Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted March 21, 2004 7. He did not want to feud with the Undertaker. 'Taker had been telling people that he would "set Brock straight" and humble him if he didn't show veterans respect. I don't buy that shit at all. Taker isn't going to pick a legit fight with a National Champion amateur wrestler. You'd need some kind of an edge... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JacK Report post Posted March 21, 2004 If he wanted a longer title reign he should've married Stephanie . . . obviously that's the only way to do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wrestlingbs Report post Posted March 21, 2004 I'd like to know how the Torch got these "reasons" from Brock. Did he just call them up and say, "Here's why I quit, in order of importance:...?" Sounds like pure speculation. Still, I'm pissed at Brock for leaving. If for anything it was flipping off the crowd (he sure looked like he meant it) that did him in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 I will admit that I have a little bias towards Brock because he could put on great matches. I said before all this broke out that he would be the best wrestler in WWE in a year or 2. It dissapoints me that I won't be able to see a rematch between him and Guerrero or my dream match of him and Benoit in a 35 minute PPV match. Well, here's to hoping he washes out of the NFL and comes crawling back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted March 21, 2004 I'd like to know how the Torch got these "reasons" from Brock. Did he just call them up and say, "Here's why I quit, in order of importance:...?" Sounds like pure speculation. Still, I'm pissed at Brock for leaving. If for anything it was flipping off the crowd (he sure looked like he meant it) that did him in. He DID mean it. I think in the interview he did recently (or news I read) he said he was really annoyed with how the crowd was acting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JHawk 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 I'd like to know how the Torch got these "reasons" from Brock. Did he just call them up and say, "Here's why I quit, in order of importance:...?" Sounds like pure speculation. Still, I'm pissed at Brock for leaving. If for anything it was flipping off the crowd (he sure looked like he meant it) that did him in. He DID mean it. I think in the interview he did recently (or news I read) he said he was really annoyed with how the crowd was acting. Had he waited until after WrestleMania to tell anybody (or at the very least given proper notice), the crowd probably would have been indifferent toward it. That crowd brought back memories of ECW... ::sniff:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 Tell me about it, they ripped him a new proverbial asshole, and I am still in total and utter shock when I watch the match. Oh, and after reading the 'reasons' he left, I can't help feeling anything but happy that he's gone. If he doesn't love the business, there is absolutely no point in him staying, and even less point in pushing him above guys that have given their lives for the business and deserve it more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 2. He didn't love pro-wrestling. Brock got into wrestling for the money. He actually hated pro-wrestling when he was a standout amateur wrestler. 6. He was embarrassed that walk up ticket sales to WWE house shows went up after he dropped the WWE Title to Eddie Guerrero. So, it's like Goldberg all over again. This is unfortunate, because Lesnar actually could carry an Orton or other dead weight to **1/2 when he really tried to put effort into it. Oh well. to him. Also, if I was a new hiree of WWE, my first act would be to become good friends with Undertaker. It seems that one's career can go a lot farther by sucking up to him, probably more than anyone else in the locker room. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dids Report post Posted March 21, 2004 I thought Brock was developing a great character, and I was really looking forward to watching him in the future. His reasons for leaving are his own, and all I can say is that I'll miss seeing him perform. Co-signed. If the guy wasn't enjoying it any more and wanted to do something else, who are any of you to talk shit about him. Should he continue to be unhappy just because you like watching him wrestle? All of you "Fuck You Brock" folks sound like really spoiled little children. I'd do the pot/kettle/black joke but it's been beaten into the ground. Explain to me how Brock is acting like a spoiled kid? He's not happy doing something, so he's moving on to something that makes him happy. It's well within his rights. If you're in a job you don't like, you leave. It's what grown-ups do all the time. I'm thankful that there's a bunch of crazy fuckers who are willing to let people drop them on their heads for my entertainment. That said, I'll never be upset if anybody ever wants to stop. I may not agree with the reasons that Brock had for being unhappy (I do think he was horribly booked over the past several months), but I won't be upset with him for doing what he felt would make him happy. That's what life is about, and fuck those people who expect you to cater to their wishes and desires. Seems like Brock's only failing is not caring about wrestling as much as a bunch of obsessive kids on the internet who cling to every rumor like it's fact and take what ends up being a business far to personally. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted March 21, 2004 He'll come slithering back. Don't ever forget that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted March 21, 2004 I thought Brock was developing a great character, and I was really looking forward to watching him in the future. His reasons for leaving are his own, and all I can say is that I'll miss seeing him perform. Co-signed. If the guy wasn't enjoying it any more and wanted to do something else, who are any of you to talk shit about him. Should he continue to be unhappy just because you like watching him wrestle? All of you "Fuck You Brock" folks sound like really spoiled little children. I'd do the pot/kettle/black joke but it's been beaten into the ground. Explain to me how Brock is acting like a spoiled kid? He's not happy doing something, so he's moving on to something that makes him happy. It's well within his rights. If you're in a job you don't like, you leave. It's what grown-ups do all the time. I'm thankful that there's a bunch of crazy fuckers who are willing to let people drop them on their heads for my entertainment. That said, I'll never be upset if anybody ever wants to stop. I may not agree with the reasons that Brock had for being unhappy (I do think he was horribly booked over the past several months), but I won't be upset with him for doing what he felt would make him happy. That's what life is about, and fuck those people who expect you to cater to their wishes and desires. Seems like Brock's only failing is not caring about wrestling as much as a bunch of obsessive kids on the internet who cling to every rumor like it's fact and take what ends up being a business far to personally. I have no beef with him leaving (I'd rather he leave than half-ass it in the ring until his contract expires) --- but the lack of notice IS a problem. And the timing WAS real bad. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 He'll come slithering back. Don't ever forget that. He'll get a Kevin Nash push... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ray Report post Posted March 21, 2004 But no, of course he wasn't pushed too quickly...... Exactly. Do you assholes ever get tired of bitching? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 Seems like Brock's only failing is not caring about wrestling as much as a bunch of obsessive kids on the internet who cling to every rumor like it's fact and take what ends up being a business far to personally. Normally, I'd agree with you. And doubly so on the "doing what you like to do" thing. But he isn't just leaving, he's kicking dirt on the company as he leaves by saying he had the world on a silver platter and still hated working there. And hey, if you want to do that, again, normally I'd say fine. If you hate Vince McMahon, or you hate his organization, you sure as hell are not alone. But the problem then comes in where he says that if things don't work out, he wouldn't rule out returning. Uh.... HELLO!? *This* is where I draw a line. I can't figure it out. He hates doing it, he publically says so, but he wouldn't mind doing it if he couldn't make money elsewhere. There's no conclusive evidence he was a long-term draw and now no reason why McMahon would want to take him back. You can argue that WWE needs Lesnar more than Lesnar needs WWE at this point. True, but I hope, even though I liked what the guy brought to the table, that they don't re-hire him. We saw what "improvements" that kind of thing causes when the company practically went begging back to Steve Austin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 21, 2004 He could've given a bit more notice, but otherwise I've no problem with Brock calling it a day. He's a young man in his prime health wise, if he's not happy with his choice in career then he's doing the smart thing by looking for a new one before he's just another broken down old man like half of the current roster. ......well, besides the fact he's screwing over a company that's invested so much into him, sorely needs him at this time, Oh, for the love of God, their big plans for Brock were "feed him to the Undertaker" That's not such a specific role that only Brock Lesnar could play and him stepping out has totally thrown that storyline for a loop. If they had planned something even somewhat important for him, I could see you saying that he was "sorely needed". But if they weren't gonna do anything with him anyway, so his leaving isn't ducking out when he's "sorely needed" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 He could've given a bit more notice, but otherwise I've no problem with Brock calling it a day. He's a young man in his prime health wise, if he's not happy with his choice in career then he's doing the smart thing by looking for a new one before he's just another broken down old man like half of the current roster. ......well, besides the fact he's screwing over a company that's invested so much into him, sorely needs him at this time, Oh, for the love of God, their big plans for Brock were "feed him to the Undertaker" That's not such a specific role that only Brock Lesnar could play and him stepping out has totally thrown that storyline for a loop. If they had planned something even somewhat important for him, I could see you saying that he was "sorely needed". But if they weren't gonna do anything with him anyway, so his leaving isn't ducking out when he's "sorely needed" WWE is struggling for wrestlers right now. Goldberg was already leaving. Rock was only staying for approximately three weeks. Triple H is going off to do movies. Kurt Angle's neck was bound to fail again, and Vince probably knew that. Foley's not a full-time wrestler. Shawn Michaels has a torn ACL. Big Show wanted to take time off to get surgery and heal certain body parts. All these guys are leaving, or WILL be leaving WWE, for a relatively long period of time - some of them perhaps even ending a WWE career. WWE is struggling to keep Main Eventers. This is why they're trying to build them right now. The effort IS being made with Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, John Cena, Randy Orton..... But that's not enough. They had a marquee Pay-Per-View feud with the Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar. Something that would at least be safe for some PPV buys from the Smackdown public. A match that has two Main Eventers on a brand that was struggling for those big matches. And Brock left. Face the facts. He ditched a company that needed him at this time. All these injuries and breaks are piling up at a terrible time. Brock needed to fill in some holes in the company.....and he left. If he wants to pursue a career in the NFL, fine. But he should have waited until some of these guys came back, and WWE could get somewhat back on their feet with the Main Event scene. Yet.....AGAIN......he left. Call him what you want. I call him an asshole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 But no, of course he wasn't pushed too quickly...... Exactly. Do you assholes ever get tired of bitching? You have the facts staring at you in the face! They gave him EVERYTHING. They handed him the Heavyweight Title FOUR months into his WWE career. He was at the top of the company in what has to be a record amount of time. They gave him everything so QUICKLY that he no longer had anything to work for, and he quickly became bored of the wrestling business. Plus, we have to mention the stories that have been told about his ego - you know, the ego that has become even more massive after reading some of this interviews. Yet, you still hold this belief that his career was handled just fine and us "assholes" should just stop "bitching." Use some fuckin logic! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 21, 2004 WWE is struggling for wrestlers right now Then they shouldn't be wasting the ones they have. But that's not enough. They had a marquee Pay-Per-View feud with the Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar. Something that would at least be safe for some PPV buys from the Smackdown public The No Mercy PPV's did well? I really didn't know that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 But that's not enough. They had a marquee Pay-Per-View feud with the Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar. Something that would at least be safe for some PPV buys from the Smackdown public The No Mercy PPV's did well? I really didn't know that. It didn't do great ratings-wise. But it's still a Main Event caliber match. How many more Main Event type matches could you make using the guys on Smackdown? Presuming that Angle is gone with his injury, Show's taking time off for his surgery, and Edge is moving to Raw. Eddie/Taker? Eddie/Cena? Taker/Cena? ...... Seems to be about it. Brock was NEEDED on Smackdown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 Hence...they need to PUSH the guys they have! Some of them have potential to go a long way if just given the chance to let the fans get behind them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 They gave him EVERYTHING. They handed him the Heavyweight Title FOUR months into his WWE career. He was at the top of the company in what has to be a record amount of time. They gave him everything so QUICKLY that he no longer had anything to work for, and he quickly became bored of the wrestling business. Plus, we have to mention the stories that have been told about his ego - you know, the ego that has become even more massive after reading some of this interviews. You're acting like Brock didn't give everything. Brock worked hurt, hell, I'd got as so far to say that he worked with an injury for the majority of his time there. He put the effort in up until the last day. Brock worked the house shows, he worked the long matches, he worked through the pain. Brock owes them NOTHING. They deserve NOTHING. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 21, 2004 But that's not enough. They had a marquee Pay-Per-View feud with the Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar. Something that would at least be safe for some PPV buys from the Smackdown public The No Mercy PPV's did well? I really didn't know that. It didn't do great ratings-wise. Something that would at least be safe for some PPV buys from the Smackdown public So you're admitting that you just randomly decided that this would happen. (Fans buying the show for it) when they wouldn't do it in 02 or 03. Brock was needed on Smackdown, but the WWE decided they were just gonna use him as a job boy to Undertaker for whatever reason. This was gonna be as much of a "main event feud" as Brock/Holly should have been. The WWE did not NEED to have one of their top heels destroyed (And that word, along with "annihilated" were the words that were used to describe what WWE planned to have Taker do to Brock) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 Well, of course. WWE is certainly not without fault here..... But it's ridiculous that people are letting Brock off the hook here. Yes, Vince has made mistakes with this roster. This is why he's in this situation right now. Doesn't change the fact that Brock is walking out of the company that MADE HIM just when they really NEED HIM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 Do they really need someone who doesn't want to be doing it? Do they need someone unhappy? Think of the damage that could cause. In the locker room and in the ring. They need that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 You're acting like Brock didn't give everything. Sometimes he did. Sometimes he didn't. You can't tell me he didn't drag his feet terribly in that match at the Royal Rumble with Hardcore Holly. Brock worked hurt, hell, I'd got as so far to say that he worked with an injury for the majority of his time there. Nearly everyone else on the roster is working hurt. And why would you say he's been working with an injury for most of his time there.....? I don't remember hearing anything about any injury Brock has. Shawn has a torn ACL....Cena had a broken hand and strained ligaments....Show needs surgery......they all worked through their matches without bitching. I don't recall reading anything about any outstanding injury Brock has. But....hence, the bitching still comes. He put the effort in up until the last day. Sure! Well....except for the fact that he showed an unbelievable lack of effort in that match with Goldberg. Brock worked the house shows, he worked the long matches, he worked through the pain Nothing that most of the roster doesn't do. And besides, it's something the Heavyweight Champion SHOULD do. Hell, he wants a longer title reign - he should expect stuff like this. Brock owes them NOTHING. I would say he owes SOMETHING to the company that completely made him what he is today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 21, 2004 You're acting like Brock didn't give everything. Sometimes he did. Sometimes he didn't. You can't tell me he didn't drag his feet terribly in that match at the Royal Rumble with Hardcore Holly. Look at it this way. It's Bob Holly. Brock was booked AWFULY in the whole Holly feud. He carries Holly to a good match, Vince might decide to continue the Hell for Brock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 Sometimes he did. Sometimes he didn't. You can't tell me he didn't drag his feet terribly in that match at the Royal Rumble with Hardcore Holly. I'd venture to say he did a lot more than he didn't. I can't tell you because I didn't see the match. Lesnars match with Guerrero a month after and with Benoit a month before, however, I did see. And Brock was very much game for it. Nearly everyone else on the roster is working hurt. And why would you say he's been working with an injury for most of his time there.....? I don't remember hearing anything about any injury Brock has. Shawn has a torn ACL....Cena had a broken hand and strained ligaments....Show needs surgery......they all had no problems working through their matches. I don't recall reading anything about any outstanding injury Brock has. Broken Ribs against Big Show (where he F-5d him), Torn Ligaments and Cartilage in his leg, the neck injury at Mania 19. He's had some of these at the same time and continued working. Sure! Well....except for the fact that he showed an unbelievable lack of effort in that match with Goldberg. Which was his last day Nothing that most of the roster doesn't do. And besides, it's something the Heavyweight Champion SHOULD do. Hell, he wants a longer title reign - he should expect stuff like this. But it's something that the big guys don't often do, at least, not as regularly as Brock did. Saying "the rest of the roster does it too" isn't valid because what the rest of the roster does is still insane by any measure. They have an unreasonable schedule and that's why you have so many wrestlers on drugs, and that's why you have so many wrestlers dying too early. Brock doesn't want that. Oh, SHAME ON HIM. I would say he owes SOMETHING to the company that completely made him what he is today. They wanted him. Remember that. He didn't come to the WWE and ask for a job, they offered him a shitload of money that he'd be stupid not to take. They pushed him. He doesn't owe them a thing. And they didn't "completely make him" because Lesnar had several options at the time of his signing. He wasn't some bum off the street, he was a prized catch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 I say WWE picks up Jim Neidhart as a short-term fix for the main-event scene. Might as well throw crap at the walls and see what sticks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 I don't think the WWE could afford another WWE Superstar forgetting their manners. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 Brock worked hurt, hell, I'd got as so far to say that he worked with an injury for the majority of his time there. He put the effort in up until the last day. Brock worked the house shows, he worked the long matches, he worked through the pain. Brock owes them NOTHING. They deserve NOTHING. Again, it boils down to the "I didn't like working in that phony sport but might choose to return to it if I can't make equally big money somewhere else" attitude that ought to sour anyone who considers themselves a fan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites