Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 20, 2004 Wih the feud over, we can now look at this feud in it's finished state and decide if they made the right decission by just totally pretending January never happened. As you all know, for whatever reason the WWE decided to run Kurt/Eddie interaction for all of January where, no matter how hard people tried, they couldn't find a way to make sense of Kurt's character motivation without either totally erasing huge portions of Kurt, Eddie and Chavo's WWE/F career and/or creating completely new history for them. In short, it was an awful, awful idea to start the interaction that way (Not necessarily that early). Since the Smackdown Rumble, though, everything they tried (Well, with the exception of Kurt somehow knocking himself out, and then one coward week, but who really cares) worked perfectly, as everything that Kurt and Eddie did made sense for both of their characters. Anyway, after the turn but before the explanation, there was a fairly big debate about the month of January. Myself and a couple of others decided that since January was such a huge festering pile of shit, it would be best for all parties involved to just forget that it happened. Others argued that while it was bad, they didn't like the idea of forgetting a month of build. Still others actually tried to claim that January somehow worked. Well, the WWE went with the "Forget it all together" plan, and I'd say they did a damn good job. Do you guys think they made the right choice? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2004 Yeah, I do. It doesn't change the fact nor excuse them dumping the January storyline, but it was a wise decison to drop it. Their follow-up decison wasn't the smartest one either, but it was probably worlds better then what we would've gotten had the January storyline come into play. I fucking love Eddy Guerrero. Sometimes I think I love Eddy the person more then Eddy the wrestler as I harbour a great deal of respect for people who are able to kick an addiction, no matter what it may be. But how am I supposed to understand what he's going through when it's never happened to me? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted March 20, 2004 we got a **** match out of the deal...Yea it worked. I never cared for the Build-up...I knew we would get a **** match regardless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted March 20, 2004 I liked Angle's motivation for why he turned on Eddie. It was almost like he was trying to justify his jealously by being so Puritanical. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest hunger4unger Report post Posted March 20, 2004 The build up wasn't *great* in my eyes but JUST about solid enough leading into Mania. I wouldn't rate Angle/Eddie at Mania ****. *** is my personal opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 20, 2004 I liked Angle's motivation for why he turned on Eddie. It was almost like he was trying to justify his jealously by being so Puritanical. The only problem I had was that Angle was either in the right or I'm an evil person, because I totally understood Kurt's point(s). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2004 I liked Angle's motivation for why he turned on Eddie. It was almost like he was trying to justify his jealously by being so Puritanical. The only problem I had was that Angle was either in the right or I'm an evil person, because I totally understood Kurt's point(s). What points exactly? The bit with the handcuffs was GOLD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted March 20, 2004 I liked Angle's motivation for why he turned on Eddie. It was almost like he was trying to justify his jealously by being so Puritanical. The only problem I had was that Angle was either in the right or I'm an evil person, because I totally understood Kurt's point(s). With a good heel turn, you DO understand the heel's points. You don't always agree with them, but you understand why they feel the way they did. Kurt's character was clearly jealous of Eddie's popularity and success. He also resented Eddie because he (Angle) never did drugs and has played by the rules ever since he became a face; yet Eddie succeeded. Keep in mind that Angle was, in a way, cheated by his former friend (Brock Lesnar) out of the title. Perhaps HE wanted to beat Brock at 'Mania to avenge his previous loss. It all comes together very nicely and was entertaining to watch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kardo 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2004 The problem was to me that Kurt/Eddie didn't convey the build up to the match in the actual match... Still it was a good match, but to me it didn't match up with what they were building up to. Should have doen something along the lines of Kurt is cold and sadistic in the match and Eddy is struggling. Then whenever Eddie cheats to come back to an advantage Angle goes ballistic. Plus after the match Angle should have just stared Eddy down cold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 20, 2004 . He also resented Eddie because he (Angle) never did drugs and has played by the rules ever since he became a face; yet Eddie succeeded This is what I mean. Kurt kind of had a point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest I Got Banned for Sucking Report post Posted March 20, 2004 The feud actually made sense, just like that of SmackDown!'s WrestleMania Main Event last year. No stupidity, and no twists after Kurt's turn. Just a nice, entertaining feud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 20, 2004 The feud actually made sense, just like that of SmackDown!'s WrestleMania Main Event last year. McMahon/Hogan? Because I know you can't be praising Angle/Lesnar, a feud that received serious contention for WFotY around here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JRE Report post Posted March 20, 2004 The red turtleneck was a great psycho-heel outfit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest I Got Banned for Sucking Report post Posted March 20, 2004 I am talking about Angle/Lesnar. The feud itself may not have been anything special, but it had quite a few things done with it that made it special. The red turtleneck was a great psycho-heel outfit. It was - also great were Kurt's actions when he appeared live on SmackDown! after a promo "live via satellite." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest I Got Banned for Sucking Report post Posted March 20, 2004 And I fail to see how it (the Angle/Lesnar feud) can be bashed when you have something like Hulk Hogan/Vince McMahon. Not for WrestleMania XIX, but Mr. America. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 20, 2004 The red turtleneck was a great psycho-heel outfit. I thought the red turtleneck was kind of fruity looking, actually. And I fail to see how it (the Angle/Lesnar feud) can be bashed when you have something like Hulk Hogan/Vince McMahon. Length. Angle/Lesnar ran from January to November (You can even say December 02-November 03) and was just never any good. The first third featured worthless, bumbling loser of a heel Angle, the middle part featured the gay storyline, something that, to this day, I don't get, and then we had worthless, bumbling loser of a heel Lesnar. The feud itself may not have been anything special, but it had quite a few things done with it that made it special. Such as? Making the champion, his manager, his proteges, his associate (Big Show) and his brother look totally worthless? They were going at Brock two and three at a time and getting killed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted March 20, 2004 Nah...The red turtleneck was great because it was totally different then T-Shirts we often see Angle wearing or the dressy attire Evolution wears...The fact it was so unusual in the wrestling environment made even better and made that quiet evilness come out more... Although the REAL kicker was the Chest hair...that fully transformed him into the great heel he was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2004 The build-up doesn't matter for a damn minute, because that's not why people watch. The match was awesome, and that's what matters. Kudos to both guys for pulling it off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted March 20, 2004 Build Up is crucial. Look at Savage/Flair WM8 for example...the build up MADE that match even better...The match revolved around the build up... I feel Build-Up can only ADD to a match, not detract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 20, 2004 Nah...The red turtleneck was great because it was totally different then T-Shirts we often see Angle wearing or the dressy attire Evolution wears...The fact it was so unusual in the wrestling environment made even better and made that quiet evilness come out more... Eh, I don't know. I think their are only certain times when a non-flamboyant man should even bother with a turtleneck, and even then, only in black and grey. A bright red turtleneck would get you shot up here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted March 20, 2004 It also gave a Mr. Rogers like image...and that's kinda of who Angle was trying to be...Mr. Morality. So instead of wearing the track suit that he usually did, he sat there with the nice background wearing a red turtleneck, looking as if he wasn't a dangerous man and was a nice gentle guy when in reality he was a posessed madman. Kind of like how Kane looked his most EVIL during the Dinner with Shane segment...wearing bondage suits is one thing but when he wore the dress pants and nice black shirt...he looked even MORE evil then before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2004 Build Up is crucial. Look at Savage/Flair WM8 for example...the build up MADE that match even better...The match revolved around the build up... I feel Build-Up can only ADD to a match, not detract. That does it. I'm going to make a new thread about my crazy theories. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 20, 2004 It also gave a Mr. Rogers like image...and that's kinda of who Angle was trying to be...Mr. Morality. So instead of wearing the track suit that he usually did, he sat there with the nice background wearing a red turtleneck, looking as if he wasn't a dangerous man and was a nice gentle guy when in reality he was a posessed madman. Kind of like how Kane looked his most EVIL during the Dinner with Shane segment...wearing bondage suits is one thing but when he wore the dress pants and nice black shirt...he looked even MORE evil then before. Personally, I don't think that there is some huge reason for that shirt, it was probably just something he threw on, but I do admit, you probably couldn't look less threatening than he did when he was wearing that shirt, which kind of made the cold stare even more creepy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted March 20, 2004 The VERY image, That Sold Angle's heel turn to me was when he showed up when Eddy was handcuffed... He walked out slowly, taping his hands, didn't make much facial gestures and just stalked Eddy down as if to say "It's time for your ass-kicking"...he didn't chase him...he drew Eddy to him. and the creepy stare was nice too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 20, 2004 The VERY image, That Sold Angle's heel turn to me was when he showed up when Eddy was handcuffed... More than that, Eddie, the top babyface and world champion looking scared shitless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest I Got Banned for Sucking Report post Posted March 20, 2004 That is the best-done scene that I've seen WWE do for quite a while. Gripping - my chest was tight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMann2003 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2004 It looked as if Angle was thinking "this is gonna hurt me more than it hurts you" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest I Got Banned for Sucking Report post Posted March 20, 2004 Just great fucking storytelling for a change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clean rob 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2004 The VERY image, That Sold Angle's heel turn to me was when he showed up when Eddy was handcuffed... More than that, Eddie, the top babyface and world champion looking scared shitless. Absolutely. The 'Shit. Oh shit.' look on Eddie's face was GOLD, as was his 'Come on then, just hit me and get it over with!' schtick later on in the segment. And I agree with Choken about the build-up stuff. A match can seem much better than it really is if the build has been good, but a match with bad build up is no worse (if not better) than a match with no build at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest I Got Banned for Sucking Report post Posted March 20, 2004 A match can seem much better than it really is if the build has been good I disagree. Take a look at WrestleMania XX. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
