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Who should Kerry's running mate be?  

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  1. 1. Who should Kerry's running mate be?

    • John Edwards (Senator from North Carolina)
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    • Evan Bayh (Senator from Indiana)
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    • Bob Graham (Senator from Florida)
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    • Dick Gephardt (Representative from Missouri, former Minority Leader)
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    • Bill Richardson (Governor of New Mexico)
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    • Wesley Clark (Former general)
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    • Hillary Clinton (Senator from New York)
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    • Robert Rubin (Treasury Secretary under Bill Clinton)
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    • Howard Dean (Former Governor of Vermont)
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    • Other
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Guest MikeSC

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Note I'm asking who you think it SHOULD be not who you think it WILL be. And this is also assuming you are picking a canidate that will help him win. A pretty good link from OMGREALCLEARPOLITICSBIASEDCONSERVATIVEBLOGLOL2004~! for a little bit of background.

Got to say other because I don't think ANY of the people listed will help Kerry. Gephardt is a detriment in most of the country. John Edwards can't even deliver his home state OR NC (he is a South Carolinian). Hillary is an ice queen who will outshine Kerry, guaranteeing a hasty defeat.

 

I don't know who Kerry can pick to help him.

-=Mike

Guest Cerebus

Guest Cerebus

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Note I'm asking who you think it SHOULD be not who you think it WILL be. And this is also assuming you are picking a canidate that will help him win. A pretty good link from OMGREALCLEARPOLITICSBIASEDCONSERVATIVEBLOGLOL2004~! for a little bit of background.

Got to say other because I don't think ANY of the people listed will help Kerry. Gephardt is a detriment in most of the country. John Edwards can't even deliver his home state OR NC (he is a South Carolinian). Hillary is an ice queen who will outshine Kerry, guaranteeing a hasty defeat.

 

I don't know who Kerry can pick to help him.

-=Mike

I don't know if you read the Lindberg article on Robert Rubin. He makes an excellent argument for Rubin...it may cost Kerry a few Naderite votes but I think the economic confidence his campaign would gain by picking him would overcome that if used correctly.

Guest Cerebus

Guest Cerebus

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Wait...you're right I misread Mike. My error.

Guest MikeSC

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NC (he is a South Carolinian).

Nope.

As Downhome pointed out, he is a Seneca, SC native. He played that up big-time here.

 

Why do you think SC voted for him?

-=Mike

BX Newbie

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Edwards grew up in Robbins, a little town about 20 miles away from where I live. He has lived there since he was young, and he only moved to Raleigh when he began his legal career.

 

So he's a North Carolinean through and through.

 

Edwards is a native of South Carolina about as much as Michael Jordon is a native of New York City.

Guest MikeSC

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Other...Id like him to pick Russ Feingold(America's bravest and greatest elected official).

 

Of course, this selection would coincide with a blizzard in the devil's backyard ;)

Feingold? I can't respect anybody who sponsored that abortion of a campaign finance bill.

 

Tim Penny would be cool --- but that ain't happenin'.

-=Mike

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Other...Id like him to pick Russ Feingold(America's bravest and greatest elected official).

 

Of course, this selection would coincide with a blizzard in the devil's backyard ;)

Feingold? I can't respect anybody who sponsored that abortion of a campaign finance bill.

 

Tim Penny would be cool --- but that ain't happenin'.

-=Mike

What is your beef with camaign finance reform Mike?

 

Personally, I cant respect anyone who would support that rapist of a bill, the Patriot Act. And that makes 99 senators bending over while Feingold still supports the Land of the Free.

snuffbox Newbie

snuffbox

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No one has voted for Clinton yet. I'm sure someone among us is shocked, SHOCKED.

 

-=But it isn't me.

Bubba would never settle for seconds.

He means Hillary

Yeah...I see you are correct. I apparently confused myself with an article I read earlier about Bill as veep.

Guest Cerebus

Guest Cerebus

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I would giggle like a schoolgirl if Kerry announced his running mate, and Bill Clinton stepped onto the podium.

SWERVE~!

Edwin MacPhisto Newbie

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Well, the idea isn't going totally unconsidered.

 

I think it's the 12th amendment that'd hold it back:

"...no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

 

I think the intent of the law means that no one under 35 nor foreign-born can be VP, not the "served too many terms" deal, but I don't think the spirit of the law argument would work in this case. Too sketchy. It'd be hilarious, though. Especially if Clinton made his re-debut to the Terminator theme.

Guest MikeSC

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Well, the idea isn't going totally unconsidered.

 

I think it's the 12th amendment that'd hold it back:

"...no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

 

I think the intent of the law means that no one under 35 nor foreign-born can be VP, not the "served too many terms" deal, but I don't think the spirit of the law argument would work in this case. Too sketchy. It'd be hilarious, though. Especially if Clinton made his re-debut to the Terminator theme.

It'd be quite illegal. Clinton would not be permitted to serve as President due to the term limitation.

What is your beef with camaign finance reform Mike?

 

Personally, I cant respect anyone who would support that rapist of a bill, the Patriot Act. And that makes 99 senators bending over while Feingold still supports the Land of the Free.

I'd rather have people only assume that rights are being forfeited than having direct knowledge that rights are being forfeited.

 

CFA, flat-out, is an assault on the 1st Amendment. There is no way to deny that.

 

I've yet to see how anybody's rights have been impacted by the Patriot Act.

-=Mike

Vern Gagne Newbie

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I think it might end up being Bill Richardson. If he chooses Edwards, or Graham that's two Senators on the ticket. That formula hasn't worked since Kennedy/Johnson. JFK's also the last Senator to win the election. People don't seem to want to vote for a Senator has President.

Jobber of the Week Newbie

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It'd be quite illegal. Clinton would not be permitted to serve as President due to the term limitation.

Actually, we've had this conversation before, and that's not true.

 

Here is my source:

 

Slate  has contradicted itself. "History Lesson" says Bill Clinton can't run for vice president. "Explainer" says he can. What's the skinny?

 

The answer is: He can. The 12th Amendment states that anybody who is eligible for the presidency under Article II of the Constitution (a natural-born citizen age 35 or older) is eligible for the vice presidency. Clinton is a natural-born citizen over 35, so he qualifies. The putative roadblock to a Clinton vice presidency--the 22nd Amendment--doesn't apply. This hastily worded and passed amendment, designed to block another multi-multi-term presidency such as FDR's, only bars the election of a president to more than two terms in that office. It doesn't prevent a two-term president from running for the vice presidency.

 

The 25th Amendment affords Clinton another route to the vice presidency: In the event the vice presidency is vacated, the president appoints a new veep, subject to confirmation by Congress. (This is how Gerald Ford and Nelson Rockefeller became vice president.)

 

Nothing in the Constitution would prevent Vice President Clinton from becoming president via succession. Finally, another scenario could return Clinton to the White House without a pit stop at the vice presidency. If both the presidency and the vice presidency were vacated and Bill Clinton were the speaker of the House, he would become president under the 1948 presidential succession act. (Next in line, the president pro tempore of the Senate and then the cabinet officers in the order specified by the act.)

Guest Razor Roman

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Edwards is a native of South Carolina about as much as Michael Jordon is a native of New York City.

Chris Jericho is a NYC native. Maybe he should run for VEEP. But I'd hope it would be with Bush :-)

Guest Razor Roman

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It'd be quite illegal. Clinton would not be permitted to serve as President due to the term limitation.

Actually, we've had this conversation before, and that's not true.

To my understanding, it would be legal for BJ (Bill Jefferson) Clinton to run for VP also. If the president were to die (Ala Vince Foster?) he could step in to fill the position, too, just not run for it. Lyndon Johnson was running for a second full term in 1968, so basically you can be elected twice, but you can serve many more times than that. So after Clinton finishes John Kerry's term, he can become speaker of the house and kill the Pres and VP so he can again serve some time as president. :-)

Guest MikeSC

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It'd be quite illegal. Clinton would not be permitted to serve as President due to the term limitation.

Actually, we've had this conversation before, and that's not true.

 

Here is my source:

 

Slate  has contradicted itself. "History Lesson" says Bill Clinton can't run for vice president. "Explainer" says he can. What's the skinny?

 

The answer is: He can. The 12th Amendment states that anybody who is eligible for the presidency under Article II of the Constitution (a natural-born citizen age 35 or older) is eligible for the vice presidency. Clinton is a natural-born citizen over 35, so he qualifies. The putative roadblock to a Clinton vice presidency--the 22nd Amendment--doesn't apply. This hastily worded and passed amendment, designed to block another multi-multi-term presidency such as FDR's, only bars the election of a president to more than two terms in that office. It doesn't prevent a two-term president from running for the vice presidency.

 

The 25th Amendment affords Clinton another route to the vice presidency: In the event the vice presidency is vacated, the president appoints a new veep, subject to confirmation by Congress. (This is how Gerald Ford and Nelson Rockefeller became vice president.)

 

Nothing in the Constitution would prevent Vice President Clinton from becoming president via succession. Finally, another scenario could return Clinton to the White House without a pit stop at the vice presidency. If both the presidency and the vice presidency were vacated and Bill Clinton were the speaker of the House, he would become president under the 1948 presidential succession act. (Next in line, the president pro tempore of the Senate and then the cabinet officers in the order specified by the act.)

Clinton's inability to serve due to term limitations makes him ineligible to ever be President, thus making it illegal for him to be VP as well.

 

Besides, Bill has WAY too much ego to ever settle for that.

-=Mike

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