The draft returning?

[Guest MikeSC]

I'm just saying Mike is acting like a chickenhawk. There's nothing to ashamed of there, I guess, as so is a lot of people in Washington who actually make decisions that count about this stuff.

So, can I all YOU names because you criticize the Bush administration, even though you're not in government?

He's also consistantly the loudest guy on the right side of this board, hence the Loudmouth title when he started calling me names.

I initiated nothing.

I didn't say the "I hope you get drafted" line, but "They can either fight or serve as a shield for other soldiers." is a quote that Ann Coulter would probably be proud of.

Your COMPLETE desire to NOT ACTUALLY GET THE POINT is mind-boggling.

 

The question was asked "HOW CAN YOU MAKE THEM FIGHT"?

 

I ANSWERED the question. I've explained that REPEATEDLY now. Even BOLDED the EXACT question I answered.

 

Jesus, there is no need to be dense. There is no way you're THIS dense --- I hope.

When you want to talk that big and tough towards people who don't want to go into the military, it's more effective if you actually have experience on your part.

Care to explain where I made a comment on the draft PERIOD? Can you point it out to me? It's a rumor and I don't spend a lot of time worrying about rumors.

 

And I already posted that I'm not in support of this war, also --- YOU are just trying to prove a point about something and tanking in the process.

 

This is a non-issue that YOU are others are raising because you're being intentionally dense. Heck, Agent got the point of it EARLY on.

-=Mike

Edit:

And AOO, I kindly suggest you go back to General Chat or wherever you hung around prior if you don't like personal remarks. We're pretty thick-skinned here, and while out-of-control flaming certainly is a no-no, just calling each other names is pretty common around here

You added an edit to tell a mod off?

 

Brilliant move there.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I initiated nothing.

Right.

 

Your COMPLETE desire to NOT ACTUALLY GET THE POINT is mind-boggling.

 

The question was asked "HOW CAN YOU MAKE THEM FIGHT"?

 

Okay, okay. I understand now. I'll buy that. Your comment still came off with a bit of a cold brush, but whatever.

 

You added an edit to tell a mod off?

 

Brilliant move there.

 

I'm being honest. People are passionate about their political opinions, this forum has traditionally more flaming than other non-HD forums but anything spiraling out of control such as this conversation quickly is would be moved to HD. I consider this arguement done now, though.

 

And I'm not as afraid to tell that to a mod as I would a normal poster who complained of the insults and names being thrown around.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

And AOO, I kindly suggest you go back to General Chat or wherever you hung around prior if you don't like personal remarks. We're pretty thick-skinned here, and while out-of-control flaming certainly is a no-no, just calling each other names is pretty common around here.

 

I've posted here plenty and flamed Rob Stone enough times to know the day to day mannerisms in this folder.

 

Would you not agree that "You're a chickenhawk!" and "You're a moron!" add virtually nothing to the subject, which while I admit was retarded in the first place, and degenerated things quickly?

 

Believe me, I'm the last moderator that gives a fuck about flamewars, as long as they're relevant to the subject.

 

If I had to pinpoint a singularity of retardation though, it's "I hope you get drafted," so don't think I'm picking on anyone specifically other than Snuffbox.

 

You added an edit to tell a mod off?

 

Brilliant move there.

 

I can read, Mike.

[Guest MikeSC]

Your COMPLETE desire to NOT ACTUALLY GET THE POINT is mind-boggling.

 

The question was asked "HOW CAN YOU MAKE THEM FIGHT"?

 

Okay, okay. I understand now. I'll buy that. Your comment still came off with a bit of a cold brush, but whatever.

It was an answer to a question. It was simply a matter-of-fact statement.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I've posted here plenty and flamed Rob Stone enough times to know the day to day mannerisms in this folder.

 

Would you not agree that "You're a chickenhawk!" and "You're a moron!" add virtually nothing to the subject, which while I admit was retarded in the first place, and degenerated things quickly?

Alright then. I think it was a simple matter of misintepretation. It sounded like Mike was approving of what he was describing there, and as such the draft.

 

Believe me, I'm the last moderator that gives a fuck about flamewars, as long as they're relevant to the subject.

 

Ok.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

re Snuffbox/Mike/Naibus/JotW spat. There have been stupid and juvenile discussions on CE before but man, this takes the cake.

Yeah, this is pretty petty and juvenile.

 

Keep up the good work guys, and chickenhawks -- this is some great stuff...

[NoCalMike 0]

ermm, hmmm. I don't quite get how all this hostility came about. I think MikeSC was just answering a HYPOTHETICAL FUCKING QUESTION, and people didn't understand that his answer that followed was also hypothetical. Sheesh, settle down folks....

 

Oh, and my dad was drafted and went through basic training, but by the time he was ready to go, the war was on the tail end, and troops actually ended up being called back, so he was fortunate enough, not to have to get sent over to Vietnam. Which kind of sucks for all of you on this board, because that allowed me to be born and come on here and be my annoying self......

[Guest Crazy Dan]

Well one advantage to bringing back the draft, that many obese kids would lose that weight real quick. And being that many more kids have attitude problems andsince many more are being raised with bad parents, so a good kick in the rear might solve that problem.

 

All kidding aside, I am not sure we need a draft. I know I would absolutely hate being drafted, and know that I would have a hard time being all that I can be. Some of just don't like being broken down to nothing and remolded in a image where you don't question anything. I for one would have that problem, heck I couldn't even deal with two days of the Fire Academy. And that allowed you to drop. (the only time I have quit doing something, by the way, but if you want to brand me a quitter, I deserve it)

 

I think the best soldiers are the ones that volunteer for action and not the ones forced into fighting. Especially if this a cause you don't believe in, which was more than likely a problem in Vietnam. Same case could be made about Iraq. How effective can a soldier be when he is fighting for something they either don't believe in, or find immoral? Now if you get young men who believes in what they are fighting for, or want to fight for the freedoms of us all, they are the ones you want in the Army.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Flamethrowers for AoO

 

Though flamethrowers were in use as recently as the Vietnam War, none of our service branches has any in their inventory now.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Oh, and my dad was drafted and went through basic training, but by the time he was ready to go, the war was on the tail end, and troops actually ended up being called back, so he was fortunate enough, not to have to get sent over to Vietnam. Which kind of sucks for all of you on this board, because that allowed me to be born and come on here and be my annoying self......

So if the Vietnam Conflict had gone on for another year or so we'd have No NoCal Mike.

 

Oh, my old man almost participated in Korea -- he jumped out of air planes and stuff. The closest thing to combat he had, according to him, was one night him and a few buddies were in Japan getting drunk and a bunch of natives started surrounding their jeep in a threatening manner. His one friend then grabbed the gun on the jeep and threatened to fire. The mob scattered.

 

I also knew this one guy that fought in Korea at my one job. The stories he had to tell. Not only did he have part of a finger shot off he had several holes from a bayonett (sp?) attack. He called them his "multiple belly-buttons" and he proudly showed them to me...

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

My grandpa took a piece of shrapnel from a Kamikaze in the Pacific.

 

My dad was a hippie.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

My Grandpa was a Tank Commander in WW2, and my great grandfather lost his leg in WW1.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

My great grandfather lost his leg in WW1.

Did he find it?

 

I know, I know. I'm going to hell -- no need to say what a horrible person I am...

[Guest MikeSC]

Well one advantage to bringing back the draft, that many obese kids would lose that weight real quick.  And being that many more kids have attitude problems andsince many more are being raised with bad parents, so a good kick in the rear might solve that problem. 

Heck, bringing a draft might inspire kids to get FATTER. The army doesn't like fatties.

All kidding aside, I am not sure we need a draft.  I know I would absolutely hate being drafted, and know that I would have a hard time being all that I can be.  Some of just don't like being broken down to nothing and remolded in a image where you don't question anything.  I for one would have that problem, heck I couldn't even deal with two days of the Fire Academy.  And that allowed you to drop. (the only time I have quit doing something, by the way, but if you want to brand me a quitter, I deserve it)

I don't think that the draft is even close to being a necessity. Re-enlistments rates are quite high presently.

I think the best soldiers are the ones that volunteer for action and not the ones forced into fighting.  Especially if this a cause you don't believe in, which was more than likely a problem in Vietnam.  Same case could be made about Iraq.  How effective can a soldier be when he is fighting for something they either don't believe in, or find immoral?  Now if you get young men who believes in what they are fighting for, or want to fight for the freedoms of us all, they are the ones you want in the Army.

A drafted military can be quite effective. World War II wasn't fought with a volunteer army, if memory serves. But, I wouldn't recommend a draft to anybody. Far too many problems.

-=Mike