U.K. terror attack ow inevitable

[Zorin Industries 0]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3515312.stm

 

I've always thought that the terrorist threat to the U.K. was somewhat overhyped to gain political points, but I do agree that it is a question of when rather than if.

[Guest hunger4unger]

I agree 100%. When an attack occurs in mainland Britain, Blair is done for. I can imagine the backlash against him will be huge.

[Lando Griffin 0]

And it will be horribly misguided, just like it was in Spain.

[Zorin Industries 0]

I agree 100%. When an attack occurs in mainland Britain, Blair is done for. I can imagine the backlash against him will be huge.

I don't agree, Spain was already heavilly slanted against the war, plus it was the PP's attempts to place the blame on ETA that really did them in. I think Tony would be able to swing it to his advantage rather than have it negativlly impact on him

[Styles 0]

I agree 100%. When an attack occurs in mainland Britain, Blair is done for. I can imagine the backlash against him will be huge.

I really hope not, we can't afford to lose the UK...

[EricMM 0]

If the Brits refuse to fight the war on terror because they are (and we all hope never are) finally exposed to it at home, it WILL be the stupidest decision since Chamberlain.

 

Pacifism doesn't work against a bully who enjoys hurting people. Non-violent protest against Al-Queda would never work.

[Highland 0]

I don't see how a terrorist attack in your home country would cause you to capitulate to them instead of choosing to fight back, and no Spain did not capitulate: The previous government misled and outright lied to the electorate and that is why they are no longer in power.

Democracy 101: When you piss off the voters, they tend to not vote for you.

[Vyce 0]

Yes, it was capitulation.

 

And I look forward to seeing if the once proud and noble British are every bit as spineless.

[Guest MikeSC]

I don't see how a terrorist attack in your home country would cause you to capitulate to them instead of choosing to fight back, and no Spain did not capitulate: The previous government misled and outright lied to the electorate and that is why they are no longer in power.

Democracy 101: When you piss off the voters, they tend to not vote for you.

The ruling party was expected by everybody to win ---

 

Until it was obvious that Muslim terrorists were behind the bombings.

 

The people then decided that if they play nice, the terrorists won't kill them.

 

It's capitulation --- a European way of life.

-=Mike

[Ripper 0]

I don't see how a terrorist attack in your home country would cause you to capitulate to them instead of choosing to fight back, and no Spain did not capitulate: The previous government misled and outright lied to the electorate and that is why they are no longer in power.

Democracy 101: When you piss off the voters, they tend to not vote for you.

The ruling party was expected by everybody to win ---

 

Until it was obvious that Muslim terrorists were behind the bombings.

 

The people then decided that if they play nice, the terrorists won't kill them.

 

It's capitulation --- a European way of life.

-=Mike

Yeah, they are playing nice by LEAVING WHEN THEY WERE TOLD THEY WOULD BE LEAVING ANYWAY.

 

Godamn people are stupid. If anything, they should be applauded for staying up until they were told they could start leaving...you know BEFORE the attack. If they had left the next day or next week, fine, say what you want, but they were told June 30, they were probably going to start clearing out by June 30, and now they have said "Yeah, we are going to start leaving on June 30" and morons are calling them cowards.

 

DAMN THEM FOR DOING WHAT THEY ALWAYS SAID THEY WOULD DO~!

[Guest MikeSC]

I don't see how a terrorist attack in your home country would cause you to capitulate to them instead of choosing to fight back, and no Spain did not capitulate: The previous government misled and outright lied to the electorate and that is why they are no longer in power.

Democracy 101: When you piss off the voters, they tend to not vote for you.

The ruling party was expected by everybody to win ---

 

Until it was obvious that Muslim terrorists were behind the bombings.

 

The people then decided that if they play nice, the terrorists won't kill them.

 

It's capitulation --- a European way of life.

-=Mike

Yeah, they are playing nice by LEAVING WHEN THEY WERE TOLD THEY WOULD BE LEAVING ANYWAY.

 

Godamn people are stupid. If anything, they should be applauded for staying up until they were told they could start leaving...you know BEFORE the attack. If they had left the next day or next week, fine, say what you want, but they were told June 30, they were probably going to start clearing out by June 30, and now they have said "Yeah, we are going to start leaving on June 30" and morons are calling them cowards.

 

DAMN THEM FOR DOING WHAT THEY ALWAYS SAID THEY WOULD DO~!

Hmm, ruling party about to win.

 

Terrorists bomb a train.

 

Ruling party suddenly loses as party that has opposed any action in Iraq suddenly wins.

 

Gee, why would ANYBODY see this capitulation to terrorism?

 

But, hey, don't worry. Most of Europe bowed down to the Nazis, too.

 

Fighting for what's right is not a European sentiment.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Short reply here..

 

Mike, putting aside the claims that the Spanish people are all cowards for not re-electing conservatives.

 

How about the claims that the Spanish could have arrested the people behind these attacks within the last year??

 

I'm sure that's not gonna be mentioned when you bring up how the Spanish are all evil for not backing Asnar.

 

Although, lord knows, you'd have a coronary if the Socialists were running Spain and then attacks occured due to their indifference to warnings about terrorists.

 

(I don't have anything specific to back this up, but, I wouldn't be stunned if you were fuming against Clinton in regards to claims about Sudan and bin Laden)

 

[Guest MikeSC]

Short reply here..

 

Mike, putting aside the claims that the Spanish people are all cowards for not re-electing conservatives.

 

How about the claims that the Spanish could have arrested the people behind these attacks within the last year??

 

I'm sure that's not gonna be mentioned when you bring up how the Spanish are all evil for not backing Asnar.

 

Although, lord knows, you'd have a coronary if the Socialists were running Spain and then attacks occured due to their indifference to warnings about terrorists.

 

(I don't have anything specific to back this up, but, I wouldn't be stunned if you were fuming against Clinton in regards to claims about Sudan and bin Laden)

 

Nope. Clinton took a completely wrong approach towards the problem (it was an act of war, not a law enforcement issue), but hindsight is always 20/20. I don't blame Clinton for doing what I would have advocated at the time.

 

If Clinton did it TODAY --- you'd best I'd raise hell.

-=Mike

[monkey 0]

Look, even if the UK gets attacked nothing will change in respect to the "War on terror". The two major political parties both support the policy and having had to face decades of Irish terrorism while any attack would be horrendous it wont change the government position no matter who is in power.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

If Clinton did it TODAY --- you'd best I'd raise hell.

 

Let's quote the article here

 

Jamal Zougam, a Moroccan phone salesman who was arrested two days after the bombings, is emerging as the key suspect. Spanish law enforcement agencies had been aware of his alleged links to al-Qaida since at least 2001, when they searched his apartment.

 

Moroccan authorities, who considered Zougam a "very active terrorist," warned Spanish police in 2003 that he was returning to Spain, the Barcelona daily El Periodico reported.

 

But Acebes said that to his knowledge, there was no arrest warrant for Zougam before March 11

 

Care to raise any hell against the authorities in Spain, or the Popular Party in general over that fuckup?

 

I'd assume you'd be up in arms if the FBI under Clinton didn't go after a known AQ terrorist and then he killed a few hundred people. It seems the same can be said here. It was a massive fuckup. And massively screwing up so badly that you allow for a terrorist to kill hundreds, and then trying to pin it on another group will get you voted out of office.

 

On a more neutral note, here's a site going over the results of the election. It's pretty informative. And it has colorful maps, for the illiterate amongst us.

 

http://electionresources.org/es/index_en.html

 

And you can use this ( http://www.electionworld.org/election/spain.htm ) to speculate on who the PSOE will align with to get 175 seats

 

The PSOE will align with the IU for 169 seats, they could also align with the ERC. The CiU is more conservative-leaning.

[Guest MikeSC]

If Clinton did it TODAY --- you'd best I'd raise hell.

 

Let's quote the article here

 

Jamal Zougam, a Moroccan phone salesman who was arrested two days after the bombings, is emerging as the key suspect. Spanish law enforcement agencies had been aware of his alleged links to al-Qaida since at least 2001, when they searched his apartment.

 

Moroccan authorities, who considered Zougam a "very active terrorist," warned Spanish police in 2003 that he was returning to Spain, the Barcelona daily El Periodico reported.

 

But Acebes said that to his knowledge, there was no arrest warrant for Zougam before March 11

 

Care to raise any hell against the authorities in Spain, or the Popular Party in general over that fuckup?

Europe is LADEN with weak-willed pansies who want others to take care of the problems. Again, W. Europe had US covering them for 50 years and, thus, forgot how to act like adults when it is needed.

 

I didn't say the ruling party was great --- but they're better than the friggin' Socialist Party in this regard.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

I didn't say the ruling party was great --- but they're better than the friggin' Socialist Party in this regard.

 

Even with at least 10 parties on the ballot, there's only two legit choices in Spain. The PP and the PSOE. It's sorta like the two party system here, but without direct election of Presidents. (And, if we had the system here, we'd have Libertarians and Green Party guys winning a seat somewhere)

 

The PP was in power when the authorities weren't arresting known terrorists (prefering instead to do nothing)

 

The PP reacted to the attacks by blaming the ETA, even though the ETA trademark of a warning was missing. They continued to blame the ETA when the world knew Al-Qaida did it.

 

Which was enough to swing people over to the other choice.

 

The PP fucked up big time. The voters decided that was enough to boot them out of power.

 

Here's the voting results map. (Proving all of Spain to be filled by eeevil cowards. )

 

 

Well.. actually.. you can see the PP won more provinces as well. Although, that doesn't mean much.

[Anorak 0]

Look, even if the UK gets attacked nothing will change in respect to the "War on terror".  The two major political parties both support the policy and having had to face decades of Irish terrorism while any attack would be horrendous it wont change the government position no matter who is in power.

Exactly, hell will freeze over before we 'do a Spain'. Its silly to even suggest otherwise, not to mention cheeky.