Musicians selling-out

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

I never ONCE fucking heard anyone consider them PUNK.

 

NOT ONE FUCKING SOUL ON THE GOD DAMN EARTH.

 

Korn is Nu-Metal/Hard Rock.

For Korn, you forgot Grunge.

[Guest Choken One]

Grunge?

 

Not that either.

 

Don't throw out Musical Genres ok.

 

Next you'll say that they were Sweedish Death Polka.

[EricMM 0]

I thought he was talking about Less Than Jake...

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

Metallica is the only group to whom I will apply the generally stupid and distasteful "sold out" tag.

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

I was talking about Korn - they are definitely Grunge.

 

HMW, you're right - and what's sadder is that they couldn't do it successfully.

 

On their "return", no matter what, Rolling Stone were gonna be all over that.

[Jack_Bauer 0]

I would say KoRn are grungy, but not really grunge.

 

Again, I am a big fan of Metallica's stuff after the sell out, so I'm not terribly bothered by what they did.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I never ONCE fucking heard anyone consider them PUNK.

 

NOT ONE FUCKING SOUL ON THE GOD DAMN EARTH.

 

Korn is Nu-Metal/Hard Rock.

For Korn, you forgot Grunge.

Do't ever EVER call Korn grunge.

 

Not in the slightest way are they grunge. not at all. freaking Nickelback is more Grunge.

[Red Baron 0]

No one sold out worse than Def Leppard.

 

Listen to their stuff before Pyromania, its completely different.

[caboose 0]

With Metallica, they kind of sold-out for the Black Album, then went off in a random direction ever since. I wouldn't say Load, Reload, St. Anger etc are sell-out records, more albums of a band that musically progressed in a totally unexpected manner.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I'd call St. Anger sell outish but not the others.

[caboose 0]

I'd say St. Anger is anything but sell-outish, its just really bad.

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

I didn't even intend to mean Metallica sold out musically, more their change in appearance, attitude, all that Napster stuff, etc.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

I don't consider Load and Re-Load to be great examples of selling out, because if Metallica HAD sold out, they would've just done The Black Album part II or something, since the album made more money then anything else they had done up to that point. It made no sense for them to change their style so totally if they wanted money only - they would've stuck with what works.

 

On St. Anger - yeah, I call that selling out. They changed their musical style to sell albums. They didn't sit down and go "Ok, lets write some good music", they sat down and said "Ok, let's try and sound cool like we used to so people will buy our crap again". And that shows when you listen to the album - they pumped the length of some of the songs up to like, 7 minutes, just so they could claim to be writing long songs again - but I mean, listen to the video and album version of St. Anger. One is two minutes shorter, yet you don't miss a single beat of the music. You just hear it repeated fewer times.

 

They wanted the apperance of being the metal band they once were, so they came up with some heavy riffs, deliberately made the album sound like garbage (all I can hear on that thing is Lars' snare going BAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAM in a horribly out-of-tune way) and made the songs longer. Why did they do this? To make money. Somehow, I don't think that they all had a sudden change of heart and relented their Load-ish ways.

[Guest whatitistoburn]

For the record, the best thing to come out of nu-metal was the deftones.

[caboose 0]

If they were Nu-Metal they would be the best thing. But they are actually a bloody great Metal band.

[PLAGIARISM! 0]

Oh don't get me started.

[nl5xsk1 0]

The only band that I can think of that's really done a good job of not selling out at all is Fugazi. They release their own records, on Ian's own label, they limit the cost of records/discs/cassettes and they limit how expensive their shows are. (of course, I think Ian comes from a very rich family, so doesn't need to rape the fans wallets to make extra money.)

 

How about a band like Phish, though, that went on hiatus right when they were reaching a level of mainstream popularity/notoriety? They kind of did the exact opposite of selling out, by disappearing from the scene rather than exploit their new money-making potential.

 

And not all selling out is bad: David Bowie admits that a lot of his 80s songs were just to make $$$, and I dig a lot of those tunes (China Girl, Let's Dance, etc.)

[cabbageboy 0]

I think the whole Limp Bizkit debate has led to a couple of misunderstandings. Initially I think it was said that LB was the best of a crappy genre (rap rock). Then someone else took it to mean they were the best of nu metal. I might go along with Bizkit being ok for rap rock, but there's better nu metal stuff.

 

Korn grunge? Hell no. I have a vague recollection of Korn circa 1994 when they got some brief airplay. If anything I recall how put off I was because they sounded so different from the bands that were popular at the time (mainly grunge). Actually I'm STILL put off by Korn to some extent, when I'm not laughing my ass off at them.

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

Limp Bizkit have wrote some damn good music, I'll be the first to admit that - but they are the epitome of the sell-out and Fred Durst is a wanker.

 

But if they didn't sell-out, they'd probably be redoing Three Dollar Bill Y'all over and over again.

 

Quite a bit of Korn's stuff is Grunge - My Gift to You is Grunge - But tunes such as the ones that were all over the charts a few years ago (Freak on a Leash) are just pure Hard Rock.

 

And I already said it - they did sell-out, but Metallica WOULD NOT have been able to come back without doing that, or at least being accused of doing it, due to their style of the music and the target audience of today.

[Jack_Bauer 0]

Metallica could have released an Irish Folk Album last year, and it would have been huge.

[Skywarp! 0]

The most blatant and quintessential example of selling out is comparing pre "Fly" and post "Fly" Sugar Ray.

[Dangerous K89 0]

Do you guys even know what the hell grunge music is?

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

Do you guys even know what the hell grunge music is?

The lead singer is drug-fucked.

 

Or...

 

A style of rock music that incorporates elements of punk rock and heavy metal, popularized in the early 1990s and often marked by lyrics exhibiting nihilism, dissatisfaction or apathy.

 

i.e. Korn.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Korn's pretty much your prototype for nu metal. Thick distortion chugged out low, with simple backbeats and rhythms, lots of dissonance that's easy to swallow, and lyrics centered around self-loathing and emotional trauma. They're awful, and they spawned a whole generation of shitty bands, along with Metallica.

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

Korn's pretty much your prototype for nu metal. Thick distortion chugged out low, with simple backbeats and rhythms, lots of dissonance that's easy to swallow, and lyrics centered around self-loathing and emotional trauma. They're awful, and they spawned a whole generation of shitty bands, along with Metallica.

Excellent description, but the fact is, with Korn, I found that they combined Jonathan Davis' vocals with grungey backbeats and the sounds of their immediate instruments to write a lot of songs that just made you not know how to feel inside.

 

I'm not saying that they're the greatest band of all time, but they gave the mainstream a taste of Grunge, and didn't let them have it. Not that that was necessarily a safe thing to do.

 

They've written some excellent songs.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

A taste of grunge? The genre is completely media-invented in the first place. Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam (at that time), Mudhoney..all those Seattle bands were the genre that was spontaneously (and poorly) deemed fashionable. All those bands were just members of other crap-ass local acts that somehow congregated at the right time. I mean, at least three popular members of that scene were in a band called Cat BUTT. Silverchair was the australian fake Nirvana, so if anything gave the public a "taste" of the genre over there, it would've been them, but they weren't worth a damn publicity-wise until after Nirvana hit, so that point's moot anyway.

 

Korn really hit after all this, and completely without the punk rock element. To say they have a "taste of grunge" in them is accurate, but it's merely an minor influence if anything, and nothing they pioneered at all.

[haVoc 0]

Not until this thread have I ever heard Korn be called grunge. Let me guess, Rage Against the Machine has a "taste of grunge" as well, right?

[Perfxion 0]

"Rage Against the Machine is a regge group beccause the lead singer has dreds".

 

"Run DMC is a rock group because they had a few songs with riffs in them."

 

I can say dumb shit too with the slightest bit of truth squashed by bullshit. KoRn is nothing more than a nu-metal band. Not to say that all nu-metal is bad, but they are a nu-metal band. KoRn helped spawn groups like Linkin Park, not follow the lead of Nirvana.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Korn is also the worst band name ever.

[Mecha Mummy 0]

Korn is also the worst band name ever.

Uhm, worse than Limp Bizkit?