Edwards Drops Out

[Markme123 0]

He's speaking right now on TV.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

This just paves the way for Al Sharpton to take the nomination.

 

Realistically, this was over after the 7 States.

[Guest Jimbo]

WHA!?!

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

[BX 0]

Everyone I endorse drops out.

 

 

BUSH - CHENEY '04 GO AMERIKA!

[Guest MikeSC]

He dropped out?

 

But he was SO CLOSE to Kerry!

 

Oh, I'm sorry --- his delegate total was close to HOWARD DEAN, who dropped out a little while ago. Kerry did kind of skunk him, didn't he?

 

My mistake.

 

I hope he takes the VP nod, simply so he'll have to answer TONS OF QUESTIONS about saying he wouldn't.

 

Bush still wins.

-=Mike

[Guest Cerebus]

Too bad, I have to admit these primaries were a lot more fun than the Republican primaries in 2000.

[Guest Choken One]

damn...I wasted my vote.

[BX 0]

I hope he takes the VP nod, simply so he'll have to answer TONS OF QUESTIONS about saying he wouldn't.

-=Mike

Simple pleasures for a simple man.

[Guest Wildbomb 4:20]

Well well well....the game is afoot~!

 

Let the wars begin...it's going to be one helluva campaign.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

So true.

[Highland 0]

He dropped out?

 

But he was SO CLOSE to Kerry!

 

Oh, I'm sorry --- his delegate total was close to HOWARD DEAN, who dropped out a little while ago. Kerry did kind of skunk him, didn't he?

 

My mistake.

 

I hope he takes the VP nod, simply so he'll have to answer TONS OF QUESTIONS about saying he wouldn't.

 

Bush still wins.

-=Mike

Outsourcing of jobs, a huge deficit (and any economist that tells you deficits don't mean anything is lying) and the war in Iraq are liabilites, not assets. Bush will be lucky to win in November, it's not a shoe in for him by any means.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

What pisses me off about this is that Edwards territory is coming up with mostly southern states coming up. It makes no sense for him to drop out at this point, especially since there is (well, was... until he dropped out) bound to be buyer's remorse about Kerry once people start to realize just how weak of a candidate he is. My bet is that he got an offer from Kerry if he dropped out now.

 

But MEH.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Except that from today on, the match builds up.

 

With what happens last night, he'd need 60-70% of the states at play, etc.

 

I thought it was bad form to not wait until Georgia and Minnesota were counted and leave at the immediate news of Ohio, but after those returns it became kind of obvious.

[Guest thebigjig]

I hope he takes the VP nod, simply so he'll have to answer TONS OF QUESTIONS about saying he wouldn't.

 

Bush still wins.

-=Mike

Oh yes... that would've been incredibly smart of him, running a campaign for PRESIDENT, to actually admit that he would be interested in taking a spot everyone was speculating he would take anyway... no one in their right mind would say they would be interested in being a VP when you are running for a spot above

[Guest thebigjig]

He dropped out?

 

But he was SO CLOSE to Kerry!

 

Oh, I'm sorry --- his delegate total was close to HOWARD DEAN, who dropped out a little while ago. Kerry did kind of skunk him, didn't he?

 

My mistake.

 

I hope he takes the VP nod, simply so he'll have to answer TONS OF QUESTIONS about saying he wouldn't.

 

Bush still wins.

-=Mike

I would rather hear Bush answer some of the actual IMPORTANT questions, than hear Edwards explain the obvious

[Guest MikeSC]

He dropped out?

 

But he was SO CLOSE to Kerry!

 

Oh, I'm sorry --- his delegate total was close to HOWARD DEAN, who dropped out a little while ago. Kerry did kind of skunk him, didn't he?

 

My mistake.

 

I hope he takes the VP nod, simply so he'll have to answer TONS OF QUESTIONS about saying he wouldn't.

 

Bush still wins.

                -=Mike

I would rather hear Bush answer some of the actual IMPORTANT questions, than hear Edwards explain the obvious

What questions has Bush dodged? He has people looking into the intel failures (the same failures that have plagued other Presidents in the past, mind you).

Outsourcing of jobs,

Yeesh. You know, most economists will ALSO say that outsourcing of jobs is vitally important for an economy.

 

Don't you think there was considerable bitching from buggy manufacturers when cars were introduced?

a huge deficit (and any economist that tells you deficits don't mean anything is lying)

As a percentage of GDP, it's negligible.

and the war in Iraq are liabilites, not assets.

But we have bin Laden captured, right?

Bush will be lucky to win in November, it's not a shoe in for him by any means.

Kerry is a charisma vacuum. Bush is in good shape. People don't vote for uber-liberals.

What pisses me off about this is that Edwards territory is coming up with mostly southern states coming up.

He only won one Southern state to date. Losing GA is a bad sign for him, and he knew he lost it before he quit.

It makes no sense for him to drop out at this point, especially since there is (well, was... until he dropped out) bound to be buyer's remorse about Kerry once people start to realize just how weak of a candidate he is.

He was getting trounced. For him to win the nomination would be impossible. He knew he had no shot in NY or CA.

My bet is that he got an offer from Kerry if he dropped out now.

 

But MEH.

Why prolong the inevitable?

Oh yes... that would've been incredibly smart of him, running a campaign for PRESIDENT, to actually admit that he would be interested in taking a spot everyone was speculating he would take anyway

.

Whoa, don't say that. Tyler will rip you to shreds for it.

http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...=vice+president

.. no one in their right mind would say they would be interested in being a VP when you are running for a spot above

Man, you'd have been flamed for that point a little while back.

-=Mike

[KingPK 0]

Bush will be lucky to win in November, it's not a shoe in for him by any means.

Kerry is a Massachusetts Liberal, ergo, Kerry is FUCKED. This might drive even MORE people to go Nader, which fucks over Kerry even worse (even some of the "anyone but Bush people" I know don't really like Kerry, including my parents.)

[Guest Cerebus]

a huge deficit (and any economist that tells you deficits don't mean anything is lying)

As a percentage of GDP, it's negligible.

I just want to step in here for a bit. Our Master of Monetary Greenspan is apparently worried enough about the deficit contributing to the debt (which, despite being used interchangable, are two different things) was worrisome enough to mention that "He advised Congress to begin facing this challenge by restoring spending discipline." according to the AP which should be drastic enough, in his opinion, to cut social security and medicare in anticipation of the Baby Boomer generation reaching critical age. While debt-to-GDP ratio remains low, according to the article about 40%, in comparison to other industrialized nations, that could change quickly. And, surprisingly, as of January of this year, 51% now views reducing the budget deficit as a top priority, up from 40% last year. So it can't be easily dismissed.

[Firestarter 0]

I wish everyone would stop taking every damn thing that comes out of Greenspan's mouth as economic gospel. He's a central banker, for Christ's sake. It was funny when Senator McCain said that if he were President and Greenspan died, he'd put a pair of sunglasses on him and reappoint the corpse, but sometimes it seems that people seriously think that would be a good idea.

[Guest MikeSC]

Hey, Kerry wants to be the "Second Black President" (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=718&e=1&u=/ap/20040302/ap_on_el_pr/democrats)

 

Because, God knows, if ANYBODY knows the plight of disenfranchised black voters, it's a wealthy Massachusetts liberal.

 

I suppose this means that the Democrats have no plans to actually get an ACTUAL black person EVER elected President --- they'll just refer to any Democratic President as being de facto "black".

 

He also seems to support the borderline psychopathic Aristide in his (and let's be honest here) ridiculous claims.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040302-115719-2739r.htm

 

Kerry is going to blow this SO badly.

-=Mike

[Ripper 0]

Hey, Kerry wants to be the "Second Black President" (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=718&e=1&u=/ap/20040302/ap_on_el_pr/democrats)

 

Because, God knows, if ANYBODY knows the plight of disenfranchised black voters, it's a wealthy Massachusetts liberal.

 

I suppose this means that the Democrats have no plans to actually get an ACTUAL black person EVER elected President --- they'll just refer to any Democratic President as being de facto "black".

 

He also seems to support the borderline psychopathic Aristide in his (and let's be honest here) ridiculous claims.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040302-115719-2739r.htm

 

Kerry is going to blow this SO badly.

-=Mike

Good.....Lord....

 

I often wondered what it would take to get a piss poor president re-elected...I think I am starting to see..

 

Jesus...someone get Edwards back in the race. If Kerry keeps calling himself black and believing bullshit, he might be able to make a comeback.

 

Good Lord.

[Ripper 0]

Outsourcing of jobs,

Yeesh. You know, most economists will ALSO say that outsourcing of jobs is vitally important for an economy.

 

Don't you think there was considerable bitching from buggy manufacturers when cars were introduced?

Okay, could someone explain this logic to me?

 

By taking jobs away from American and sending out of the country, it leads to a better economy for Americans....yeah...I don't get it.

 

Like at the company I work for now, about 100 have been laid off as they are sending their entire call center to India. How in the fucking hell is that helping these people who are losing their jobs?

[Guest Cerebus]

I wish everyone would stop taking every damn thing that comes out of Greenspan's mouth as economic gospel. He's a central banker, for Christ's sake. It was funny when Senator McCain said that if he were President and Greenspan died, he'd put a pair of sunglasses on him and reappoint the corpse, but sometimes it seems that people seriously think that would be a good idea.

Whether or not you like the guy or not the fact is he could talk about his views on Coach's Challenge in the NFL and the stock market would go nuts that day. He IS in charge of the nation's monetary policy after all, it would be downright stupid to not, at least, consider what he has to say and give it some weight.

[Guest Cerebus]

Outsourcing of jobs,

Yeesh. You know, most economists will ALSO say that outsourcing of jobs is vitally important for an economy.

 

Don't you think there was considerable bitching from buggy manufacturers when cars were introduced?

Okay, could someone explain this logic to me?

 

By taking jobs away from American and sending out of the country, it leads to a better economy for Americans....yeah...I don't get it.

 

Like at the company I work for now, about 100 have been laid off as they are sending their entire call center to India. How in the fucking hell is that helping these people who are losing their jobs?

Discussed here earlier. Maybe if you weren't, you know, out having a life and not spending your time here you would have seen it.

[Guest MikeSC]

Outsourcing of jobs,

Yeesh. You know, most economists will ALSO say that outsourcing of jobs is vitally important for an economy.

 

Don't you think there was considerable bitching from buggy manufacturers when cars were introduced?

Okay, could someone explain this logic to me?

 

By taking jobs away from American and sending out of the country, it leads to a better economy for Americans....yeah...I don't get it.

 

Like at the company I work for now, about 100 have been laid off as they are sending their entire call center to India. How in the fucking hell is that helping these people who are losing their jobs?

Because NEWER jobs come in --- newer jobs that pay more --- and replace them. Using the current Democratic mantra, we should STILL have people here making shoes and the like.

 

Country's move BEYOND certain careers as being viable for actually warranting enough of a salary to allow somebody to live.

-=Mike

[Ripper 0]

Outsourcing of jobs,

Yeesh. You know, most economists will ALSO say that outsourcing of jobs is vitally important for an economy.

 

Don't you think there was considerable bitching from buggy manufacturers when cars were introduced?

Okay, could someone explain this logic to me?

 

By taking jobs away from American and sending out of the country, it leads to a better economy for Americans....yeah...I don't get it.

 

Like at the company I work for now, about 100 have been laid off as they are sending their entire call center to India. How in the fucking hell is that helping these people who are losing their jobs?

Discussed here earlier. Maybe if you weren't, you know, out having a life and not spending your time here you would have seen it.

I'm always doing shit like that. My fault.

[Ripper 0]

Okay so after reading over that and from what Mike said, this whole, outsourcing jobs helps the economy is dependant upon new job creation...Now...which part of this equation has been missing during this presidency? I don't see how one can work without the other.

[Guest thebigjig]

Why would I get flamed for making an obvious point?

 

"Hey, I'm spending millions of dollars and countless hours campaigning for a job I feel I'm destined to have... and thats why I would LOVE to sit here and outwardly admit to all of you, especially those that are campaigning their hearts out for me, my constituents, and the people that are donating their hard earned cash to my campaign, that I would gladly except the position of vice president"

 

And Mike, you're spinning... Bush had no intentions to investigate Iraq's WMD until the heat turned up... I watched the Condi Rice interview on Today, when asked if Bush would appoint a commission to investigate, she specifically said "no."

 

Oh and lets not forget the fact that he hasnt been cooperating with the 9/11 commission either... on the Russert interview, when asked if he would testify, he said "testify? Oh I dont know... I would be happy to VISIT with them"

 

Yeah, he's really being open and outright about everything isnt he?

[Guest MikeSC]

Okay so after reading over that and from what Mike said, this whole, outsourcing jobs helps the economy is dependant upon new job creation...Now...which part of this equation has been missing during this presidency? I don't see how one can work without the other.

The President's power to create jobs is weak, at best. There is always dislocation when certain areas are shut down and new ones start up.

 

And, odds are, there will be another huge bubble in the stock market for some other hot new field. And then that bubble will burst and we'll start all over.

Why would I get flamed for making an obvious point?

 

"Hey, I'm spending millions of dollars and countless hours campaigning for a job I feel I'm destined to have... and thats why I would LOVE to sit here and outwardly admit to all of you, especially those that are campaigning their hearts out for me, my constituents, and the people that are donating their hard earned cash to my campaign, that I would gladly except the position of vice president"

Did I say I disagree? Several of us said just that nearly a month ago and some here (Tyler) went NUTS.

 

BTW, is it odd that the "party of inclusion" Democrats has no real minorities mentioned in the list of possible VP nominees for Kerry?

And Mike, you're spinning... Bush had no intentions to investigate Iraq's WMD until the heat turned up... I watched the Condi Rice interview on Today, when asked if Bush would appoint a commission to investigate, she specifically said "no."

He SHOULDN'T have done it. It's not like ANY country doubted, for even one moment, that Iraq had them (condemnation of their WMD did get universal approval in the UN). Why would Bush doubt the intel when NOBODY had ANYTHING that said different?

Oh and lets not forget the fact that he hasnt been cooperating with the 9/11 commission either... on the Russert interview, when asked if he would testify, he said "testify? Oh I dont know... I would be happy to VISIT with them"

 

Yeah, he's really being open and outright about everything isnt he?

And, again, what would be the point?

 

Did ANYBODY consider asking FDR to testify about the intel flaws that led to Pearl Harbor? There was just as much intel stating that the attack was coming as there was for the 9/11 attacks.

 

No, and do you know why?

 

BECAUSE NOBODY BELIEVED THAT HE WOULD DO ANYTHING INTENTIONAL TO CAUSE THE DEATH OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS.

 

Even his most virulent Republican critics didn't consider it as a feasible possibility.

 

I wouldn't testify, either, if I were President as it is simply going to become a partisan witch hunt.

-=Mike