Need a QB? Kurt Warner's Available

[Guest MikeSC]

You would have a hard time trying to say that Brady's recievers aren't>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>McNabbs recievers.

 

Donavan can make clutch passes, his recievers can't make clutch catches.

Are Brady's receivers better? To a degree. They aren't exactly world-beaters.

 

And Brady won it all two years ago with a weaker team than his current one.

 

Brady has better credentials than McNabb has had to date.

-=Mike

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

I fear with Lovie in Chicago that the Bears would take a run at Warner.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Chicago would actually be a good fit for Warner. I don't care what anyone says, Kordell Stewart will never be 1997 Slash Stewart again, but they've get Grossman prepared to go and that would definitely affect Warner's time.

 

Let's see...who needs a QB like Warner... New Orleans might be good as I think they're losing faith in Brooks... Warner could be good for the 49ers as Tim Rattay is really still kind of unproven....

 

Dolphins? Fuck Jay Fiedler. Too bad they don't feel the same way. The Bucs could, ironically, be a good fit for him...

[Ripper 0]

Actually, send him to the Bengals with those recievers and you got something.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Actually, send him to the Bengals with those recievers and you got something.

Meh, Cincy doesn't need him. I'd rather go with Kitna.

[Guest MikeSC]

Actually, send him to the Bengals with those recievers and you got something.

Only concern I'd have for Warner there is that he isn't exactly mobile. How solid is the Bengals' OL?

 

I know Kitna was hardly Michael Vick, but he could move. Warner, to me, seems almost as immobile as Drew Bledsoe.

-=Mike

...And, while I love the guy, the Bills REALLY need to get a QB to replace Drew and soon

[Guest FrigidSoul]

Ripper, just to let ya know Tom Brady did throw numerous passes down the field this season. He won the game in Miami with a 60yard pass down the field to Troy Brown who ran the extra 20 for the TD. In the 02 season he was unable to throw downfield with precision due to having a partially torn rotator's cuff. Trust me though, he can throw the long ball now better than anybody with the exception of Manning, McNair, and Culpepper. Those 3 are just monsters at launching it.

[Sass 0]

Actually, send him to the Bengals with those recievers and you got something.

Only concern I'd have for Warner there is that he isn't exactly mobile. How solid is the Bengals' OL?

 

I know Kitna was hardly Michael Vick, but he could move. Warner, to me, seems almost as immobile as Drew Bledsoe.

-=Mike

...And, while I love the guy, the Bills REALLY need to get a QB to replace Drew and soon

Bledsoe was hideous when he would attempt to "run" around with the ball last season. If the Bills want to improve than they need to sack him (no pun intended).

 

NE got rid of a cancer before it infected the entire team (which did manage to get Ty Law though).

[nl5xsk1 0]

You would have a hard time trying to say that Brady's recievers aren't>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>McNabbs recievers.

I'd have a hard time saying the Pats wideouts are more than > better than the Eagles. Anytime Troy Brown is your #1 wideout, you're not looking at a really fearsome receiving corps. Branch can fly, but is unproven and not a great receiver by any stretch of the imagination. Bethel Johnson, other than being one of the fastest guys in the league, is nothing special (yet). David Givens, good but not great.

 

And to say that a 2 time Super Bowl MVP is overrated is stupid. The fact that he didn't even finish in the top 3 for regular season MVP voting (even though his team was undefeated in months) shows that he's not overrated.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Ripper, just to let ya know Tom Brady did throw numerous passes down the field this season. He won the game in Miami with a 60yard pass down the field to Troy Brown who ran the extra 20 for the TD. In the 02 season he was unable to throw downfield with precision due to having a partially torn rotator's cuff. Trust me though, he can throw the long ball now better than anybody with the exception of Manning, McNair, and Culpepper. Those 3 are just monsters at launching it.

You forgot Favre.

 

The guy routinely cannons the ball 50+ yards downfield. In fact, a pass just like that is what knocked them out of the playoffs last year.

[Guest Vitamin X]

And to say that a 2 time Super Bowl MVP is overrated is stupid. The fact that he didn't even finish in the top 3 for regular season MVP voting (even though his team was undefeated in months) shows that he's not overrated.

I like Tom Brady as much as the next guy in terms of where he stands amonst today's NFL QB's, however the reason for that I believe is because his play was overshadowed by how good New England's defense was/is.

 

My opinion on Brady is that he's a proven clutch QB and a great leader, while at the same time his play alone won't win games, so he's not among the all-time greats in the sense of a Marino, Elway, or Favre, who have all won games practically by themselves and their talent, but more along the lines of a Roger Staubach or Joe Montana.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Right now Mike Moron is saying that he isn't certain that Warner is being released.

 

My opinion on Brady is that he's a proven clutch QB and a great leader, while at the same time his play alone won't win games, so he's not among the all-time greats in the sense of a Marino, Elway, or Favre, who have all won games practically by themselves and their talent, but more along the lines of a Roger Staubach or Joe Montana.

 

No one is putting him in with those guys (or Staubach and Montana for that matter). The only current QBs (besides Favre who is already mentioned) that I really see living up to those guys are Peyton Manning and Michael Vick (if he can stay healthy). I still would be hesitant to compare them to Elway, Favre or Marino in their primes, but they have a shot. Guys like Culpepper who get a lot a love aren't even in the same league as guys like Unitas.

[MrRant 0]

And to say that a 2 time Super Bowl MVP is overrated is stupid.  The fact that he didn't even finish in the top 3 for regular season MVP voting (even though his team was undefeated in months) shows that he's not overrated.

I like Tom Brady as much as the next guy in terms of where he stands amonst today's NFL QB's, however the reason for that I believe is because his play was overshadowed by how good New England's defense was/is.

 

My opinion on Brady is that he's a proven clutch QB and a great leader, while at the same time his play alone won't win games, so he's not among the all-time greats in the sense of a Marino, Elway, or Favre, who have all won games practically by themselves and their talent, but more along the lines of a Roger Staubach or Joe Montana.

MONTANA never won games by himself? WTF?

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Dan Marino put up great numbers for some time and not only did he not have big name receivers, he didn't even have a credible running game.

Funny as Marino/Clayton have the third most touchdowns ever behind Rice/Young and Rice/Montana.

While Duper & Clayton were OK, that was more a case of Marino (and the offensive philosophy) making them look a hell of a lot better than they were.

[Sass 0]

No love for Bradshaw?

 

Tyler, show your team pride!

 

[Guest Vitamin X]

And to say that a 2 time Super Bowl MVP is overrated is stupid.  The fact that he didn't even finish in the top 3 for regular season MVP voting (even though his team was undefeated in months) shows that he's not overrated.

I like Tom Brady as much as the next guy in terms of where he stands amonst today's NFL QB's, however the reason for that I believe is because his play was overshadowed by how good New England's defense was/is.

 

My opinion on Brady is that he's a proven clutch QB and a great leader, while at the same time his play alone won't win games, so he's not among the all-time greats in the sense of a Marino, Elway, or Favre, who have all won games practically by themselves and their talent, but more along the lines of a Roger Staubach or Joe Montana.

MONTANA never won games by himself? WTF?

Not purely by his own talent. He was a leader and a clutch QB, but he didn't have the greatest arm known to man, and he had Jerry Rice in HIS prime catching football and Roger Craig. Plus a spectacular defense.

 

 

How good was Montana in Kansas City?

[Prime Time Andrew Doyle 0]

To be fair to Warner, in the season opener, Martz had him throw the ball 54 for times (In which he completed 34 of them, for 342 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT) While Marshall rushed only 9 times and the team itself rushed 13 times. With him being sacked 6 times, that means that roughly 60 throing plays were called against 13 running plays. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what will happen. I dont think even the Redskins under Spurrier tried something to that extent. Also, in 2002, he still completed over 60% of his passes. He always through INTs, even during the Rams glory run, 22 in the year they lost to the Pats. If I were Martz, I would have kept Warner over Bulger, or atleast given him a better chance, rather then have him drop back to pass 60 times in a game, . The fact is, Bulger lost a home playoff game to the Panthers. They didn't lose a home game all year, yet they lost in the 2nd OT after Bulger threw a INT, and the drive resulting from that was the drive in which Smith got the TD.

[Prime Time Andrew Doyle 0]

Damn Double Post

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Dan Marino put up great numbers for some time and not only did he not have big name receivers, he didn't even have a credible running game.

Funny as Marino/Clayton have the third most touchdowns ever behind Rice/Young and Rice/Montana.

While Duper & Clayton were OK, that was more a case of Marino (and the offensive philosophy) making them look a hell of a lot better than they were.

Dan Marino has thrown that many TDs to Clayton because he had literally no one else to throw the ball at.

 

Of course, later on, he would be backed up by the blistering speed, pounding strength, and steadfast hands of Bernie Parmalee.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

And to say that a 2 time Super Bowl MVP is overrated is stupid.  The fact that he didn't even finish in the top 3 for regular season MVP voting (even though his team was undefeated in months) shows that he's not overrated.

I like Tom Brady as much as the next guy in terms of where he stands amonst today's NFL QB's, however the reason for that I believe is because his play was overshadowed by how good New England's defense was/is.

 

My opinion on Brady is that he's a proven clutch QB and a great leader, while at the same time his play alone won't win games, so he's not among the all-time greats in the sense of a Marino, Elway, or Favre, who have all won games practically by themselves and their talent, but more along the lines of a Roger Staubach or Joe Montana.

MONTANA never won games by himself? WTF?

Not purely by his own talent. He was a leader and a clutch QB, but he didn't have the greatest arm known to man, and he had Jerry Rice in HIS prime catching football and Roger Craig. Plus a spectacular defense.

 

 

How good was Montana in Kansas City?

You do know that Montana had a ring before Rice even entered the NFL right?

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Dan Marino put up great numbers for some time and not only did he not have big name receivers, he didn't even have a credible running game.

Funny as Marino/Clayton have the third most touchdowns ever behind Rice/Young and Rice/Montana.

While Duper & Clayton were OK, that was more a case of Marino (and the offensive philosophy) making them look a hell of a lot better than they were.

Dan Marino has thrown that many TDs to Clayton because he had literally no one else to throw the ball at.

 

Of course, later on, he would be backed up by the blistering speed, pounding strength, and steadfast hands of Bernie Parmalee.

Straight from UPS to the NFL.

[Guest Vitamin X]

And to say that a 2 time Super Bowl MVP is overrated is stupid.  The fact that he didn't even finish in the top 3 for regular season MVP voting (even though his team was undefeated in months) shows that he's not overrated.

I like Tom Brady as much as the next guy in terms of where he stands amonst today's NFL QB's, however the reason for that I believe is because his play was overshadowed by how good New England's defense was/is.

 

My opinion on Brady is that he's a proven clutch QB and a great leader, while at the same time his play alone won't win games, so he's not among the all-time greats in the sense of a Marino, Elway, or Favre, who have all won games practically by themselves and their talent, but more along the lines of a Roger Staubach or Joe Montana.

MONTANA never won games by himself? WTF?

Not purely by his own talent. He was a leader and a clutch QB, but he didn't have the greatest arm known to man, and he had Jerry Rice in HIS prime catching football and Roger Craig. Plus a spectacular defense.

 

 

How good was Montana in Kansas City?

You do know that Montana had a ring before Rice even entered the NFL right?

Yes

 

But he had Roger Craig, Dwight Clark, and the defense in set from the first Super Bowl victory onward. All that was missing to make them unstoppable was Rice.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I think he got K.C. to the playoffs but he had hardly anything left by then. But he did have that hail mary to beat his former team.

[the pinjockey 0]

Roger Craig was not on the first Super Bowl team. Their best running back that year was Ricky Patton with 543 yards on the season.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Roger Craig was not on the first Super Bowl team. Their best running back that year was Ricky Patton with 543 yards on the season.

But he had Roger Craig, Dwight Clark, and the defense set in from the first Super Bowl victory onward. All that was missing to make them unstoppable was Rice.

 

I think you misread my post. I think I also mistyped it.

[the pinjockey 0]

Ok, independant names, Gotcha

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Strike that, had my seasons confused.