone knows that in Joss's world, you don't end-off happy in these kinds of things (of course, Willow found Kennedy *which I hated* and they are living happilly ever after - which is the only relationship I can think of that stuck in either Angel or Buffy). I don't think I can even count on both hands how many primary relationships ended up breaking up horribly... I might need my feet.

 

Uh-huh, there's no excuse for that. And don't try to make it out to be anything more than Joss not being able to get a date in high school. It's like he punishes his characters for falling in love. ONE relationship should have at least worked to keep it unpredictable. I mean, I knew Xander and Anya weren't getting married and Tara and Willow wouldn't work out. Because that's what he does.

 

I don't count Kennedy/Willow as working since it's only been a year.

 

But hey, Xander and Willow are alive so maybe there's still a remote possibility. Maybe he's saving it for the movie or another spinoff, heh. Alyson definitely wants to do more, Brendon said he would come back if they just asked him to be a janitor, and Joss seems to be planning something. So I don't think it'll be the end.

[chaosrage 0]

Dawn on the other hand, was only good when she was hot in season 7.

Wow, Mole doesn't like something about Buffy that I do. I love Dawn. She made season 5. Is she whiny? Sure, but she's a 14 year old girl. That's what they do. It's realistic.

[Youth N Asia 0]

Dawn sucked.

 

Season 5, goddamn crybaby

Season 6, goddamn crybaby

Last episode of season 6, Oh I can fight now

Season 7, Dawn the badass

 

That was balls, they kept her an annoying crybaby forever, and then made her a good fighter out of nowhere. And teens are annoying...but not that annoying.