TNA Deal Seems likely

[Guest JMA]

I'm really excited about FINALLY being able to see a full TNA show. So far I've only been able to download a few matches off KaZaA.

[cbacon 0]

Maybe SportsNet or The Score will pick it up. It might not generate enough of an audience for TSN.

The Score would get it for sure.

 

They treat pro wrestling like an actual sport and with decency. Also, their hosts actually do watch Smackdown on occassion and do know something about the product.

 

This says a lot for that channel. They pick up TNA, I will definitely be watching The Score.

Hopefully The Score picks up TNA, but they may be contractually obligated to show WWE programming only. Who knows

[Guest TDinDC1112]

The two biggest markets (that I know of) that would be left out in the cold possibly are Philly and Baltimore/DC.  Comcast is the main cable provider in both of these areas and get Comcast SportsNet instead of a Fox SportsNet station.  They carry *some* Fox SportsNet stuff (Best Damn Sports show, occassionally a daily recap show, ect).  The stuff from Fox is still a really small portion of their programing.  I guess it is possible they would carry TNA, but not likely.  That would a sufficient hole though as those are three (Philly, DC, and Baltimore) top 20 markets.

I would HOPE that someone is smart enough to put the show on here in D.C., seeing as we're a top ten market. Hell - I even think we break the top 5.

 

They'd be crazy not to stick it on here.

When Meltzer writes the Smackdown ratings in the major markets every week in The Observer, D.C. is ungodly low every week.

[Vyce 0]

We're still a top ten market.

 

You should still want to have your show on in a top ten market, even if it does shit ratings, more so even than you'd want your show on in the 135th market, where your ratings may be good.

 

You can always improve in the ratings.

[Guest MikeSC]

The general feeling is that TNA's TV deal with Fox Sports Net will be finalized soon if it hasn't been already. The first show is expected to air in June. TNA management is apparently already saying "Once we get on Fox Sports Net..." when talking about future plans.

 

The plan seems to be to drop the weekly PPVs completely once a TV deal is struck. The company would then run one Sunday PPV per month.

 

Credit: The torch

 

A new era of wrestling begins? Or another flop? Do they save the cage match for the first show there?

Smells like a flop, honestly. Nobody watches their shows now. Who's going to watch it on Sunday evenings?

 

Russo can't write compelling TV. JJ is the kiss of death as a ME'er. The Asylum LOOKS bush-league.

 

This is going to be a bigger disaster than ECW on TNN. Remember, ECW had a MUCH larger fanbase and struggled to top 1.0 on a consistent basis. TNA has almost no real fanbase. If it hits 0.2, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

-=Mike

[Michrome 0]

It'll easily hit .2, breaking .5 will be hard at first though. They will be taping in Orlando, not the asylum...and hell, I can't think of a better timeslot than Sunday night...what the fuck else is on.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

besides Sunday Night Football, not much. There's no way they won't do a 0.2. I think it's impossible.

[Guest OSIcon]

A .2 is pretty easy to get. Nielson only takes a really small percentage of houeholds for their sample (for network TV, it is something like 5,000 households for over 105 million total households with television in the US). So in that scenario (network TV), about 10 people (depending on what their exact sample size is) who are part of the sample Neilson group would have to watch a show in order for it to get a .2. That's not too difficult. I would imagine the sample group for cable is proportioned the same so that wouldn't be too far off for TNA's case.

 

I would still be surprised if they get over 1.0 or even near. Given Fox SportsNet's visibility (in that it really isn't a station people regullary check to see what is on), pre-emptions due to sports games, and the fact that wrestling just isn't that popular right now, TNA is going to be struggling from the get go. They must be really confident in their product catching on once people see it on television.

 

I don't think the TV deal will work, though I don't exactly thing it is wrong of TNA to try. Their weekly PPV format wasn't working either, so you can't blame them for trying *something*.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

I don't think it will be possible to get any clear number on them every week. It's going to be all over the place and the number will never mean anything because they're always going to pre-empted all over the place.

[Michrome 0]

On Sunday Nights? Fox doesn't have sunday night sportsgames that will have them pre-empted all the time.

[Vyce 0]

The general feeling is that TNA's TV deal with Fox Sports Net will be finalized soon if it hasn't been already. The first show is expected to air in June. TNA management is apparently already saying "Once we get on Fox Sports Net..." when talking about future plans.

 

The plan seems to be to drop the weekly PPVs completely once a TV deal is struck. The company would then run one Sunday PPV per month.

 

Credit: The torch

 

A new era of wrestling begins? Or another flop? Do they save the cage match for the first show there?

Smells like a flop, honestly. Nobody watches their shows now. Who's going to watch it on Sunday evenings?

 

Russo can't write compelling TV. JJ is the kiss of death as a ME'er. The Asylum LOOKS bush-league.

 

This is going to be a bigger disaster than ECW on TNN. Remember, ECW had a MUCH larger fanbase and struggled to top 1.0 on a consistent basis. TNA has almost no real fanbase. If it hits 0.2, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

-=Mike

Question: If you dislike TNA so much, why post in this folder?

 

You're adding absolutely NOTHING to the conversation.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

On Sunday Nights? Fox doesn't have sunday night sportsgames that will have them pre-empted all the time.

Baseball all over the country. Basketball and Hockey at other times of the year.

[Guest OSIcon]

Sunday night is probably the best night, but it won't be void of pre-emptions (especially during baseball season) unless the show is on really late.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

I think Sunday night is the second best night. You know what is the best night and time for TNA and for wrestling in general?

 

Monday nights at 9:00

[Guest hunger4unger]

Sunday nights is a great idea, mainly because it's a "quiet" TV night and little in the way of competition, especially wrestling wise.

 

Although TNA still has a long, long way to go in just about every area I am extremely happy for them as this deal will obviously mean more revenue via sponsorship, more exposure for their product and no doubt more PPV revenue with them running monthly PPV's which they can charge more for.

[Guest MikeSC]

The general feeling is that TNA's TV deal with Fox Sports Net will be finalized soon if it hasn't been already. The first show is expected to air in June. TNA management is apparently already saying "Once we get on Fox Sports Net..." when talking about future plans.

 

The plan seems to be to drop the weekly PPVs completely once a TV deal is struck. The company would then run one Sunday PPV per month.

 

Credit: The torch

 

A new era of wrestling begins? Or another flop? Do they save the cage match for the first show there?

Smells like a flop, honestly. Nobody watches their shows now. Who's going to watch it on Sunday evenings?

 

Russo can't write compelling TV. JJ is the kiss of death as a ME'er. The Asylum LOOKS bush-league.

 

This is going to be a bigger disaster than ECW on TNN. Remember, ECW had a MUCH larger fanbase and struggled to top 1.0 on a consistent basis. TNA has almost no real fanbase. If it hits 0.2, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

-=Mike

Question: If you dislike TNA so much, why post in this folder?

 

You're adding absolutely NOTHING to the conversation.

Because I find this reaction funny, personally.

 

Yup, the only ones who care are the ones who WON'T point out problems.

 

Got it.

 

Seeing as how I was the only one who said flop and gave some reasons, I did more for debate than ANYBODY else here did.

-=Mike

[Guest TDinDC1112]

Because I find this reaction funny, personally.

 

Yup, the only ones who care are the ones who WON'T point out problems.

 

Got it.

 

Seeing as how I was the only one who said flop and gave some reasons, I did more for debate than ANYBODY else here did.

           -=Mike

Actually, Michrome, OSIcon, and myself pointed out that your "they won't even get a 0.2 rating" statement was a bunch of bullshit.

 

As far as you doing "more for debate than ANYBODY else here did," well I guess you win then. You're better than us. Congratulations.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Who's going to watch it on Sunday evenings?

People who might be interested in the product, but don't want to spend the money on weekly PPV's? I haven't bought a single TNA event apart from the $.01 show, but if it were on Sunday nights for free, I'd definitely check it out.

[Prime Time Andrew Doyle 0]

I think Sunday night is the second best night. You know what is the best night and time for TNA and for wrestling in general?

 

Monday nights at 9:00

That is exactly the best time for it, because even though it might not take a huge chunk of Raws audience, it will still grab some people who are dissatisfied with the Raw product, mainly smarks

[Michrome 0]

Monday is the best slot. During commercials raw fans might flip over and catch something cool or a fun angle. Still, Sundays are the next best, which is good enough for me.

[Guest MikeSC]

Because I find this reaction funny, personally.

 

Yup, the only ones who care are the ones who WON'T point out problems.

 

Got it.

 

Seeing as how I was the only one who said flop and gave some reasons, I did more for debate than ANYBODY else here did.

           -=Mike

Actually, Michrome, OSIcon, and myself pointed out that your "they won't even get a 0.2 rating" statement was a bunch of bullshit.

 

As far as you doing "more for debate than ANYBODY else here did," well I guess you win then. You're better than us. Congratulations.

Bitch much?

 

OK, let's look at this rationally.

 

TNA has never sold out a single show.

They average 7,500 buys a week.

 

Where is this fanbase?

 

FSN doesn't GET too much ad time on Fox broadcasts --- and they do not advertise ANYTHING but "Best Damned Sport Show". And, if they follow the SportsCenter model, they will mock TNA if they are ever the lead-in for them. But, odds are, they WON'T be the lead-in to them --- and when the ratings are closer to what I predict than what you predict, you'll blame THAT for the problem.

 

An 0.2 rating would be, roughly, 165,000 viewers --- MANY more than TNA has ever approached having in their existence.

 

Let's look at a comparable situation. Let's look at ECW on TNN.

 

1) ECW had a much larger fan base. They drew 0.2-0.25 for their PPV's --- which while not huge, is much bigger than TNA does. They drew 5,000-person crowds to several shows. They had a devoted following nationwide. TNA has microscopic buyrates and can't sell out the Asylum --- not exactly a BIG arena.

 

2) TNN, while hardly huge, was established. It didn't have exemption problems. It had shows that could draw, at the very least, mediocre ratings. FSN is an afterthought. People watch it for local sports --- and that's it.

 

Why do you suppose a company with a markedly smaller fanbase than ECW ever had, on a network SMALLER than TNN when ECW was on it --- would be able to draw even COMPARABLE ratings? It flies in the face of even RUDIMENTARY logic.

 

I base my opinion on reason. You base yours on ridiculous optimism.

-=Mike

[Michrome 0]

1) Sunday night is a million times better than Friday night for obvious reasons.

 

2) Many fans don't check out TNA cause it costs money. Many ECW fans found the product through a great syndicated TV program that was free.

 

3) People will give it a chance. If the product is good, there are easily enough wrestling fans out there. The 1 cent PPV did roughly 100,000 buys. You don't think these same people and more would even check out TNA? Don't be silly.

[Guest MikeSC]

1) Sunday night is a million times better than Friday night for obvious reasons.

 

2) Many fans don't check out TNA cause it costs money. Many ECW fans found the product through a great syndicated TV program that was free.

 

3) People will give it a chance. If the product is good, there are easily enough wrestling fans out there. The 1 cent PPV did roughly 100,000 buys. You don't think these same people and more would even check out TNA? Don't be silly.

Seeing as how TNA's product is not as good now as it was then (let's be honest), there is not a great chance they will remain enthralled.

-=Mike

[Guest OSIcon]

I'm with you on the idea that TNA has virtually no chance of succeeding with this television deal.

 

However, you have to remember that Nielson ratings are based on estimates. On their website, Nielson says that they draw their estimates based on a sample of "more than 5,000 homes". There are over 105 million households with television access in the United State, so they are drawing from a relatively small sample. Going by the listed sample size, TNA would just need ten out of 5,000 households to be tuned into their show to draw a .2 rating. Nielson has a pretty wide variety of households in their sample, so it wouldn't be shocking to think that ten people from their survey group would watch TNA on a Sunday night when there is nothing else on but news, some sports, and family dramas. Getting a .2 is a lot different (and in many ways easier) than having to get 165,000 people to turn into your show.

 

A .2 is nothing to argue about either way. That means that .2 percent of households with televisions are watching your show. That is pretty awful no matter how you look at it.

[Vyce 0]

The general feeling is that TNA's TV deal with Fox Sports Net will be finalized soon if it hasn't been already. The first show is expected to air in June. TNA management is apparently already saying "Once we get on Fox Sports Net..." when talking about future plans.

 

The plan seems to be to drop the weekly PPVs completely once a TV deal is struck. The company would then run one Sunday PPV per month.

 

Credit: The torch

 

A new era of wrestling begins? Or another flop? Do they save the cage match for the first show there?

Smells like a flop, honestly. Nobody watches their shows now. Who's going to watch it on Sunday evenings?

 

Russo can't write compelling TV. JJ is the kiss of death as a ME'er. The Asylum LOOKS bush-league.

 

This is going to be a bigger disaster than ECW on TNN. Remember, ECW had a MUCH larger fanbase and struggled to top 1.0 on a consistent basis. TNA has almost no real fanbase. If it hits 0.2, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

-=Mike

Question: If you dislike TNA so much, why post in this folder?

 

You're adding absolutely NOTHING to the conversation.

Because I find this reaction funny, personally.

 

Yup, the only ones who care are the ones who WON'T point out problems.

 

Got it.

 

Seeing as how I was the only one who said flop and gave some reasons, I did more for debate than ANYBODY else here did.

-=Mike

In the roughly two years since this particular folder has existed, I can't recall you saying one positive thing about TNA.

 

Not one.

 

All you add is negativity. Don't try and pass it off as constructive criticism.

 

You're little more than a troll here, Mike.

[Guest MikeSC]

In the roughly two years since this particular folder has existed, I can't recall you saying one positive thing about TNA.

Not a lot of positive there. I remember saying that their X Division Year in Review PPV show was excellent.

Not one.

Wow, didn't know you read my posts so religiously. I'm touched.

All you add is negativity.  Don't try and pass it off as constructive criticism.

Except that it IS constructive criticism.

You're little more than a troll here, Mike.

My bad.

 

I'll try harder.

 

JEFF JARRED IS DA BOM! CHRIS HARISS HAS NO CHANS! YAY JARREDD!

-=Mike

...Happy now?

[Guest TDinDC1112]

JEFF JARRED IS DA BOM! CHRIS HARISS HAS NO CHANS! YAY JARREDD!

-=Mike

...Happy now?

There are a lot of people on here that I strongly disagree with on a regular basis, but I recognize that those are intelligent people who like to discuss and debate wrestling. You on the other hand are a tool. Your above line implies that you feel that people that watch, follow, and comment on TNA are stupid morons who do not know how to spell, use correct grammar, or formulate reasonable opinions on wrestling. No one on here is pronouncing their love for Jarrett or AMW. We are however discussing TNA and its (or lack there of) prospects. We could all just make fun of TNA non stop and Bitch and moan, but what would that accomplish? In the same token, that doesn't mean we all don't recognize that TNA has major problems. But what exactly is it that you add to this board? You have done NOTHING but be negative for as long as I can remember. And yes, there is a difference between being negative and being analytical. You can say you don't like something without being negative. When negativity bleeds through as much as it does in your posts, any credibility you have or reasonable point you are making in the post loses all meaning.

[BoboBrazil 0]

Atleast with the tv deal TNA will get to find out who draws and not, because of the ratings for each person's quarter hour.

[Guest MikeSC]

There are a lot of people on here that I strongly disagree with on a regular basis, but I recognize that those are intelligent people who like to discuss and debate wrestling.  You on the other hand are a tool.

*sniff* Ouch. That hurt.

Your above line implies that you feel that people that watch, follow, and comment on TNA are stupid morons who do not know how to spell, use correct grammar, or formulate reasonable opinions on wrestling.

Nope. Just going into blind mark mode, as that appears to be your desire. I'm nothing if not willing to work with people.

No one on here is pronouncing their love for Jarrett or AMW.  We are however discussing TNA and its (or lack there of) prospects.

Funny, I do that and get called names.

We could all just make fun of TNA non stop and Bitch and moan, but what would that accomplish?  In the same token, that doesn't mean we all don't recognize that TNA has major problems.  But what exactly is it that you add to this board?

Double the intellect of you, I'd imagine.

You have done NOTHING but be negative for as long as I can remember.

Yet I've done a bang-up job avoiding inflicting the personal attacks I've suffered.

 

Obviously, that will change now.

And yes, there is a difference between being negative and being analytical.  You can say you don't like something without being negative.

Did that. Read the post.

When negativity bleeds through as much as it does in your posts, any credibility you have or reasonable point you are making in the post loses all meaning.

Wow, THAT is some crushing logic there. Really. I am in awe of your deft usage of logic and debating skill to quash any disagreement.

 

Funny --- I've made my points in the past with no insults towards anybody here.

 

Same respect isn't paid to me.

 

So be it.

 

I can be as nasty as y'all wish to be.

-=Mike

[Guest TDinDC1112]

But what exactly is it that you add to this board?

Double the intellect of you, I'd imagine.

You honestly have no idea.