Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 The closest anyone came to calling pro-lifers extreme was a condemnation of people who bomb abortion clinics. If you're calling people who advocate freedom of marriage as extreme as them, you're a freaking moron. There's no other way to say it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 29, 2004 The closest anyone came to calling pro-lifers extreme was a condemnation of people who bomb abortion clinics. If you're calling people who advocate freedom of marriage as extreme as them, you're a freaking moron. There's no other way to say it. Just trying to not feel so alone, are ya Tyler? -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 ...what in the holy hell are you talking about? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 29, 2004 ...what in the holy hell are you talking about? This is me being shocked at you not understanding something. Really. I'm SHOCKED. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 oic brb Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 29, 2004 oic brb Please, don't be long. You'll be sorely missed. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 (ok now I am home~!) I don't think Pro-lifers are extremists. I just happen to disagree with their point of view. There is a difference (a huge one) besides a pro-lifer and someone who would bomb an abortion clinic, just like there is a difference between someone being anti-Iraq war and someone who would write that assanine article about Pat Tillman provided by that link above.(on the 1st page) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Pardon me for getting in between this poitical thread, but I would like to know who is "heroic or does noble deeds in IndyMedia's eyes. If a businessman donates 15 million dollars to help their "cause" or "fight" and some of these profits come from the fact that has sweat shops or moves jobs out of the country, how is that really any better? Well just my two cents, I will see you all two weeks before the election. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cerebus Report post Posted April 29, 2004 (ok now I am home~!) I don't think Pro-lifers are extremists. I just happen to disagree with their point of view. There is a difference (a huge one) besides a pro-lifer and someone who would bomb an abortion clinic, just like there is a difference between someone being anti-Iraq war and someone who would write that assanine article about Pat Tillman provided by that link above.(on the 1st page) Mike, I have to say i'm happy to read you believe that. I agree with you, I work with more than a few great politicians that are pro-choice on a daily basis, but I think too many liberals have breathed deep the MoveOn ABB swamp gas and it has blown more than a few of their rationally thinking brain cells. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 (ok now I am home~!) I don't think Pro-lifers are extremists. I just happen to disagree with their point of view. There is a difference (a huge one) besides a pro-lifer and someone who would bomb an abortion clinic, just like there is a difference between someone being anti-Iraq war and someone who would write that assanine article about Pat Tillman provided by that link above.(on the 1st page) Mike, I have to say i'm happy to read you believe that. I agree with you, I work with more than a few great politicians that are pro-choice on a daily basis, but I think too many liberals have breathed deep the MoveOn ABB swamp gas and it has blown more than a few of their rationally thinking brain cells. I am one of the more lefty personalities on this board, and I had never been until Moveon.whatever until I kept hearing it brought up on this board so much, and since then that was the only time I went. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Wildbomb 4:20 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 I'll agree with Mike pretty closely on this one, although I think it's a woman's choice up until late-term abortions, at which point it should be only if the mother's health is in jeopardy. Anyways. Based on the fact that 45% of Americans support civil unions for homosexuals, I couldn't label them extremists. Some people on the fringes gather and rally, yes, MikeSC, you're right. BUT, what of the people who marched on the state house who threw Bibles at people? Are they representative of the entire group of people who share a similar general view but come to a different rationalization for it? You're using labels far too broadly. And for the record: MoveOn.org: attempts to do grassroots politics, but needs a pole shoved though it's aorta. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 You don't have to. MikeSCland is much different than real planet earth. Says Tyler "Dean isn't that extreme" McClelland. Gay marriage proponents are EXTREMISTS. DEAL WITH IT. -=Mike Are you going to bother backing up the "extremist" argument, or just hope that if you say it enough times it will be true? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Maybe I'm just crazy, but I think depriving two people, regardless of sex, the right to marry each other because they're "different" and not what MikeSC defines as normal... is extreme Just a question... those of you who are against gay marriage: Are you against it because a) God didnt make adam and steve... gerhyuck gerhyuck b) you are a tireless crusader, defending the so called sanctity of marriage at a time when the divorce rate is skyrocketing and everyone is cheating on everyone or c) you're afraid that gay couples will overthrow the united states government and turn the country into a rainbow colored san-fran like haven? If being an extremist means that you support two loving people wanting to get married, which in turn doesnt effect me personally or anyone else I know... then hey, I'm a proud extremist hippie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen Joseph 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Mike, I'm sorry man, but I'm hardly an extremist as I align with your fairly closely. Yet I hold dear to the right to personal freedom, and am pro-choice for society. Pro-Choice is not an extreme viewpoint. On the political scale its slightly left but hardly extreme. I have to disagree with you on that. *cough* Remember this for the rest of your lives. I agree with Tyler...this one time... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Just a question... those of you who are against gay marriage: Are you against it because a) God didnt make adam and steve... gerhyuck gerhyuck b) you are a tireless crusader, defending the so called sanctity of marriage at a time when the divorce rate is skyrocketing and everyone is cheating on everyone or c) you're afraid that gay couples will overthrow the united states government and turn the country into a rainbow colored san-fran like haven? Mark me down for (a), I guess. Marriage = Man/Woman. *shrugs* And in regards to abortion -- it is legal to slaughter unborn babies, so I'm not about to go around and break the law in hopes of getting Roe v. Wade overturned. I'll leave the law-breaking to the pro-gay-marriage people. However, I'm not going to call sucking an unborn fetus out of a womb "reproductive freedom" or whatever b.s. term is being used this week by the feminazis... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Mike, I'm sorry man, but I'm hardly an extremist as I align with your fairly closely. Yet I hold dear to the right to personal freedom, and am pro-choice for society. Pro-Choice is not an extreme viewpoint. On the political scale its slightly left but hardly extreme. I have to disagree with you on that. *cough* Remember this for the rest of your lives. I agree with Tyler...this one time... Quite frankly, I do not support --- AT ALL --- banning of abortion. In my eyes, it is too simple a solution. I wish to change America's heart and soul --- not the laws. I want abortion to be all "safe and legal" --- and non-existant in this country because people find it deplorable. HOWEVER, partial birth abortion has no place in a civilized society. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Well just my two cents, I will see you all two weeks before the election. You better see me before that, hippie, if you want to keep your Jets franchise with my league, of which you are the champ of -- signups will be sooner than later... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hogan Made Wrestling 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Mike, I'm sorry man, but I'm hardly an extremist as I align with your fairly closely. Yet I hold dear to the right to personal freedom, and am pro-choice for society. Pro-Choice is not an extreme viewpoint. On the political scale its slightly left but hardly extreme. I have to disagree with you on that. *cough* Remember this for the rest of your lives. I agree with Tyler...this one time... Quite frankly, I do not support --- AT ALL --- banning of abortion. In my eyes, it is too simple a solution. I wish to change America's heart and soul --- not the laws. I want abortion to be all "safe and legal" --- and non-existant in this country because people find it deplorable. HOWEVER, partial birth abortion has no place in a civilized society. -=Mike So what's your argument? That pro-choicers are extreme, or that the group who supports partial birth abortions are extreme? Because I agree with the second being extreme, disagree with the first. Same way pro-lifers arn't extreme but the ones who bomb clinics obviously are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Mike, I'm sorry man, but I'm hardly an extremist as I align with your fairly closely. Yet I hold dear to the right to personal freedom, and am pro-choice for society. Pro-Choice is not an extreme viewpoint. On the political scale its slightly left but hardly extreme. I have to disagree with you on that. *cough* Remember this for the rest of your lives. I agree with Tyler...this one time... Quite frankly, I do not support --- AT ALL --- banning of abortion. In my eyes, it is too simple a solution. I wish to change America's heart and soul --- not the laws. I want abortion to be all "safe and legal" --- and non-existant in this country because people find it deplorable. HOWEVER, partial birth abortion has no place in a civilized society. -=Mike So what's your argument? That pro-choicers are extreme, or that the group who supports partial birth abortions are extreme? Because I agree with the second being extreme, disagree with the first. Same way pro-lifers arn't extreme but the ones who bomb clinics obviously are. The 2d group. I think pro-choicers as a group tend to be EXCEPTIONALLY intolerant of opposing views --- and their LEADERSHIP is so over-the-top it makes the rank-and-file look bad. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hogan Made Wrestling 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Mike, I'm sorry man, but I'm hardly an extremist as I align with your fairly closely. Yet I hold dear to the right to personal freedom, and am pro-choice for society. Pro-Choice is not an extreme viewpoint. On the political scale its slightly left but hardly extreme. I have to disagree with you on that. *cough* Remember this for the rest of your lives. I agree with Tyler...this one time... Quite frankly, I do not support --- AT ALL --- banning of abortion. In my eyes, it is too simple a solution. I wish to change America's heart and soul --- not the laws. I want abortion to be all "safe and legal" --- and non-existant in this country because people find it deplorable. HOWEVER, partial birth abortion has no place in a civilized society. -=Mike So what's your argument? That pro-choicers are extreme, or that the group who supports partial birth abortions are extreme? Because I agree with the second being extreme, disagree with the first. Same way pro-lifers arn't extreme but the ones who bomb clinics obviously are. The 2d group. I think pro-choicers as a group tend to be EXCEPTIONALLY intolerant of opposing views --- and their LEADERSHIP is so over-the-top it makes the rank-and-file look bad. -=Mike That of course is because so much of their main power base (who make up a large percentage of the leadership) is made up of feminists. Most male pro-choicers, from my experience, are much less over the top. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Years ago at a DNC convention, they wouldn't let former PA governor Bob Casey be a part of the festivities. The reason? He was pro-life... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Years ago at a DNC convention, they wouldn't let former PA governor Bob Casey be a part of the festivities. The reason? He was pro-life... Pro-lifers were forcibly dragged from a Kerry campaign appearance earlier this week. That of course is because so much of their main power base (who make up a large percentage of the leadership) is made up of feminists. Most male pro-choicers, from my experience, are much less over the top. Most women aren't nearly as extreme, either. Rush got worlds of heat for his "FemiNazi line". What people ignored was that he was not referring to most feminists. He was referring to the ones who were ridiculous gung-ho about abortion. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 well that is no different then the "republican only in name" label that some republicans are tagged with because they don't agree straight down the party line. It is politics, dirty messy, disgusting, politics, but what it ISN'T is exclusive to one side of the political spectrum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 29, 2004 well that is no different then the "republican only in name" label that some republicans are tagged with because they don't agree straight down the party line. It is politics, dirty messy, disgusting, politics, but what it ISN'T is exclusive to one side of the political spectrum. If you mean guys like Lincoln Chafee and Arlen Specter --- RINO is an exceptionally appropriate title. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 I'm pro-life yet I am for gay marriages. I guess I'm extreme on both sides of the spectrum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Or simply misguided. Oh and calling Wacky Arlen, Chaffee and that bitch Jeffords (when he was one anyway) RINOs is NOT just as extreme as calling abortion clinic bombers the same title... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 I just can't believe how worked up people get over which name (marriage or civil union) people BUTT fuck under. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Yep, I'm sure worked up over it. ROAR! There, you just made me throw my all-in-one printer/scanner/copier across the room. You're going to hear from my lawyer, hippie... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 As long as you didn't hit JJ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Well just my two cents, I will see you all two weeks before the election. You better see me before that, hippie, if you want to keep your Jets franchise with my league, of which you are the champ of -- signups will be sooner than later... I meant in Current Events, I read a lot of these threads in CE, to read the banter back and forth. I am so in the middle though I tend to agree with both sides on some viewpoints. There is only one thing I think we can all be united in, F*ck Middletown! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
