The draft returning?

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I don't see where he supported the draft either, he just illustrated how you make someone fight in a war, which was pretty much correct. Especially if jail time is the alternative.

 

As an aside, do they even use flamethrowers any more? Or is that technically a chemical weapon?

[snuffbox 0]

Just rumors. Like that one person said, if it does comeback, people would protest and backlash like crazy. And no one would go, and I still havent figured out how you can MAKE somebody go fight in a war.

Stick a gun in their hands. Put them in the frontlines.

 

The enemies will fire at them regardless. They can either fight or serve as a shield for other soldiers.

-=Mike

Which branch did you enlist in again?

[Guest MikeSC]

Just rumors. Like that one person said, if it does comeback, people would protest and backlash like crazy. And no one would go, and I still havent figured out how you can MAKE somebody go fight in a war.

Stick a gun in their hands. Put them in the frontlines.

 

The enemies will fire at them regardless. They can either fight or serve as a shield for other soldiers.

-=Mike

Which branch did you enlist in again?

And you HAVE a point here, right?

You replied, so evidently you do.

 

I'm not the one supporting a (albeit rumoured) bill supporting the reinstatement of the draft as is evidenced by your human shields/cannon fodder comment.

Who said I supported it.

 

You asked how you can "make" somebody fight.

 

I told you how you do it.

-=Mike

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Someone's gotta know about flamethrowers...Marney, Rant..you two like guns, hook it up with the gel ignite.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Am I the only one who thinks that thought is incomplete?

Probably not. I was trying to figure out the most eloquent way of saying, basically, that once enough Americans join the pissed off no-war bandwagon and it becomes more than hippies and OMGROFLNOBLOODFOROIL then it suddently becomes in the politicians' best interest to stop being at war as soon as they can.

 

I don't think Kerry could stop a draft from happening by somehow making peace appear in Iraq any faster than Bush can, because that's stupid. I do think Kerry is less likely to go start a fight with another nation because he might start a fight with us.

 

Because, honestly, if we do that enough, other countries WILL start attacking out us out of the blue.

[Guest Ram]

Can't run to Canada? That'd be hard to do anyway from here. I could make it to Mexico twice as fast!

 

Anyway, I don't foresee a draft returning anytime soon. It'd be political death to anyone who let it slide in.

[Guest MikeSC]

Am I the only one who thinks that thought is incomplete?

Probably not. I was trying to figure out the most eloquent way of saying, basically, that once enough Americans join the pissed off no-war bandwagon and it becomes more than hippies and OMGROFLNOBLOODFOROIL then it suddently becomes in the politicians' best interest to stop being at war as soon as they can.

 

I don't think Kerry could stop a draft from happening by somehow making peace appear in Iraq any faster than Bush can, because that's stupid. I do think Kerry is less likely to go start a fight with another nation because he might start a fight with us.

 

Because, honestly, if we do that enough, other countries WILL start attacking out us out of the blue.

JOTW, hate to break it to you, but few other countries can HOPE to attack us. If Britain or Israel don't do it --- not much of anybody else can hope to try.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Stick a gun in their hands. Put them in the frontlines.

 

The enemies will fire at them regardless. They can either fight or serve as a shield for other soldiers.

        -=Mike

Which branch did you enlist in again?

And you HAVE a point here, right?

[Guest MikeSC]

Stick a gun in their hands. Put them in the frontlines.

 

The enemies will fire at them regardless. They can either fight or serve as a shield for other soldiers.

         -=Mike

Which branch did you enlist in again?

And you HAVE a point here, right?

So, that'd be a no.

 

Thanks, Kamui.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Wow, you didn't pick up the subtlety. I'm impressed with your ignorance.

 

 

Thanks, Loudspeaker.

[snuffbox 0]

Mike, if you can type so brashly about the military from a computer desk...

 

Youd damn well better type what branch you served in...

 

If you didnt, the word isnt 'chickenhawk', its 'pussy'.

[Guest MikeSC]

Mike, if you can type so brashly about the military from a computer desk...

 

Youd damn well better type what branch you served in...

 

If you didnt, the word isnt 'chickenhawk', its 'pussy'.

snuffbox, you are a moron. I feel less intelligent having to admit I am aware of your existence. I've had farts with more intellectual substance than you.

Wow, you didn't pick up the subtlety. I'm impressed with your ignorance.

 

 

Thanks, Loudspeaker.

Whatever you sat, Kamui.

-=Mike

[snuffbox 0]

So you have absolutely no military experience?

 

Yet, you type like youre Patton....

 

Pathetic, you can type alot of words but you cant do a damn thing for your country.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

You don't have to be in the military to criticize it. Otherwise how does one explain the 60's and 70's?

 

and snuffbox, I don't remember reading where you're an army ranger either, so the chicken and pussy remarks can go ahead and stop all around. Besides, you're the one who said "O Canada" when the topic was brought up. Talk about pussy.

[Guest MikeSC]

Blah Blah Blah.

 

Yada Yada Yada.

Edited for appropriate content level.

 

BTW, I'm a "pussy", but you said you'd go to Canada if a draft was instituted? Lovely.

-=Mike

...One must be in the military to support the military, but if you OPPOSE it, pussifying yourself and running to Canada is peachy? Got it

 

EDIT: Out of curiosity for how your ideals works, snuff, can you criticize the government if you're not a part of it?

[snuffbox 0]

I dont support the war...but I support the troops...

 

 

I dont speak out against soldiers or objectors...

 

My families long history in the military has led me to not participate...and to never speak/type with a brash cavalier attitude against servicepeople and objectors. I have seen the effects of war throughout my life and have enough respect to never type ignorant words against people who fight and choose not to.

 

Mike - You tell others to grab arms and fight. You didnt want to. I dont want to, I dont tell others to in my defense. Your a pussy.

[Guest MikeSC]

I dont support the war...but I support the troops...

 

I dont speak out against soldiers or objectors...

 

My families long history in the military has led me to not participate...and to never speak/type with a brash cavalier attitude against servicepeople and objectors. I have seen the effects of war throughout my life and have enough respect to never type ignorant words against people who fight and choose not to.

Ah, and you just naturally suppose my family has no experience, huh?

Mike - You tell others to grab arms and fight. You didnt want to. I dont want to, I dont tell others to in my defense. Your a pussy.

Who did I ever tell to grab arms and fight? Care to point it out to me, snuffy? Can you do it?

 

Closest I've ever come, oh mental masturbator, is when Naibus asked how you can make somebody fight and I told him how it's done.

 

Didn't say I support the draft. If I got drafted, I'd go. I wouldn't run to Canada.

 

THAT is the coward's way out.

 

Obviously, you are a coward --- and a blithering idiot.

 

So be it.

 

It's not like this is a shocking revelation.

-=Mike

EDIT: Didn't a mod just say to cut off the "pussy" crap, you f'n moron?

[snuffbox 0]

Just rumors. Like that one person said, if it does comeback, people would protest and backlash like crazy. And no one would go, and I still havent figured out how you can MAKE somebody go fight in a war.

Stick a gun in their hands. Put them in the frontlines.

 

The enemies will fire at them regardless. They can either fight or serve as a shield for other soldiers.

-=Mike

Which branch did you enlist in again?

This.

[Guest MikeSC]

Just rumors. Like that one person said, if it does comeback, people would protest and backlash like crazy. And no one would go, and I still havent figured out how you can MAKE somebody go fight in a war.

Stick a gun in their hands. Put them in the frontlines.

 

The enemies will fire at them regardless. They can either fight or serve as a shield for other soldiers.

-=Mike

Which branch did you enlist in again?

This.

I bolded the RELEVANT part for you, since you're a little slow on the uptake. It has been explained, by more than just me, the point.

-=Mike

...Wow, no usage of the term "pussy" here. You've changed.

[snuffbox 0]

Just rumors. Like that one person said, if it does comeback, people would protest and backlash like crazy. And no one would go, and I still havent figured out how you can MAKE somebody go fight in a war.

Stick a gun in their hands. Put them in the frontlines.

 

The enemies will fire at them regardless. They can either fight or serve as a shield for other soldiers.

-=Mike

Which branch did you enlist in again?

This.

I bolded the RELEVANT part for you, since you're a little slow on the uptake.

They dont do that Mike....

 

Objectors go to jail.

[Guest MikeSC]

Just rumors. Like that one person said, if it does comeback, people would protest and backlash like crazy. And no one would go, and I still havent figured out how you can MAKE somebody go fight in a war.

Stick a gun in their hands. Put them in the frontlines.

 

The enemies will fire at them regardless. They can either fight or serve as a shield for other soldiers.

-=Mike

Which branch did you enlist in again?

This.

I bolded the RELEVANT part for you, since you're a little slow on the uptake.

They dont do that Mike....

 

Objectors go to jail.

The question WAS how do you "make" them fight?

 

THAT is how you make them fight. Stick them in the frontlines. They'll HAVE to fight because the enemy will fire at them regardless.

 

Really, this isn't that complicated.

-=Mike

[Guest Cerebus]

As an aside, do they even use flamethrowers any more? Or is that technically a chemical weapon?

It isn't considered a chemical weapon but as far as I know they've been phased out of the US Army after Vietnam. I could be very well be wrong so don't quote me on that (I'll talk to some Army buddies of mine and get back to you).

 

re Snuffbox/Mike/Naibus/JotW spat. There have been stupid and juvenile discussions on CE before but man, this takes the cake. Mike's comment was cold but "I hope you get drafted" remark was an incredibly stupid thing to respond with. What does that even mean? You want to see him die in battle? What? Also Snuff's "What branch did you enlist in?" is an equally dumb remark. Since I'm the only person here who actually WAS in the military I guess you're all pussies except for me. Makes sense.

[snuffbox 0]

Since I'm the only person who actually WAS in the military I guess you're all pussies except for me. Makes sense.

That might be a bit hyperbolic....

 

But my thanks for your service. Seriously, so dont take it any other way.

[Guest MikeSC]

As an aside, do they even use flamethrowers any more? Or is that technically a chemical weapon?

It isn't considered a chemical weapon but as far as I know they've been phased out of the US Army after Vietnam. I could be very well be wrong so don't quote me on that (I'll talk to some Army buddies of mine and get back to you).

 

re Snuffbox/Mike/Naibus/JotW spat. There have been stupid and juvenile discussions on CE before but man, this takes the cake. Mike's comment was cold but "I hope you get drafted" remark was an incredibly stupid thing to respond with. What does that even mean? You want to see him die in battle? What? Also Snuff's "What branch did you enlist in?" is an equally dumb remark. Since I'm the only person here who actually WAS in the military I guess you're all pussies except for me. Makes sense.

My comment was not intended to be cold. It was answering a question.

 

If you want to make somebody fight, you stick them in a situation where there is no viable alternative.

 

Stick them in the front and put a gun in their hands. They're not going to fire on their own troops because they'll have too enemies firing upon them. They won't surrender as being a POW isn't exactly pleasant.

 

So, they'll fight --- because death is never a preferrable option.

-=Mike

EDIT: I'm not sure how much good flamethrowers would do in this conflict. They're in a desert and I always assumed that most of the buildings were stone-based, not made of wood.

[snuffbox 0]

Just rumors. Like that one person said, if it does comeback, people would protest and backlash like crazy. And no one would go, and I still havent figured out how you can MAKE somebody go fight in a war.

Stick a gun in their hands. Put them in the frontlines.

 

The enemies will fire at them regardless. They can either fight or serve as a shield for other soldiers.

-=Mike

Which branch did you enlist in again?

This.

I bolded the RELEVANT part for you, since you're a little slow on the uptake.

They dont do that Mike....

 

Objectors go to jail.

The question WAS how do you "make" them fight?

 

THAT is how you make them fight. Stick them in the frontlines. They'll HAVE to fight because the enemy will fire at them regardless.

 

Really, this isn't that complicated.

-=Mike

Moot.

 

Thats not what is done. That is not what should be done.

 

You suggested that people should be thrown into war. You have no idea what your typing about.

[Guest MikeSC]

Moot.

 

Thats not what is done. That is not what should be done.

 

You suggested that people should be thrown into war. You have no idea what your typing about.

Yeesh.

 

I didn't say that's what should be done. I can tell you how to kill somebody --- doesn't mean I ADVOCATE you doing it.

 

You're a moron who is intentionally missing the point. So be it. Continue being a moron, if you wish.

-=Mike

EDIT: I'll make this simple and explain it to you monosyllabically, so you MIGHT grasp it:

 

If you want to make guy fight, you make it sole choice. Not good to do it, but that how you do it.

[snuffbox 0]

Maybe you should consider ways to avoid wars....avoid drafting young people....avoid deaths....

 

 

Instead of - Draft em and give em guns to fight, noone wants to die over there!'

[Guest MikeSC]

Maybe you should consider ways to avoid wars....avoid drafting young people....avoid deaths....

 

 

Instead of - Draft em and give em guns to fight, noone wants to die over there!'

Again, care to explain where I advocated a draft?

 

I know, in your fantasy land, war is NEVER necessary and negotiation and diplomacy ALWAYS work.

 

In the real world, that seldom is the case.

 

In case you MISSED it (HERE), I'm not exactly supportive of this war any longer, either.

-=Mike

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

EDIT: I'm not sure how much good flamethrowers would do in this conflict. They're in a desert and I always assumed that most of the buildings were stone-based, not made of wood.

 

Fire always works.

 

Speaking of flames, the stupid personal remarks in this thread are stopping on all counts, and this time I'm not asking. Take that shit to the HD septic tank if you want. It bears no relevance to military conscription.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I'm just saying Mike is acting like a chickenhawk. There's nothing to ashamed of there, I guess, as so is a lot of people in Washington who actually make decisions that count about this stuff.

 

He's also consistantly the loudest guy on the right side of this board, hence the Loudmouth title when he started calling me names. I didn't say the "I hope you get drafted" line, but "They can either fight or serve as a shield for other soldiers." is a quote that Ann Coulter would probably be proud of. When you want to talk that big and tough towards people who don't want to go into the military, it's more effective if you actually have experience on your part.

 

And AOO, I kindly suggest you go back to General Chat or wherever you hung around prior if you don't like personal remarks. We're pretty thick-skinned here, and while out-of-control flaming certainly is a no-no, just calling each other names is pretty common around here.

Edited May 2, 2004 by Jobber of the Week