Benoit is 'just a transitional champion'...

[Guest wildpegasus]

I'd be surprised if they don't do a Benoit/HBK feud over the title.

They'd have to be complete idiots not to, quite frankly. There would not be a better suited match than Benoit vs. HBK at Backlash in Edmonton. Can you imagine the heat? HBK would get significant more heat than Trips would in Edmonton. The feud writes itself.

I thought HBK was going to have knee surgery and retire? That's why we're supposedly going to have HHH vs. Benoit now, right?

I haven't heard anything about him retiring. Has anyone else?

No, I haven't heard anything about him retiring. THat's probably just people guessing. Either the ACL's not horrendously bad or Michaels is doing a good job of hiding it. I thought I remembered his forearm to the face spot having a little less wallop but I can't go back right now and watch Mania to get any clues on the severity of it. I believe Michaels did do some time off as far as house shows go but he did do a few triple threats before Mania. He does seem to be wrestling a little more lately.

[Darthtiki 0]

Who loves Hunter more Stephanie or Vince?

I believe that it's Steph but pulls the Daddy's girl act to keep Hunter on top, that's just my humble opinion. But shouldn't Hunter go to SD to go for the WWE title? Not to forget, but hasn't the World Title been tainted by the reign of one David Arquette (granted this was the Russo-fied Turner WCW days)?

 

 

See Blade: Trinity prevent future HHH title reigns

[TheBigSwigg 0]

As much as I hate to say it, I do think Benoit will end up dropping the belt before it's necessary. If they really wanted to build him up, they would've mentioned that he NEVER lost the World Title when it was the WCW belt. He left an UNDEFEATED Champ and they've completely ignored that. Also, if you watch the 92 Rumble where Flair goes the distance, they talk about Flair the whole time(Granted, Heenan was color commentator AND Flair's manager.), whereas in this years Rumble, Benoit is basically ignored until the end.

[Guest Anglesault]

By "effort" you mean having him be HHH and HBK's bitch for 2 months?  Or how about all those promotional packages with Benoit as the focal point?  Or how about that feud with Benoit as a focal point?  No... wait... I'm sorry, those 2 things never happened.  I think what you mean is "to put so much effort into that one match".

I think you're exaggerating things in order to make your point. It's not like Benoit was getting steamrollered every week by Trips and Michaels. He was just made to appear as an underdog,

I think Benoit was made to look like a third wheel.

 

HHH and HBK were trying to feud, and DAMNIT, that Benoit just wouldn't get out of their feud.

[Karc 0]

 

Jericho should have taken the torch from Micheals years ago, but too many top guys have it out for him.  Why else would he be booked to be a total pussy for Trish?

It's been well documented several tims over thta Jericho ahs been the one booking the Trish storyline. So if anyone has made him look like a bitch in that situation, it's Chris Jerico.

I'm pretty sure that Jericho hasn't been booking it for a while now.

There is NO way the WWE creative team would have given Y2J this much control for this long. The storyline has been going on since late November.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

As much as I hate to say it, I do think Benoit will end up dropping the belt before it's necessary.  If they really wanted to build him up, they would've mentioned that he NEVER lost the World Title when it was the WCW belt.  He left an UNDEFEATED Champ and they've completely ignored that.  Also, if you watch the 92 Rumble where Flair goes the distance, they talk about Flair the whole time(Granted, Heenan was color commentator AND Flair's manager.), whereas in this years Rumble, Benoit is basically ignored until the end.

The WCW Belt and the current World Title are not the same championship. The WCW lineage is in the WWE Title (formerly the Undisputed Championship) held by Eddy Guerrero.

 

When Brock Lesnar jumped to Smackdown after he beat Rock for the Undisputed Title, Bischoff created a new World Championship and gave it to HHH in the form of the same physical belt as the old WCW World Championship. The title history begins there. Lesnar's Undisputed Title was never split up, it was simply remade into the WWE Championship.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

By "effort" you mean having him be HHH and HBK's bitch for 2 months?  Or how about all those promotional packages with Benoit as the focal point?  Or how about that feud with Benoit as a focal point?  No... wait... I'm sorry, those 2 things never happened.  I think what you mean is "to put so much effort into that one match".

I think you're exaggerating things in order to make your point. It's not like Benoit was getting steamrollered every week by Trips and Michaels. He was just made to appear as an underdog,

I think Benoit was made to look like a third wheel.

 

HHH and HBK were trying to feud, and DAMNIT, that Benoit just wouldn't get out of their feud.

Yep, and he ended up kicking both their asses. That's why it worked in retrospect. They were ignoring him and he ended up beating them both, while they couldn't keep their egos in check.

[Guest Choken One]

 

Jericho should have taken the torch from Micheals years ago, but too many top guys have it out for him.  Why else would he be booked to be a total pussy for Trish?

It's been well documented several tims over thta Jericho ahs been the one booking the Trish storyline. So if anyone has made him look like a bitch in that situation, it's Chris Jerico.

I'm pretty sure that Jericho hasn't been booking it for a while now.

There is NO way the WWE creative team would have given Y2J this much control for this long. The storyline has been going on since late November.

Yeah they would...

 

 

They wanted to keep Jericho out of the Evolution spotlight and create another big heel in Christian...So Jericho being the pop culture freak he is, decides to go with the Standard Teen Movie/Dawson/OC storyline...

 

In all honesty, I didn't expect, back in mid-november when this baby got started that CHRISTIAN of all people would be the shows #2 heel and that Jericho would fall all the way to the #4 face status (Benoit, Austin, HBK).

[Guest Deviant]

Sorry if it was mentioned in the middle pages, as I'm in a hurry, but HHH and Benoit won't be on the same roster after next week. This so-called news is just more playing to popular prejudice that the net loves so much. It probably came from the same idiot who said Benoit wasn't winning at Mania when to anyone looking at it rationally, there was no way he was losing.

 

Benoit and Eddie with both probably hold until at least SummerSlam.

[TheBigSwigg 0]

The WCW Belt and the current World Title are not the same championship. The WCW lineage is in the WWE Title (formerly the Undisputed Championship) held by Eddy Guerrero.

 

I recall seeing a Confidential piece on the history of the World Heavyweight Championship in which they give the WCW lineage to the RAW belt. That's why I brought that up

[Guest wildpegasus]

Sorry if it was mentioned in the middle pages, as I'm in a hurry, but HHH and Benoit won't be on the same roster after next week. This so-called news is just more playing to popular prejudice that the net loves so much. It probably came from the same idiot who said Benoit wasn't winning at Mania when to anyone looking at it rationally, there was no way he was losing.

 

Benoit and Eddie with both probably hold until at least SummerSlam.

How do you know Benoit and HHH won't be on the same shows? Is that official news?

[Guest Askewniverse]

The WCW Belt and the current World Title are not the same championship. The WCW lineage is in the WWE Title (formerly the Undisputed Championship) held by Eddy Guerrero.

Kahran's right. WWE recognizes them as separate titles. If you check Goldberg's profile, he's credited as being both a former WCW Champion and World Heavyweight Champion.

[Hektik 0]

I recall seeing a Confidential piece on the history of the World Heavyweight Championship in which they give the WCW lineage to the RAW belt.  That's why I brought that up

I remeber that confidential piece pissing me off. The WWE and their revisionist history also tried giving the Raw world title the NWA title lineage as well. Mean Gene said the "NWA title morphed into the WCW title" which is crap since they were never the same title.

[Darthtiki 0]

Shouldn't then by that rationale be a Smackdown world title and then have the two champs on each show duke it out for the WWE title at the big 4 PPVs, granted Hunter would control that strap but it would make for better tv

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

WWE makes up their own title lineages as they go along.

 

I can accept the WCW title lineage being in the Raw title. It was put into the Undisputed title...and if they claim that they pulled the "World (formerly WCW) title" out of it again and handed it to HHH...that's fine.

 

The problem isn't that...it's that the WCW title didn't have much meaning after WCW was sold to WWE. Pulling it back out and handing it to a guy didn't exactly make its stock rise either. But I don't see why it wouldn't keep the lineage intact.

 

 

The NWA title into the WCW title is more complicated. The NWA was still a governing body...and still had say over their titles...just as they do now. When Flair jumped to the WWF the NWA title was declared vacant for the first time and Chono would win it later That is where the clear break from the NWA lineage to anything else ends. According to the Wrestling Title history archive thing ( http://www.wrestling-titles.com/nwa/world/nwa-h.html ) the NWA at least considered continuing it's business with the WCW title when Luger won the vacant title...but they don't acknowledge it today.

 

The NWA lineage is in Jarrett's belt. The WCW lineage is in Benoit's belt. The WWE lineage is in Guerrero's belt.

 

You can make the argument that the WCW lineage is also in Eddy's belt...and that Benoit's only goes back to when Bischoff handed it to HHH...and that's fine too. I can certainly see it that way.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

The WCW Belt and the current World Title are not the same championship. The WCW lineage is in the WWE Title (formerly the Undisputed Championship) held by Eddy Guerrero.

 

When Brock Lesnar jumped to Smackdown after he beat Rock for the Undisputed Title, Bischoff created a new World Championship and gave it to HHH in the form of the same physical belt as the old WCW World Championship. The title history begins there. Lesnar's Undisputed Title was never split up, it was simply remade into the WWE Championship.

 

The WCW lineage is in HHH's belt as shown on Confidential and in the Unforgiven 2002 Intro. The moment Bischoff took the former WCW title out of the trash can and gave it to HHH, the Undisputed Championship was no longer and the titles were no longer unified. WWE just kept the UDC design for the WWE Championship.

 

WWE recognizes them as separate titles. If you check Goldberg's profile, he's credited as being both a former WCW Champion and World Heavyweight Champion.

 

Well, WWE doesn't really have a choice seeing that WCW is well dead.

 

 

And the by the way, I really don't care about this thread since Benoit won the title at WM.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Confidential also says the NWA title is in there too. They say a lot of things on Confidential.

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

When the fuck will Sunday Night Heat come back to Australia, bringing Confidential and Velocity with it?

 

Although, that could make things worse, considering Jobber of the Week's valid point regarding over-exposure, at least in the United States.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

Aye, you too must remember the good 'ole days of HeAt on FOX SPORTS in '99, when guys like The Undertaker, Kane, X-Pac and Mankind actually showed up and wrestled on there.

 

UYI

[Guest DeathBecomesYou]

When the fuck will Sunday Night Heat come back to Australia, bringing Confidential and Velocity with it?

I'd love to see Heat, Velocity and Confidential back on TV in Australia, but honestly I don't know where they'd fit it in, especially since the cunts at Fox Sports don't want to show wrestling anymore.

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

While it would cloud the one network, Fox 8 show so much bullshit, so many free-to-air rejects that I'm sure that they could make a cut or three.

 

And off the record... Fuck WNA.

[clean rob 0]

By "effort" you mean having him be HHH and HBK's bitch for 2 months?  Or how about all those promotional packages with Benoit as the focal point?  Or how about that feud with Benoit as a focal point?  No... wait... I'm sorry, those 2 things never happened.  I think what you mean is "to put so much effort into that one match".

I think you're exaggerating things in order to make your point. It's not like Benoit was getting steamrollered every week by Trips and Michaels. He was just made to appear as an underdog,

I think Benoit was made to look like a third wheel.

 

HHH and HBK were trying to feud, and DAMNIT, that Benoit just wouldn't get out of their feud.

Kind of, but then given the basic premise (i.e. the triple threat match), what else could have been done? HHH and HBK were feuding, and had a long and storied history between the two. Benoit turns up and says he wants the title, but has no recent history with either man that can be played off in the feud.

 

So, in a sense, yes he was the third wheel. But he wasn't made out to be inferior, and he wasn't made out to be 'butting in' on the feud...indeed HBK was the man sneaking into the match by rather heel-ish tactics.

[Guest Trivia247]

First of all......

 

Fuck all those gloom and doom Oh Hes just a transitional Champion blah blah blah don't get to comfy with Benoit as champ. Don't... No DON'T!!!

 

We are aware he is a transitional Champ. Pretty Much every wrestler on Raw who somehow manages to be come champion are transitional ones since the belt always return to HHH like he Surgecially implanted Magnets in his gut or something.

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

I say he retains through Backlash and probably loses it at Bad Blod or whatever the June PPV is.

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

I think that we should enjoy him with it while he has it, and see where things go.

 

What do you think?

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Hey, guess what? If Brock didn't quit, Eddy would be a transitional champion too. And that is more because they probably don't know what to do yet.

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

Hey, guess what? If Brock didn't quit, Eddy would be a transitional champion too.

 

Hey, don't count your chickens yet. There is a Draft coming up.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

Hey, guess what? If Brock didn't quit, Eddy would be a transitional champion too. And that is more because they probably don't know what to do yet.

 

Actually what Meltzer was saying was that one of the reasons Brock was upset was because Eddie WASN'T a transition champion... the belt wasn't coming back to him, which made him more upset than when he lost it to Big Show or Angle, because he knew it was coming back to him.

[treble 0]

The WCW lineage is in HHH's belt as shown on Confidential and in the Unforgiven 2002 Intro. The moment Bischoff took the former WCW title out of the trash can and gave it to HHH, the Undisputed Championship was no longer and the titles were no longer unified. WWE just kept the UDC design for the WWE Championship.

Bullshit. WWE could say that the title lineage goes back to ancient Rome, but that doesn't make it true. If they had done some angle splitting the Undisputed title between Brock and HHH, I could buy that the Raw belt and the WCW title are the same, but Brock never lost any part of the title before jumping to SmackDown exclusively. The WCW lineage is in the title Guerrero has while Benoit's title goes back to September 2002.

 

Don't get me wrong, though, I'm thrilled that Benoit won a World Title at WrestleMania, since, in WWE's eyes at least the belts are pretty much equal.

[muzz 0]

When the fuck will Sunday Night Heat come back to Australia, bringing Confidential and Velocity with it?

I'd love to see Heat, Velocity and Confidential back on TV in Australia, but honestly I don't know where they'd fit it in, especially since the cunts at Fox Sports don't want to show wrestling anymore.

I can't remember the reason they dropped Raw and Heat in the first place. Was it something about WWE making them pay through the roof?