Brock Lesnars

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I don't feel soured.

 

With Goldberg, who didn't like wrestling and was only in it for the money, I didn't like that attitude because it affected his ring work. He didn't want to learn and he didn't want to improve. Lesnar, however, learned and improved. His ring work wasn't effected and he performed very well.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Wow, I actually agree with NY U. for once. What the fuck is with the verbal blow jobs for Brock Lesnar?

 

And I still don't have proof about the "UT is destroying Brock" feud. Did anything happen on T.V. that proved this point? Or how bout that feud with Holly?

 

"WOW! Brock had to feud with Bob Holly for one PPV where he wins clean! Dear GOD a Main Eventer never did that before!"

 

cough:Undertaker feuding with countless midcarders in 2002:cough

 

Or how about that HHH/BUBBA RAY DUDLEY feud where Bubba always got the best of HHH in verbal confrontations.

 

Or maybe The Rock/HURRICANE where Hurricane pinned Rock...semi-clean.

 

Or Kurt Angle/Essa Rios....oh, no one remembers that stupid 2 week long feud I bet.

 

Face it. The main eventer HAS to lower his standards for feuds once in a while. What makes him different than UT, HHH, Rock or Angle?

 

 

 

 

Back to the discussion, Like NY said, WWE is lacking main eventers in the long term.

 

Currently....

HHH = constantly injured, working movies now.

HBK = Tore his ACL, wil be out for a while too considering if the injury is bad enough.

Undertaker: Swithces from ME to Midcard within weeks. Has not one a Main Event feud in a long time. (Hogan & HHH in May-June 2002 If I'm correct)

Kurt Angle = On the verge of being Dynamite Kid 2.0

The Rock = IN hollywood 51 wks a year.

Big Show = Not the best ME threat.

 

Benoit/Guerrero = getting on in years. Benoit has a history of neck problems, and Eddie is not without injuries either.

 

Potential Main Eventers:

John Cena = Dear God, he's not ready.

Randy Orton = ...Do I NEED to comment?

Batista = ::Shudders::

[CanadianChick 0]

Or how about that HHH/BUBBA RAY DUDLEY feud where Bubba always got the best of HHH in verbal confrontations.

 

Or maybe The Rock/HURRICANE where Hurricane pinned Rock...semi-clean.

 

Or Kurt Angle/Essa Rios....oh, no one remembers that stupid 2 week long feud I bet.

I'm not a Brock defender, but those are stupid counter points.

 

Bubba/HHH never made it to a PPV.

 

Rock/Hurricane also never made it to a PPV. And Hurricane winning was portrayed as the biggest fluke ever. Hell, didn't Rock get his heat back by kicking the crap out of Hurricane the very next week anyways?

 

Kurt/Essa? Isn't that the one that Kurt said Essa didn't have a Greencard? You consider that a feud?

 

In case you haven't noticed, a two week program (which all the above examples are) is not the same as a month built, title feud.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Brock didn't even job to Holly. He just was afriad Holly would go psychotic and try and kill him.

 

 

How that is bad booking I don't understand. I don't agree with Holly's push, but it's not like Holly had a chance in hell of winning.

[Guest Anglesault]

Wow, I actually agree with NY U. for once. What the fuck is with the verbal blow jobs for Brock Lesnar?

 

And I still don't have proof about the "UT is destroying Brock" feud. Did anything happen on T.V. that proved this point

Nothing happened on TV to suggest that the feud was even gonna happen.

 

But somehow Brock got the impression that he was gonna get destroyed.

 

"WOW! Brock had to feud with Bob Holly for one PPV where he wins clean! Dear GOD a Main Eventer never did that before!"

 

Brock, the world champion had to act like he was afraid of Sparky Plug for three fucking months. That's absurd.

 

None of the other programs you mentioned lasted three months or had the ME running away from the midcarder even after he won clean.

[Vyce 0]

Too bad I'm just seeing this thread when it's three pages deep.

 

After reading those reasons, I'm afraid I have to adopt the popular opinion: FUCK Brock Lesnar.

 

I had been hoping he'd come back, once he realizes that he's just not good enough to play pro football. Now, I don't even want that.

 

If he crawls back to Vince, book him to job to everyone. I want to see the man lay down for Spike fucking Dudley. Better yet - job his ass on Velocity to Orlando Jordan.

 

EDIT: To those who don't understand why some of us are saying "Fuck Brock", Jobber summed it up best:

 

Again, it boils down to the "I didn't like working in that phony sport but might choose to return to it if I can't make equally big money somewhere else" attitude that ought to sour anyone who considers themselves a fan.

 

Bottom line.

 

It's not the "I'm not happy doing this anymore, I'm leaving" that pisses me off.

 

It's the complete and utter lack of respect and total disdain for the business that made him a fucking millionaire these past few years that pisses me off. In that regard, Brock's essentially no better than Goldberg.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Hmm, Time for Plan B.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Brock had nothing to do for Royal Rumble, which could explain the extended feud with Holly.

 

Eddie was finishing his feud with Chavo.

Benoit was being prepped for the World Title at WM and was in Rumble.

Cena was feuding with Show, but could've been a better opponent I guess.

 

The three top faces on Smackdown had other things to do. I notice I left Angle off, but really, that feud was played into the ground last year, and featured one of the most over-rated matches in recent history (the Iron Man)

[Guest Anglesault]

Hmm, Time for Plan B.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Brock had nothing to do for Royal Rumble, which could explain the extended feud with Holly.

You see, there was no need for a feud with Holly at all.

 

Sparky Plug was a big asshole loser who accomplished nothing in his ten years in the company and, thus, shouldn't have been perceived as a world title challenger.

 

Cena was feuding with Show

 

No he wasn't. They had zero interaction with each other after the Christmas Show and before the Rumble.

 

Cena was the obvious choice, with the only real negative being that those two have the Uncanny ability to bring out the very worst in each other and have never even come close to decent match.

 

Still better than Bob Holly.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

hmm...for some reason I thought Cena/Show just dragged on for 4 months. Or so it seemed.

[Guest Anglesault]

January was a REALLY fucked up month for the WWE.

 

BTW, Show chokeslammed Cena once, as part of the Show Rumble push, when he also got Chris Benoit. It had nothing to do with feuding with Cena.

Edited March 21, 2004 by Anglesault

[Guest Coffey]

Seems like Brock's only failing is not caring about wrestling as much as a bunch of obsessive kids on the internet who cling to every rumor like it's fact and take what ends up being a business far to personally.

That's the quote of the month right there, folks. It's too bad more people don't think like this man, he has a good head on his shoulders.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

*Big Laugh @ "It's the complete and utter lack of respect and total disdain for the business that made him a fucking millionaire these past few years that pisses me off."*

 

The wrestling business is a disgusting one. It deserves little respect and much distain.

[El Psycho Diablo 0]

I don't blame Brock for getting ticked off and leaving.

 

I mean, it's not like the WWE hasn't done their job properly, and elevated guys to be able to take a spot if needed, right?

 

Oh, wait..

 

It isn't Brock's job to have to "fill in the holes in the company" bullshit.

 

They are the ones that have relied on stars of the last generation or two for the last few years (Austin, Taker, Foley, Flair, Michaels and Hogan when he was around) or someone who couldn't hold the weight of his own place due to injuries (Trips, most of last year).

 

Brock wasn't the one who gradually let two very over guys go to waste, and linger until their reception isn't a tenth of what it was even a year ago. (Booker, Van Dam)

 

The only guy to really be elevated in the last few years was Brock, and how long was it before people were trying to keep him back?

 

The company has had untold oppertunities to elevate guys in case the top level needed filled. It's their fault for sticking to the old guard, and giving them favors that they shouldn't have, and for not lettiing guys get the puishes and booking they needed..

 

(Bob Holly, against the champion at one of the big PPV events? Please!)

 

No, Eddy and Benoit by themselves aren't going to cut it, even with Eddy being very over. It'll take more than that.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

I anticipate the reactions of some when Brock is in talks to return to WWE, or when he comes back outright.

 

THAT is my big problem with him. Sooner or later, everyone comes back to Vince. Even BRET has been talking with him, and cordially too. And when that happens, his comments about what is fake and what is real will come back to haunt him.

 

Was he also justified in complaining about the shows centering around Eddy doing better than the shows that were all about him? As far as I am concerned, the Holly thing is just about the only complaint of his that I completely agree with.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

I anticipate the reactions of some when Brock is in talks to return to WWE, or when he comes back outright.

 

THAT is my big problem with him. Sooner or later, everyone comes back to Vince. Even BRET has been talking with him, and cordially too. And when that happens, his comments about what is fake and what is real will come back to haunt him.

 

Was he also justified in complaining about the shows centering around Eddy doing better than the shows that were all about him? As far as I am concerned, the Holly thing is just about the only complaint of his that I completely agree with.

Bret's been gone for over 6 years and said many times he DOESN'T WANT TO COME IN FOR AN ANGLE. A Simple farewell speech when the time is right.

 

 

Brock crawling back in less than a year would be worse.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

If McMahon offers him enough money and a better schedule, I see no reason for Brock not to return given that the precident has been set with him wrestling, despite not liking it, for the money.

[El Psycho Diablo 0]

I anticipate the reactions of some when Brock is in talks to return to WWE, or when he comes back outright.

 

THAT is my big problem with him. Sooner or later, everyone comes back to Vince. Even BRET has been talking with him, and cordially too. And when that happens, his comments about what is fake and what is real will come back to haunt him.

 

Was he also justified in complaining about the shows centering around Eddy doing better than the shows that were all about him? As far as I am concerned, the Holly thing is just about the only complaint of his that I completely agree with.

It won't supriuse me when Brock does come back, and the reactions should be entertaining, especially around here?

 

(Hey, maybe we can get another six months of the "FUCK GOLDBERG!" type mass stupidity that was kicking around here not too long ago)

 

Even the reactions to him leaving are kind of funny. Especially about Brock leaving and that it "makes the way for someone who deserves a push".

 

Like anyone who deserves it will really get one because of that? It's all about who will make Vince money. (or lately, who he THINKS will make him money.)

 

"Deserving" dosen't have anything to do with it.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Fill in Brock with Goldberg and ask yourself if you have the same opinion.

 

Also, when it comes to a pay increase, the question arises as to whether Brock is even worth that amount of money.

 

Throwing stacks of dollar bills around to appease the egos just absolutely reeks of WCW. It wasn't acceptable then and it isn't acceptable now.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Edge will probably get the push to fill in Brocks absence, or someone else home grown who is grossly over-rated.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I don't feel soured.

 

With Goldberg, who didn't like wrestling and was only in it for the money, I didn't like that attitude because it affected his ring work. He didn't want to learn and he didn't want to improve. Lesnar, however, learned and improved. His ring work wasn't effected and he performed very well.

He improved because it's an activity he takes to like a duck to water. Even though he can't hang with NFL guys due to an injury, Goldberg is probably a better environment in a game of pickup football than he is in a small indie fed where he'd quickly run tired with the audience if judged on his matches instead of his image.

 

Football is to Goldberg as wrestling is to Lesnar. For one reason or another, both guys eventually chose to wind up in the other's primary activity, and both are (likely) underwhelming in their latest careers when judged on talent.

 

Both are working on the attitude of just wanting to make money and go home, and that will get Brock just as much negative attention in the NFL as it would in the WWE. I mean, face it. The guy says pretty much flat out that he's not interested in entertaining you, doesn't care if you like his matches or not, only cares that he gets enough of the company's money (and, by gate, PPV, and merch sales, ours) to buy toys or whatever else he plans to do with it.

 

And hey, there's million's of people out there working jobs they don't like so they can take home big money, so if that's your thing, go forward and make money. But that kind of attitude fizzles flat on a team effort, and both WWE and NFL is a team effort. For the NFL it should be quite obvious, but in wrestling everyone has to work together for the ideal goal, which is that a card is a hit from beginning to end. If you got some guys working their ass off while other guys are stinking up the ring because they're lazy or they're only looking out for themselves, it doesn't work. It didn't work when cruisers killed themselves to open WCW programming that quickly fell to pieces anytime Nash was mentioned onscreen, and it doesn't work when guys like Bradshaw and Big Show are doggin' it while Eddie and Rey try to save an entire program by themselves.

 

 

But hey, if the NFL doesn't buy into his gig, he has no problem coming back to a job that he doesn't like and take the money that's there without any consideration for the company, the other wrestlers, or the fans. Because the only thing that matters is Brock and where Brock's next paycheck is coming from.

 

And surely, Vince will still want him back, right?

 

And surely, the company will resume their focus on him like they did before, right?

 

And surely, we'll welcome him back with open arms while he doesn't give a shit, right?

 

 

 

Fuck him and Goldberg both. I'm glad they're gone.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I've already addressed Goldberg. Goldberg didn't bother to improve because he didn't want to improve. Lesnar did. Lesnar still delivered in the ring, despite hating it.

 

How about this, why don't you fill in Brock with Owen Hart. Martha said that Owen hated wrestling, but did it anyways because of the money. Owen still performed well in the ring, so who cares? If it doesn't effect his performance, then why should it matter? If it does, like Jeff Hardy, then it's best to see him go.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

I've already addressed Goldberg. Goldberg didn't bother to improve because he didn't want to improve. Lesnar did. Lesnar still delivered in the ring, despite hating it.

 

How about this, why don't you fill in Brock with Owen Hart. Martha said that Owen hated wrestling, but did it anyways because of the money. Owen still performed well in the ring, so who cares? If it doesn't effect his performance, then why should it matter? If it does, like Jeff Hardy, then it's best to see him go.

Difference between OWen and Brock...

 

 

Owen saved up most of his money so he could retire early and spend time with his family.

 

Brock reportedly spent almost all the money he's made on cars and other crap.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

He improved because it's an activity he takes to like a duck to water.

 

No. You can have all the potential in the world, but if you don't have the drive to use it it won't get used. Goldberg was an amazing athlete and that did transfer over to wrestling, he just didn't take the time to develop and stop stiffing guys in the ring. He hasn't changed.

 

The guy says pretty much flat out that he's not interested in entertaining you, doesn't care if you like his matches or not, only cares that he gets enough of the company's money (and, by gate, PPV, and merch sales, ours) to buy toys or whatever else he plans to do with it.

 

I was just watching Brock vs. Hogan today, Brock was playing with the crowd throughout. To say "he's not interested in entertaining you" is off.

 

And hey, there's million's of people out there working jobs they don't like so they can take home big money, so if that's your thing, go forward and make money.

 

And how many of those people could wind up dead at 40 because of their occupation? How many of those people have the same road schedule as the WWE wrestlers? And how many of those people, if given the opportunity, would leave that job for something they believe is better?

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Brock, the world champion had to act like he was afraid of Sparky Plug for three fucking months. That's absurd.

The only thing I'll say about the Holly feud was that I laughed when he was still afraid of Holly in his promo with FGB, even though said promo happened after he destroyed Holly in minutes.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Difference between OWen and Brock...

 

Owen saved up most of his money so he could retire early and spend time with his family.

 

Brock reportedly spent almost all the money he's made on cars and other crap.

 

Wow, talk about completely missing the point.

 

Point: Wrestlers who hate wrestling can still perform well. Owen (supposedly) did it and nobody cared that he hated it or not. No one said "FUCK OWEN! He doesn't care about US!".

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Fearing the opening of the worm can, I'll say this about Owen.

 

By all accounts Owen did what was asked of him. This included stupid angles. It included an angle that was supposedly a jab at his brother Bret. This angle indirectly led to his death. So maybe if he quit he would still be alive. But if he quit, went into a (realistic) profession, and stayed there, instead of giving up on THAT and returning to the ring, then I'd respect him. If that happens with Brock I'll be shocked. Why would you want him to return to a job he hates for more money if he's not bringing that much in to begin with?

 

Owen also wasn't the type to expect to be kept on top 12 months a year, or get personally insulted when someone else who took his place was more successful than he. I cannot stand it when people try to make comparisons that are obviously flawed because the two things being compared have more differences than similarities. (ex: You mentioned Jeff Hardy, who has been touted as "the next HBK" for YEARS.)

[Guest Jay Z. Hollywood]

I've already addressed Goldberg. Goldberg didn't bother to improve because he didn't want to improve. Lesnar did. Lesnar still delivered in the ring, despite hating it.

 

How about this, why don't you fill in Brock with Owen Hart. Martha said that Owen hated wrestling, but did it anyways because of the money. Owen still performed well in the ring, so who cares? If it doesn't effect his performance, then why should it matter? If it does, like Jeff Hardy, then it's best to see him go.

Are you sure it was Martha and not Diana? Because Diana said the same thing in her book...and to my knowledge, everything she ever said was discredited and laughed at.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Owen > Brock.

 

I never heard of Owen having an attitude about jobbing, being squashed, or anything.

 

 

Oh wait, he did bitch once.

 

 

He refused to do an angle where he was having an affair with Debra. So he got the Blue Blazer gimmick instead.

[Guest]

Owen and Brock are the 2 most uncomparable people the business has ever seen.

[Guest Anglesault]

Owen > Brock.

 

I never heard of Owen having an attitude about jobbing, being squashed, or anything.

Bitching about being squashed is now a bad thing?