Jersey Girl does poor box office

[Guest NaturalBornThriller4:20]

We've got a Comedian in the room...

 

How bout a standing ovation.

[Guest Anglesault]

Very little would make me happier than to see Affleck's career die.

[Mole 0]

If Affleck picked roles like "Changing Lanes" than his career would do much better.

 

In EW this week, they wrote that Affeck is working on another script.

 

This thread is very interesting because some people are just straight out biased. Either you like Smith, so you will defend him, or you don't like Smith so you won't defend him. Or you like Affleck, so you will defend him, etc.

 

I am a fan of Smith, but he isn't my favorite filmmaker. Ben Affleck is a decent actor, and there is no way anyone can dispute that. He does have acting skills, he just has this bad vibe over his head. Just got see "Changing Lanes," and you will see how well he can act.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

I hear people mentioning Armaggedon & Pearl Harbor alot regarding Ben Affleck's successes. I would regard them as failures. Although they made a lot of money, there was a HUGE backlash against them down the road and hurt his image for future releases.

 

These days Pearl Harbor is often considered to be one of the worst films ever made, and Deep Impact tends to be much more popular than Armaggedon among anyone older than 16. They had the same affect on Affleck's career as Batman & Robin did on the superhero genre. A financial success can still hurt a career if people end up hating it. I honestly think Affleck would be better off if he had not done those two films. People wouldn't hate him as much as they do now, even when he puts in good performances (like in Changing Lanes).

[Mole 0]

I hear people mentioning Armaggedon & Pearl Harbor alot regarding Ben Affleck's successes. I would regard them as failures. Although they made a lot of money, there was a HUGE backlash against them down the road and hurt his image for future releases.

 

These days Pearl Harbor is often considered to be one of the worst films ever made, and Deep Impact tends to be much more popular than Armaggedon among anyone older than 16. They had the same affect on Affleck's career as Batman & Robin did on the superhero genre. A financial success can still hurt a career if people end up hating it. I honestly think Affleck would be better off if he had not done those two films. People wouldn't hate him as much as they do now, even when he puts in good performances (like in Changing Lanes).

People consider Deep Impact better than Armageddon?

 

In 98', I remember telling my friend Brian that Deep Impact was going to be better than Armageddon. Then in the summer after Armageddon came out, he remembered that and he rubbed it in my face that I was wrong.

 

After reading that, I went into my suite and asked for guys, who are all over 21, which they liked better. All of them said Armageddon. No way am I saying Armageddon was a GREAT film or anything, but for what it was, it was okay.

 

And Pearl Harbor worst film ever? I can think of 5 films off the top of my head that came out in the same year that made around the same money: Rush Hour 2, Jurassic Park III, The Fast and the Furious, Tomb Raider and Spy Kids.

 

I don't really like PH, but to call it the worst film ever is ridiculous. I find it funny that the movie sucks so much since the same guy who wrote it, Randall Wallace, also wrote Braveheart which I love.

 

Maybe I am biased because I don't hate Affleck like everyone else does. Maybe it is because he is in one of my favorite movies of all times, Dazed and Confused. Plus, he is in a few movies that I like a lot: School Ties, Boiler Room, Chasing Amy, and Changing Lanes.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

After reading that, I went into my suite and asked for guys, who are all over 21, which they liked better. All of them said Armageddon. No way am I saying Armageddon was a GREAT film or anything, but for what it was, it was okay.

 

How long has it been since they saw them both? Armaggeddon is pretty much considered to be a video game with ridiculous characters and a story that you can't get into. Deep Impact, while flawed at least had more tension and the characters were people you cared about. One of Armaggedon's biggest flaws was killing off the most popular character (Owen Wilson's cowboy geologist) first. Regardless, certainly with the people I know, Armaggedon pretty much single-handedly killed the disaster genre. The Core was killed before it even hit theatres (nobody actually wanted to see it), and we are seeing a similar thing now with The Day After Tomorrow. TDAT will probably be one of the bigger flops of the summer (although Catwoman & King Arthur will do worse). Even those that liked Armaggedon tended to hate the Ben Affleck character, so that doesn't help him anyways. I actually don't mind Affleck, but even I wanted him to die in that film he whined so much.

 

And Pearl Harbor worst film ever? I can think of 5 films off the top of my head that came out in the same year that made around the same money: Rush Hour 2, Jurassic Park III, The Fast and the Furious, Tomb Raider and Spy Kids.

 

None of those had the hype of Pearl Harbor, and many of these people probably didn't even see a lot of them. Perhaps it was the disappointment factor, but regardless there are many people who absolutely loathe Pearl Harbor.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Armageddon > Deep Impact.

 

How can you disregard a movie where Bruce Willis is aiming golf balls at hippies?...

[Guest Choken One]

Easy...When Steven Tyler's career got revived because of this damn movie.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

IMDB.com User Ratings

 

Armageddon: 5.7

Deep Impact: 5.9

 

 

Rottentomatoes.com Average Ratings (Cream of the Crop in Brackets)

 

Armageddon: 5.1 (3.7)

Deep Impact: 5.6 (5.8)

 

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These are hardly conclusive, but do give a general idea of what people think. If you check the breakdowns on imdb.com you will also notice that Deep Impact's ratings are less skewed. Armageddon scored in the high 6s among the under 18 crowd (ie. the idiot crowd) and much lower for over 18.

[Guest Choken One]

I decided to see how ALL of Affleck's Movies(mainstream) rated...

 

Chasing Amy-93%

Good Will Hunting-94%

Armageddon-40%

Shakespere in Love-95%

Forces of Nature-40%

Dogma-65%

Boiler Room-65%

Raindeer Games-25%

Bounce-54%

pearl Harbor-25%

Jay and Silent Bob-50%

Changing Lanes-77%

Sum of All Fears-59%

Daredevil-44%

Gigli-7%

Paycheck-23%

Jersey Girl-39%

 

 

I didn't count movies like School Ties or Mallrats or small indy films he did...the idea is how he's drawn and being reviewed since becoming an A list star.

 

Not very impressive.

[Guest NaturalBornThriller4:20]

Armageddon killed off big budget, disaster films ? Really ?

 

I seem to remember some little summer blockbuster BOMB about a Reptile who destroyed New York City and it was up to Ferris Bueller and others to stop him. You remember Godzilla, don't you ?

 

The Core was a bad movie, anyway. How can you blame another movie for that ?

 

We can't decide on how TDAT will do until around release time, it doesn't come out for another 2 months. Wait...

[Some Guy 0]

Just picking nits, but why are Chasing Amy, Dogma, and Jay and Bob Strike Back mainstream and Mallrats isn't? They're all from the same writer/director. I suspect it will drop Affleck's ratings further to add that but I'm not here to defend the guy's acting ability or character.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Armageddon killed off big budget, disaster films ? Really ?

 

I'm pretty sure Armageddon came out after Godzilla.

 

The Core was a bad movie, anyway. How can you blame another movie for that ?

 

I don't know and neither do most people. We just assumed it would be terrible, but nobody actually saw it. That's the point I was getting at. TDAT is getting much the same buzz The Core got, and it will get crushed coming out between Van Helsing (a likely bad film that will gross a lot regardless) and Troy.

[Guest Choken One]

Just picking nits, but why are Chasing Amy, Dogma, and Jay and Bob Strike Back mainstream and Mallrats isn't? They're all from the same writer/director. I suspect it will drop Affleck's ratings further to add that but I'm not here to defend the guy's acting ability or character.

 

 

Chasing Amy was his first lead role as well...so I was adding that as his ability to carry a movie and Mallrats had a REALLY small release anyways...Dogma and JASBSB got enough mainstream push to count.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

::wonders why no one has made the "AFFLECK WAS THE BOMB IN PHANTOMS, YO!" joke::

[Guest NaturalBornThriller4:20]

Nobody saw it ? You sure ?

 

Buzz ? What buzz ? We've only got a Teaser (Even though, we already know the premise) I'd much rather wait until it comes out before I can determine if it gets "Crushed" or not.

It's opening up between Troy and Van Helsing ? So what. People might like it, critics might like it(I still think their word means shit)

 

EDIT: What is "Phantoms" ? Never seen it, nor have I heard of it outside of the comment in J&SB.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

It's a bad Affleck movie.

[2GOLD 0]

::wonders why no one has made the "AFFLECK WAS THE BOMB IN PHANTOMS, YO!" joke::

 

Because that just goes without saying.

 

Rose McGowan in a parka and tight sweater, Ben Affleck as a ex FBI agent/small time sheriff, Peter O'Toole as a tabloid reporter who turned out to be right, Liev Schreiber as well Liev and BO HOPKINS all in the same movie. How could it not be good?

 

Phantoms was just the bomb overall, yo!

 

But Affleck WAS the bomb in Phantoms, yo

[Some Guy 0]

Tyler, I can't believe I didn't make that comment to be honest with you. At least Affleck will make fun of himself, unlike say Johnny Depp, Sean Penn, and other serious actors.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Yeah... it's okay

 

To be honest, even though I'm hardly the expert of the movies folder (especially since I rarely post here), Affleck isn't half as bad as people make him out to be. He's stiff at times (horribly so in, say, some parts of Sum Of All Fears), but he's hardly this terrible actor that doesn't deserve to be in ANY FILM EVER, as some of you are suggesting. He's alright, and I plan on seeing Jersey Girl with my fiance when I get back in town. All this hatred is kind of absurd.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Hey, at least it did better than Gilgi.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

We've got a Comedian in the room...

 

How bout a standing ovation.

Maybe you shouldn't look like such a John Gena fanboy, and we'll be ok. Whats next? You gonna start saying "You can't see me" after each post?

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

It's opening up between Troy and Van Helsing ? So what. People might like it, critics might like it(I still think their word means shit)

 

People might like it, it might even be a good movie. But it will have a big problem finding an audience. It is also from the same guys who made Godzilla and that alone has set alarm bells off in many heads.

 

Buzz ? What buzz ? We've only got a Teaser (Even though, we already know the premise

 

That's a large part of the problem. The big movies of the summer (Troy, Van Helsing, Spider-Man, Harry Potter) have all been advertising heavily for months. People are really anxious to see Troy & Spider-Man. That isn't happening with the Day After Tomorrow.

[Kardo 0]

The Core was a bad movie, anyway. How can you blame another movie for that ?

Stanley Tucci owned The Core. I mean if you took the movie seriously it sucked. Everyone except the leads tried to make the movie work and it was very close to being an over the top cult classic.

[Guest NaturalBornThriller4:20]

We've got a Comedian in the room...

 

How bout a standing ovation.

Maybe you shouldn't look like such a John Gena fanboy, and we'll be ok. Whats next? You gonna start saying "You can't see me" after each post?

Wow.

 

So, now i'm a John Cena fanboy ? Is it because of my Sig and Avatar which i've been too lazy to change for a couple of months now.

 

Your attempts at trying to "Flame" me aren't working. Keep trying

 

Kahran, I forgot about both Spider-Man and Harry Potter. I stand corrected... nice job, sir.

[Vyce 0]

I find that as time goes by, the less of a Kevin Smith fan I become.

 

What am I saying? At this point, I'm not a fan. At best, he inspires apathy.

[Mole 0]

One of Armaggedon's biggest flaws was killing off the most popular character (Owen Wilson's cowboy geologist) first.

Huh? How is that a flaw in a movie? Besides, I thought Owen Wilson's character wasn't that "popular."

 

Regardless, certainly with the people I know, Armaggedon pretty much single-handedly killed the disaster genre. The Core was killed before it even hit theatres

No, The Core didn't do well in the theaters because it looked like shit. Plus the fact that it didn't get that much marketing, which you can blame Paramount for.

 

And when I saw the movie, I just laughed it off because it was JUST LIKE Armageddon. My pops said to me "It was just like Armageddon except Bruce Willis wasn't there to push a button."

 

we are seeing a similar thing now with The Day After Tomorrow.

We are? Since I have seen a trailer for the movie and all. I haven't heard anybody talk about the movie, nor have I heard anything about it until you said something. That would have NOTHING to do with Armageddon, but it has to do with Fox not marketing the film correctly.

 

Besides, the movie isn't going to do well anyway. Not because it will suck, because we know nothing about it, but because the movies that are coming out around the same time. 3 weeks before, Van Helsing is coming out. 2 weeks before, Troy is coming out. 1 week before, Shrek 2 is coming out. And the week after, Harry Potter is coming out. The competition looks too fierce for TDAT and that is why it won't do well, not because of Armageddon "destroying" the disaster genre.

 

None of those had the hype of Pearl Harbor, and many of these people probably didn't even see a lot of them. Perhaps it was the disappointment factor, but regardless there are many people who absolutely loathe Pearl Harbor.

I seem to remember JP3 having lots of hype, same with Tomb Raider.

 

You said PH was one of the worst films ever made, what does that have to do with the hype of the other movies I said?

 

I don't know and neither do most people. We just assumed it would be terrible, but nobody actually saw it. That's the point I was getting at. TDAT is getting much the same buzz The Core got, and it will get crushed coming out between Van Helsing (a likely bad film that will gross a lot regardless) and Troy.

Like I said before, we assumed it would be terrible because it looked JUST LIKE Armageddon. Plus the fact that there was no A-list actor in the movie, which helps draw blockbuster movies.

[Highland 0]

The Core was a shity movie and was full of annoying cliches and stereotypes: The bumbling professor, the eccentric hermit genius, the gov't scientist with dark ambitions, the annoying hacker, the patrtonizing squad leader and political correctness taints this movie with the female lead that is never wrong about anything at all.

 

Ugh.

Edited March 29, 2004 by Naibus

[dutchse.cx 0]

The Core was a shity movie and was full of annoying cliches and stereotypes

 

Not to mention anyone with a passing knowledge of physics could have pointed out the logic gaps in the movie. Link includes OMG SPOPPORZ~!

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

I seem to remember JP3 having lots of hype, same with Tomb Raider.

 

You said PH was one of the worst films ever made, what does that have to do with the hype of the other movies I said?

 

I said that the backlash against PH was so strong that people think it is one of the worst movies ever. PH was extraordinarily unpopular among critics and viewing audiences. A large part of this was due to the large amount of hype on this film that proclaimed it as the ultimate war movie surrounding Pearl Harbor. It wasn't, and the backlash was tremendous. JP3 & Tomb Raider were never thought of as anything but dumb action movies. You saw it last summer too. Chances are you have heard far more people complain about Matrix Reloaded or Hulk than you have about Charlie's Angels 2, despite the fact that they are clearly better films.

 

Besides, the movie isn't going to do well anyway. Not because it will suck, because we know nothing about it, but because the movies that are coming out around the same time. 3 weeks before, Van Helsing is coming out. 2 weeks before, Troy is coming out. 1 week before, Shrek 2 is coming out. And the week after, Harry Potter is coming out. The competition looks too fierce for TDAT and that is why it won't do well, not because of Armageddon "destroying" the disaster genre.

 

It is a combination of the two. Back a few years ago people would see a disaster movie just because it was a disaster movie (Volcano, for example). I believe I already have complained about the marketing for this film and its release date.

 

Like I said before, we assumed it would be terrible because it looked JUST LIKE Armageddon. Plus the fact that there was no A-list actor in the movie, which helps draw blockbuster movies.

 

TDAT has the latter problem as well. Dennis Quaid is the most well known actor in the movie, but he's hardly an A-list star.

 

Huh? How is that a flaw in a movie? Besides, I thought Owen Wilson's character wasn't that "popular."

 

He wasn't that 'popular'. More like he was the only character you didn't want to punch out everytime he opened his mouth. I guess Will Patton's character was okay too.

 

No, The Core didn't do well in the theaters because it looked like shit. Plus the fact that it didn't get that much marketing, which you can blame Paramount for.

 

I saw Core trailers playing with virtually every movie for months leading up to release, and it annoyed me greatly. People definitely knew about it, they just didn't go and see it for the same problem. The problem with TDAT is that their trailer is very similar to the Core trailer, only has been shown less. I said it came out between Val Helsing & Troy. Shows how much I know about the film, and I see lots of movies. My parents, who generally enjoy this type of movie, have never even heard of it.

 

It seems most of us agree though that it will underperform. On some other boards you will have people claiming that it will gross more than Troy & Passion of the Christ combined, and be the only challenger to Spider-Man at the top of the summer BO.