Bradshaw vs. Holly fighting in PPV title matches

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Maybe I just don't know what making a fool of Bradshaw is gonna accomplish for Eddie.

Breaking news from Meltzer!!

 

Eddie vs. Bradshaw will be a ladder match at Judgment Day.

[Guest Anglesault]

Not funny.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

At the rate WWE is going, Meltzer is going to have blue balls by the time they do another ladder match. It seems every month he says "LADDER MATCH!" like he's going to go release himself in his pants.

 

And yes, a Ladder Match would inscrease the suck of the match.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I thought it was. In the "desperate to get this over" kinda way. I respect that. I'm trying to get "and just when (Insert Wrestler here) and (Insert another wrestler here) breathe a sigh of relief, they bukkake Miss Jackie" over. It can work for ANYTHING! ANYTHING! ANYTHING!! *Gets dragged away by mods* ANYTHING!!!!!!

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

^-----Proof my idea of the Master Baiter would drive people insane.

[AndrewTS 0]

At the rate WWE is going, Meltzer is going to have blue balls by the time they do another ladder match. It seems every month he says "LADDER MATCH!" like he's going to go in release himself in his pants.

 

And yes, a Ladder Match would inscrease the suck of the match.

We've gotta have a ladder match! If we don't hurry up and have another one, the gimmick might actually mean something the next time a major event rolls around that has one!

 

The last one (RVD vs. Christian on Raw I think) was kind of a pointless use of it, for instance.

[AndrewTS 0]

^-----Proof my idea of the Master Baiter would drive people insane.

My mother told me the idea of the Master Baiter could drive people insane.

 

I thought it was. In the "desperate to get this over" kinda way. I respect that. I'm trying to get "and just when (Insert Wrestler here) and (Insert another wrestler here) breathe a sigh of relief, they bukkake Miss Jackie". It can work for ANYTHING! ANYTHING! ANYTHING!! *Gets dragged away by mods* ANYTHING!!!!!!

 

Would Jackie botch the selling of that too?

[Papacita 0]

With Bradshaw, who would Eddie face instead?

Booker would've been the most logical choice. Not that Booker's such a great draw himself, but it'd be a lot easier to sell that match than to just create a challenger out of nowhere and just tossing him in the main event. Plus their TV match wasn't bad, so we could get something nice out of it.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Again, that may have been 'better' than Bradshaw, but it wasn't overwhelmingly better like Benoit was. Bradshaw cuts better promos and is a more interesting character than Booker, and since I don't think much of bookers wrestling ability I won't say Booker is equally better in-ring as to justify him over Bradshaw. Status-wise, the jump in the card would be more natural for Booker, since fans see him as a semi-main eventer and bradshaw as a strinctly tag team guy. But it's not a natural feud, it's a forced one. Them putting Booker on smackdown didn't make me immediately think "Sweet! Feud against Eddie!"; so I don't know how "logical" it would have been.

[AndrewTS 0]

Basically, any challenger will be "forced" in this situation, since there are no real major heels to challenge Eddy that seem to belong in the role. Brock is gone, Angle's too injured for now (otherwise he would be the natural choice), Cena is a face and isn't ready, Taker is a face and they haven't used him on TV since the pre-lottery SD, Big Show WOULD be the natural choice but apparenty is too injured so they're doing this stupid angle, Booker hasn't been built up yet as a worthy challenger, etc.

 

However, as Papacita said, they have to simultaneously establish a new character while pushing him to the main event. If they'd have waited a bit longer, established Bradshaw, waited for it to get over, then ran with this feud, it wouldn't have been as offensive.

 

Plus, there's absolutely nothing else going on with SD to justify watching.

 

RVD and Haas traded wins, now Haas was just used to build up the Rico character that never got over on Raw. RVD is having a rivalry with Booker that could possibly elevate them both, but I can't bring myself to care yet.

 

Rene is...Rene. The character is entertaining, but the matches are still horribly dull, and he has no actual angle going on. Cena harassed him a bit, but if they're going to go with a program between them, apparently they're not going to actually have any major development until post-Backlash.

 

Chavo is still the Cruiserweight Champion, but Rey is the only guy who wants the belt and they're holding off on that for the moment.

 

Noble hasn't done anything of note really--he got dumped by Nidia after a LONG AND STUPID ANGLE THAT HAD NO REAL POINT TO IT, then went back to being the same jobber he had been for a long time, losing in the open and warning Haas to literally watch his ass. Being a good worker, he's pretty much doomed to make others look good for the next 10 years.

 

Tag division--sucks.

 

I can barely remember anything else about SD right now.

 

I just checked SD's roster...wow...half of these people are hardly on TV or are lucky to make Velocity, and Ultimo are still on the roster page.

 

Seriously, check it out and see for yourself how dwindled the roster is, and plus there are very few of them that are active wrestlers of any worth: http://smackdown.wwe.com/superstars.html

 

Stupid WWE.com moment of the day:

 

"See more of Miss Jackie than ever before"

 

...and this is under a picture of her in a bikini. Um...

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Basically, any challenger will be "forced" in this situation, since there are no real major heels to challenge Eddy that seem to belong in the role. Brock is gone, Angle's too injured for now (otherwise he would be the natural choice), Cena is a face and isn't ready, Taker is a face and they haven't used him on TV since the pre-lottery SD, Big Show WOULD be the natural choice but apparenty is too injured so they're doing this stupid angle, Booker hasn't been built up yet as a worthy challenger, etc.

 

*Ding* Which is why the Holly situation was worse. They _had_ someone who could have filled the role (should have filled the role) and instead they went to Bob fucking Holly. With Bradshaw they didn't have any good options, they were all bad ones.

[Papacita 0]

The way they built it, Brock/Benoit would've been better suited for Mania if you ask me, but if they were planning on moving him to Raw all along, a Rumble blow off would've made more sense than Brock/Holly. But I still say it's more justifiable than the Bradshaw thing, though. Not to beat a dead horse, but Holly/Brock wasn't what sold the show. It was the Rumble match that sold the show. With Judgment Day, they're trying to sell the show on a character that's still in its developmental stages. Rather than take the time to allow Bradshaw to get over in his new role and move from there, they're throwing him into the title picture right off the bat and not only expect us to care about the character, but also put down $40 to see him wrestle.

 

Even if you take the Rumble out of the equation, if I could choose between Brock/Holly and Eddie/Bradshaw for the Judgment Day main event based on build and backstory alone, I'd choose Brock/Holly, because at least they had a solid storyline to work with, and their feud was easier for fans to relate to. As of right now, what is there about Bradshaw/Eddie that could justify me putting down money to see them fight?

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I enjoy the Brad$haw gimmick for it's Million Dollar Man style old-school appeal, but I don't think it belongs in the main event.

 

Hardcore Holly was just Hardcore Holly, moved from Velocity to the main event as he was. That's worse, IMO.

[humongous2002 0]

The fact of the matter is that Bradshaw is not over as a heel or a big draw, he never was and from the looks of it he never will because he doesn't have that charisma that makes me want to pay almost 40 bucks to see him, i do admit that the gimmick is a great idea but Bradshaw is very bland as a wrestler and that's why is not working. As much as i hate the Big Show, he is the perfect candidate to face Eddie at Judgement Day, they got history together(Show pinned Eddie for the US title) and it will make an ok main event for an In Your House ppv, let him take a small break or don't have him wrestle till the ppv since he's got bad knees.

Eddie's title reign is going to bomb if WWE keeps on using guys like Bradshaw or Holly as threats for his championship, they are not credible contenders and the fans are not going to pay to see them in the main event.

[Guest Adrian 3:16]

The Bradshaw push is worse. With the Holly feud, they could get away with it because:

 

-Holly fought Brock at a PPV that also included HHH vs HBK and of course, the Rumble itself, so they could afford to put on a match that no one would buy on its own.

 

-Holly at least had a reason to go after Brock: Brock breaks guy's neck, guy misses year, guy comes back understandably pissed. What's the reason for Bradshaw feuding with Eddie, besides apparently hating Mexicans?

[Guest JMA]

Bradshaw has much more charisma than Holly. Not to mention they actually changed his gimmick first. Still, they really should've had JBL go after Cena instead of Eddie.

 

Hm. Here's an idea: If Bradshaw wins the WWE title from Eddie (God forbid), maybe he'll face Hardcore Holly. SMELL THE BUYRATE~!

[Lil' Bitch 0]

What's the reason for Bradshaw feuding with Eddie, besides apparently hating Mexicans?

 

Wasn't that Big Show's reason to begin with?

[King Cucaracha 0]

Neither is great, but at least they've put some effort into making Bradshaw interesting. It's something fresh, and something interesting...the gimmick, not neccesarily the match...where as Holly was just plain old 1998 Holly.

 

That and the fact the Holly/Lesnar build-up sucked. I can buy Bradshaw as a threat to Eddie. But Holly to Lesnar? Just because Holly started using a full nelson, he was a dangerous man? At least Bradshaw looks like he could do Eddie damage.

[Guest Choken One]

I haven't read anything so here's my take.

 

Bradshaw is the more offensive.

 

Here are my 3 reasons

 

1). Hardcore Holly didn't MAIN EVENT The Royal Rumble.

-In a 5 Match Card, The WWE Title Match between Lesnar and Holly was the #4 match for the night behind The Rumble, The Guerrero Match and the Last Man Standing Match. It wasn't offensive because it was clearly a squash match from the get go. Hardcore Holly got a six minute match where he wasn't the Focus. Bradshaw will likely get 15-20 minutes of the MAIN EVENT. I.E the final match of the night.

 

2.) Hardcore Holly HAS been over before as a Singles star.

 

-Although Holly isn't a fan favorite anymore, at one point in his career (99-00) he was a very over Mid-Carder that got good reactions. Bradshaw, hasn't managed to get over in each other his singles attempts. He was pegged as STEVE AUSTIN #2 after the first brand split and fought the NWO and couldn't get over in his fucking Hometown. He hasn't yet to get much heel heat in this run either.

 

3). The Angle.

 

Hardcore Holly's angle to build up the squash match is a classic oft used Formula in Wrestling. "Guy Gurts other Guy. Other Guy wants revenge." it's logical and innoffensive. What is the motivation for the Eddy/Bradshaw angle? Bradshaw hates Mexicans and is trying to get rid of them. That is by far more stupid.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

1). Hardcore Holly didn't MAIN EVENT The Royal Rumble.

-In a 5 Match Card, The WWE Title Match between Lesnar and Holly was the #4 match for the night behind The Rumble, The Guerrero Match and the Last Man Standing Match. It wasn't offensive because it was clearly a squash match from the get go. Hardcore Holly got a six minute match where he wasn't the Focus. Bradshaw will likely get 15-20 minutes of the MAIN EVENT. I.E the final match of the night.

to repeat the same crap...ahem. But it was the Royal Rumble! The second biggest PPV of the year! Judgment Day is a throw-away PPV! [/bradshaw lover mode]

[Guest Anglesault]

3). The Angle.

 

Hardcore Holly's angle to build up the squash match is a classic oft used Formula in Wrestling. "Guy Gurts other Guy. Other Guy wants revenge." it's logical and innoffensive. W

It was very offensive to say that a man half Brock's size that Brock had already beat in five minutes in the past was a major threat to Brock.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

 

3). The Angle.

 

  Hardcore Holly's angle to build up the squash match is a classic oft used Formula in Wrestling. "Guy Gurts other Guy. Other Guy wants revenge." it's logical and innoffensive. W

It was very offensive to say that a man half Brock's size that Brock had already beat in five minutes in the past was a major threat to Brock.

so if anyone threatened to break your neck and beat the shit out of you, you wouldn't be afraid? I'd be shitting my pants. I wouldn't care if its Holly (whos no small man himself) or Max Mini.

[Guest Anglesault]

If I had already beaten the shit out of him?

 

No, not at all.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

If I had already beaten the shit out of him?

 

No, not at all.

If they were packing heat or are just plain nutbars I doubt it though...and if anyone is still wondering, Hardcore Holly was a guilty favorite, so thats why I'm defending him over Bradshaw.

[Guest Anglesault]

If they were packing heat

Holly never had a gun.

 

And if I can kick his ass when he's healthy and been fighting longer than me, I will certainly kick his ass if he's coming off an injury and I have a year more experience under my belt.

[SamoaRowe 0]

:: Thinks back to days as a mark::

 

 

When I was a mark... I liked Hardcore Holly. There, I said it. I thought he was cool.

 

But Bradshaw? I never really had an opinion on him. I wasn't for or against him.

 

As a "smart mark?"

 

Holly is nothing special and Bradshaw is shitty.

[Guest BDC]

I gotta refer back to Jester and call Holly worse for the simple reason that he hurts people he gets in the ring with. Bradshaw is a pain, yes, but putting a guy that has proven in the past that he will TRY to hurt people and also TRY and make your champ look bad puts him ahead in my book.

[Tawren 0]

At least Holly had a justifiable reason to be in the main event, although the actual execution of the feud sucked. Bradshaw just hates mexicans, so he gets a title shot. MONEY IN THE BANK~!