Bored 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yan...-span-headlines Yes already brought up in the offseason thread but this needs its own topic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandman9000 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 It appeared on the scroll on ESPN, saying the trade was agreed in on principle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 ...FUCK STEINBRENNER AND THE YANKEES! Oh well, now they have a hole at 2B and SP(Assuming they traded Soriano and Contreras) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Nope its just Soriano and a minor leaguer although who knows if that can change in the next few days. They still say A-Rod is moving to 3rd which is mind boggling. Why not move Jeter to 2nd and play Lamb at 3rd? Lamb is better than anyone they have on the roster to play 2nd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandman9000 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 As much sense as that would make, it would also be Jeter saying "A-Rod is a better shortstop than me," and that'll never happen. No athlete with an ego would ever admit that, no matter how true it is. So, someone needs to play 2B, Giambi is still a question to play first every day, and starting pitching isn't solid yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Life is good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Not necassarily AS, they still need help in the pitching department and if they don't manage to sign Maddux then who would they turn to? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Lamb is better than anyone they have on the roster to play 2nd. Huh? Not necassarily AS, they still need help in the pitching department and if they don't manage to sign Maddux then who would they turn to? Mussina-Vazquez-Brown-Contreras-Lieber is still pretty good, if everything works out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandman9000 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Starting pitching: Mike Mussina Kevin Brown Javier Vasquez Jose Contreras Jon Lieber? Good 1-3, be nice if Triple-A Jose could fill in the four spot, and I dunno who's gonna be five. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Lamb is better than anyone they have on the roster to play 2nd. Huh? Mike Lamb is better than Miguel Cairo and Enrique Wilson who would be the Yankees two current options at 2nd if they go with the clueless plan of A-Rod at 3rd and not moivng Jeter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Just heard on ESPN Radio the deal isn't official yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Lamb is better than anyone they have on the roster to play 2nd. Huh? Mike Lamb is better than Miguel Cairo and Enrique Wilson who would be the Yankees two current options at 2nd if they go with the clueless plan of A-Rod at 3rd and not moivng Jeter. Lamb's not as bad at 2nd as he is at 3rd? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 The Yankees probably think A-Rod being better defensively would be more able to make the move over to 3rd base. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Lamb has a career .914 fielding % at 3B in 224 games. He's only played 2B once. Enrique Wilson has a career .990 fielding % at 2B in 96 games, and Cairo has a .982 fielding % at 2B in 465 games. I'd personally stick Cairo there and use Wilson as the backup at 2B. Last Year's fielding %'s Cairo: .986 in 40 games at 2B Wilson: 1.000 in only 10 games at 2B Lamb: Didn't play 2B at all last year, only played 2B once in 2002 and has predominantly been a 3B in his career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Lamb has a career .914 fielding % at 3B in 224 games. I don't know how fielding averages work out, but that's somehow equals 54 errors over the course of the 224 games Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 14, 2004 FUCK BoSox fan? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Let me clear something up. Mike Lamb at 3rd is a better option than Miguel Cairo or Enrique Wilson at 2nd. I said move Jeter to 2nd and not Lamb. Derek Jeter is a horrible defensive shorstop and it is pure insanity to move A-Rod from short to accomodate Jeter's fragile ego. Hell trade Jeter for a 2nd baseman if he doesn't want to move from short. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Yeah, that's a fairly low fielding %, esp. for a 3B. Although Wilson has only 3 errors in 96 games as a 2B and Cairo has 39 errors in 465 games so both are better options at 2B then Mike Lamb of all people. Let Lamb backup A-Rod(assuming A-Rod does shift to 3B) and leave Jeter at SS. Jeter has a respectable .973 fielding % as a SS in 1,209 games, and while he has 132 errors if you look at the numbers, A-Rod is almost exactly similar. 1,267 games at SS, 131 errors and a .977 fielding %. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Taking a look at Win Shares, A-Rod had 32 last year, while Soriano had 27. That works out to a nearly two win improvement in the standings. Good, but hardly something that makes the Yankees instant favorites. They still have a big hole in the infield. Even moreso, as Miguel Cairo and Enrigue Wilson are barely even good players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Yes. Jeter isn't a horrible SS. A-Rod's better, but like I said earlier he's probably more able to make the move to 3rd base. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Hey Al, is there a site that has the full formula for Win Shares? I've reserved the book at my library from another one however I'm not sure when it'll arrive so I was just curious since I've wanted to try this for older teams/players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Yeah, that's a fairly low fielding %, esp. for a 3B. Although Wilson has only 3 errors in 96 games as a 2B and Cairo has 39 errors in 465 games so both are better options at 2B then Mike Lamb of all people. Let Lamb backup A-Rod(assuming A-Rod does shift to 3B) and leave Jeter at SS. Jeter has a respectable .973 fielding % as a SS in 1,209 games, and while he has 132 errors if you look at the numbers, A-Rod is almost exactly similar. 1,267 games at SS, 131 errors and a .977 fielding %. Range numbers are more important than fielding percentage. Derek Jeter was DEAD LAST in all of baseball last year in range. Mike Lamb has average range for a 3rd baseman. Like I said in a previous post I said move Jeter to 2nd, not Lamb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Hey Al, is there a site that has the full formula for Win Shares? I've reserved the book at my library from another one however I'm not sure when it'll arrive so I was just curious since I've wanted to try this for older teams/players. Unfortunately no. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Comparing Miguel Cairo to Alfonso Soriano in terms of 2B fielding. Cairo: .982% in 465 games with 39 errors, 4.65 RF Soriano: .972% in 467 games with 62 errors, 4.55 RF If anything, at the very least the Yanks could improve at 2B defensively though the offensive production wouldn't even be close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 What would moving Jeter to 2nd accomplish? You'd than be stuck with a weak hitting 3rd basemen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 14, 2004 . Derek Jeter is a horrible defensive shorstop And Lamb is a horrible 3rd baseman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Who cares about fielding percentage if you can't get to the ball? Lamb is a decent hitter and certainly better than Cairo and Wilson. He didn't get a chance to play last year because of the emergence of Hank Blalock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Still though, the guy has only played 2B once in his career and that was in 2002. If you have a guy like Cairo with a 4.65 RF and a career .982 FP, why not use him? The guy can be a decent roleplayer in the lineup as the Yanks certainly don't need more firepower. Also Lamb has a career 2.55 RF so wouldn't you want Cairo instead? Or does it go from 10-1(1 being the best)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
