Anya 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2004 I don't get why Xbox gets multiple boxarts but PS2 gets one. Also not sure which Illl get. As a collector, I might get all of them. I have seen a lot of people hate on Alpha 3 for PSX. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Use Your Illusion 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2004 Having PS2 makes the choice easy for me. Besides, I don't have the money to be buying 3 or 4 'versions' of a game that are all essentially the same, outside of a few colours. UYI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anya 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2004 MK1 is no longer part of Midway Arcade Treasures 2. You have to buy these limited editions if you want it. MAT 2 now just has MK II and 3. Lame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrVenkman PhD 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2004 At work today I noticed an old (few months) PSM magazine lying around. It was a cover story about the next MK game, but the guy on the cover looked like Super Shredder. Neat stuff if he's a guy in the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Use Your Illusion 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2004 That's Sub-Zero. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BUTT 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2004 MK1 is no longer part of Midway Arcade Treasures 2. You have to buy these limited editions if you want it. MAT 2 now just has MK II and 3. Lame. Yeah, but that's not the worst part. They took STUN Runner out of MAT2! That was honestly the main reason I was looking forward to it. Oh well, I'll still buy it, but I'm disappointed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrVenkman PhD 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2004 That's Sub-Zero. That's kinda what I figured, but that seems like a bit of a radical design change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2004 Bastion of journalist integrity Game Informer gave it a 9.5, plus reveals some fatalities (Baraka lopping his own head off, etc.) However, a 9.5 from GI means jack shit. However, the Puzzle Kombat mode looks really trippy--SD Baraka is...still one ugly mutha. When you win, though, you do an automatic fatality exclusive to the Puzzle Kombat mode. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ted the Poster 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2004 I was hoping they'd do that for PK mode. Midget fatalities= sweet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perfxion 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2004 http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/mkdecept..._030804_003.jpg Is Sub Zero's new main enemy Reptile or 4 walking turtles? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anya 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2004 OMG! I JUST NOTICED SOMETHING! Sub-Zero looks like shredder! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2004 Stupid question: X-Box Live gamers can't play against PS2ers online, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anya 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2004 They can't. Online play will probably be awful though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Use Your Illusion 0 Report post Posted September 20, 2004 What are some of the drawbacks of playing 3D fighters online? I've never done it before. I just checked out Mileena's fatality over at IGN.com, quite interesting. My interest is begin to stir once more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anya 0 Report post Posted September 20, 2004 Just MK, not all 3d fighters. Midway's never released a game that wasn't buggy. I can't imagine them getting online play up and running perfectly on their first try. Also, MK's fanbase tends to be filled with very immature players. I can see having to wade through a sea of players who quit in the middle of the match when they're losing and other obnoxious tactics. Even if you do find someone good MKD's gameplay is quite broken and simplistic. There's going to be a lot of people abusing infinites and other overpowered starts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted September 20, 2004 Just MK, not all 3d fighters. Midway's never released a game that wasn't buggy. I can't imagine them getting online play up and running perfectly on their first try. Also, MK's fanbase tends to be filled with very immature players. I can see having to wade through a sea of players who quit in the middle of the match when they're losing and other obnoxious tactics. Even if you do find someone good MKD's gameplay is quite broken and simplistic. There's going to be a lot of people abusing infinites and other overpowered starts. *agrees with all that* Refreshingly honest post there, Anya. Any word on what the AI is going to be like? That's always been a pretty weak part of the MK games. It's either "reacts instantaneously to using special moves with tons of punishment," "becomes retarded when dealing with attack patterns such as jump kicks and sweeps" or "boss that fights completely unlike a normal characters and cheats its ass off." Any I missed there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anya 0 Report post Posted September 20, 2004 I haven't heard anything, but I'd imagine it's going to be just like MKDA's. That game's AI was pretty good. Easily the best in the series. Not anything special, pretty much just generic fighting game AI like you'd see in Tekken, but it wasn't all cheap and artificial like the 2D MKs. The bosses are unlike other characters though. The subboss is a quasi-tag team fight and the final boss is a big huge monster like Goro, Kintaro, Motaro, and all that... I have no problem with bringing up MK's flaws. MKD will have quite a few. The new combo breaking looks terrible, the lights that tell you when to block are pointless, and they still haven't fixed major problems from MKDA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted September 20, 2004 I read about the Breakers in GI. It's nice they're there, but meh... It's seems like a treatment that doesn't seem to get at the underlying problem, like giving cough syrup to some one with a cold. None of the gameplay elements they harped about seem too groundbreaking. So sounded like your usual GI over-hyping of high-profile titles. What flaws from DA would you fix? Never played it aside from on a demo before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Use Your Illusion 0 Report post Posted September 20, 2004 It's unbelieveable how bush league Mortal Kombat seems when compared to, say , Tekken 4. I bought both MKDA & T4 at the same time, back in the day, and MKDA only held my attention through Konquest mode and checking out the Fatalities. I don't think I'll be buying this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anya 0 Report post Posted September 21, 2004 What flaws from DA would you fix? Never played it aside from on a demo before. Sidestep is weak thanks to how well moves track. No okizeme or ground game at all. Throws are blockable, defeating the whole purpose of them. No real advanced throw game. No countering, no escaping, no real options after throws. Very little in the way of special properties for moves. Nothing like counter hits or guard breaks. Walls just add double damage, no special properties. Infinites. The stances are irrelevant. Since none of them have any special properties it's just splitting up a moveset into 3 sections. Chain combos are all guarunteed after the first hit. Not enough low moves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2004 Lame....yet I still think MK:DA was GI's fighting game of the year. Ed needs to hire some Japanese programmers or some CA fighting game experts for advice/testing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anya 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2004 MK sells more than the Japanse fighting games, so I doubt he's really losing any sleep over it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2004 I'm of course referring from a quality standpoint. However, you make a valid point. People will buy any piece of crap with MK stamped on it--take a look at Mortal Kombat Advance. People bought that! On the other hand, take a look at Tao Feng...it was ambitious and had ties to MK, but not the MK name. The result? Hardly anyone bought it. However, I'm not sure about that claim that it's outselling the Japanese games. You seem to always have access to sales figures all the time and I don't know where you get them from, but depending on what games you mean and which criteria, I think that may vary... Googling found me this though: "Recently in a Midway announcement evoked by Gamespot, the sales of all 4 versions of Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance, including the port versions for Microsoft XBox, Nintendo Gamecube, Sony Playstation, and Gameboy Advance, reached over 2,000,000 world-wide. MK: Deadly Alliance was also a large success in Europe, to which it was released a few months after it was released within the United States, as Europe has long been followers of Mortal Kombat, specifically in its television series, Mortal Kombat Konquest." Maybe those are just vastly out of date, but 2 million *worldwide* for all systems doesn't really sound all that impressive. I know Tekken 4 sold "below expectations" and that US gamers don't give half a rabbit turd about Virtua Fighter, but Soul Calibur II seemed to sell well, using a well-planned multi-console strategy. Plus, you'd have to count Japan for the Japanese games. *** Also in that article...: Helene Scheeler, the vice president of Midway marketing, stated in the press release "Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance took gamers by storm, and these numbers prove the franchise is continuing to define the fighting genre..." *** HAHAHAH!! Define the fighting genre?! How?! Was there a single original thought in Deadly Alliance? Oh well--sounds like how GI was making out Deception to be innovative because it contains: Stage fatalities combo breakers using the environment as a weapon during the fight Damn, that's brilliant stuff there. I'm sure other fighting games will be copying those for years to come. Of course, those combo breakers are the biggest thing...we've never seen those before. Imagine, executing commands to break up a combo. Hot damn... Sorry. GI sucks and I'm not sure how to handle it except for beating that dead horse a little more. Speaking of sales figures...who the hell is buying all these copies of Halo? Bill Gates? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anya 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2004 I don't know what kind of sales you're expecting or what "sounds" good but 2 million is great for anything, but especially a genre like fighting games. It's especially impressive when you consider how fast it got there, with most of the sales being in the first few months and well before it came a Greatest Hit. It's also impressive that it's done better than stuff like T4 and VF4 when it's only big in the US and Europe. The other big fighting game franchises have Japan as well. MKDA is able to not only hang with them, but actually surpass them. The only thing higher than MKDA is SSBM, and counting that as a fighting game is kind of dubious. The only good traditional Japanese fighting game that's close is SC II. DBZ Buduki was also way up there, sadly. I don't think anything by Capcom has sold over a million in years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2004 I don't know what kind of sales you're expecting or what "sounds" good but 2 million is great for anything, but especially a genre like fighting games. Don't mind me--I'm not exactly privy to sales info most of the time, nor do I usually care. It's just that I'd expect more from two different continents. Plus it's easy to forget that in sales, the EA sports titles are the exceptions, with most other non-sports titles not doing nearly as well. It's especially impressive when you consider how fast it got there, with most of the sales being in the first few months and well before it came a Greatest Hit. I still don't get that, since 3 and 4 were hardly quality titles and I don't think 4 was a big seller. I guess quality doesn't really matter a damn, though. It's also impressive that it's done better than stuff like T4 and VF4 when it's only big in the US and Europe. The other big fighting game franchises have Japan as well. MKDA is able to not only hang with them, but actually surpass them. Dunno, but TTT probably made a lot of people feel they didn't need T4. It would be sad if DA couldn't surpass VF4. The only thing higher than MKDA is SSBM, and counting that as a fighting game is kind of dubious. The only good traditional Japanese fighting game that's close is SC II. DBZ Buduki was also way up there, sadly. I don't think anything by Capcom has sold over a million in years. Not surprisingly. 2D isn't a big seller these days. Then again, the EX games were still playable. *shrug* DMC3 could be a big hit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anya 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2004 MK3 and MK4 did really well. MK4 sold about 1.5 million. MKT over 2. I am thinking there's a good chance MKT is actually the best selling 2D fighter in the post-16 bit era. It's even still in print and selling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2004 MK3 and MK4 did really well. MK4 sold about 1.5 million. MKT over 2. I am thinking there's a good chance MKT is actually the best selling 2D fighter in the post-16 bit era. It's even still in print and selling. That's really, really ghey. Yet more proof that most US gamers are morons and idiots. On a similar note, isn't Alpha 3 a GH and Alpha 2 isn't? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anya 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2004 Yeah. Only A3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2004 Yeah. Only A3. I rest my case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Use Your Illusion 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2004 IGN.com have put up their comprehensive review on the finished product, calling it the best Mortal Kombat game of all time. Here's the link Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
