USA POW Beheaded

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I, honestly, have no problem playing the audio. Jobber, people need to face what it is we're dealing with. If people wish to believe that diplomacy can work --- that tape should disprove them of that notion.

Oh good lord. Violence breeds violence. I still don't know how blowing people up is going to make other people hate us less. How does blowing up EVERYONE who hate us stop other people from hating us? These questions have never been answered from the start of this conflict.

 

I disagree with playing this all over the place, though I do agree with showing the most hideous of the prisoner photos. Why? Well, one, because we have a right as a people to see what our military is doing. But the other reason is, ironically enough, the same reason you gave slight approval of the content of those pictures.

 

Those people are prisoners. It doesn't matter to us if releasing their pictures embarasses them or their families.

 

This man is an American, he doesn't deserve to have his death glorified for any cause, pro-war (as you want) or anti-war (as Mr. Berg.) Unlike the people in the prison, he did nothing wrong and it's not right to make his loved ones suffer by playing the video constantly.

 

To say that his death should be used by the public for political purposes is pretty disgusting.

 

And Hannity played it before Savage.

 

Fine then. Rush?

 

As for Mr. Berg --- I understand he's angry. I cannot FATHOM the pain he feels. However, if he's going to use his son's death to advance his political agenda (he was anti-war long before the death), then criticizing him, to me, is fair game.

 

Uh, LOL?

[Guest MikeSC]

I, honestly, have no problem playing the audio. Jobber, people need to face what it is we're dealing with. If people wish to believe that diplomacy can work --- that tape should disprove them of that notion.

Oh good lord. Violence breeds violence. I still don't know how blowing people up is going to make other people hate us less. How does blowing up EVERYONE who hate us stop other people from hating us? These questions have never been answered from the start of this conflict.

JOTW, you seem to act as if you think they haven't decapitated prisoners before. This isn't a new thing.

 

At a point, the "violence only begets more violence" rationale has to go bye-bye. Were we wrong to attack Japan after they attacked us? Heck, what reason did we have to attack Germany, since they never physically attacked us first?

 

We did it because it HAD to be done.

I disagree with playing this all over the place, though I do agree with showing the most hideous of the prisoner photos. Why? Well, one, because we have a right as a people to see what our military is doing. But the other reason is, ironically enough, the same reason you gave slight approval of the content of those pictures.

 

Those people are prisoners. It doesn't matter to us if releasing their pictures embarasses them or their families.

 

This man is an American, he doesn't deserve to have his death glorified for any cause, pro-war (as you want) or anti-war (as Mr. Berg.) Unlike the people in the prison, he did nothing wrong and it's not right to make his loved ones suffer by playing the video constantly.

You assume I LIKE his death being glorified? No --- it's a stark lesson in what we face. It is what is staring us down and, sadly, they'd to the same thing to you if you were captured by them.

 

What happened to Berg is WORSE because he did NOTHING to the terrorists. Nothing at all. We can't publicize OUR misdeeds while completely ignoring those of the enemy. It gives one incredibly slanted picture of the situation --- much as the media's coverage of the Tet Offensive slanted against reality and did a bang-up job of turning the public against the war.

To say that his death should be used by the public for political purposes is pretty disgusting.

Should we never show 9/11 images ever?

How about Pearl Harbor? Showing footage of that out of bounds?

 

At a certain point, people have to be woken up to what is at hand. These terrorists want ALL of us dead --- you AND me both. This isn't a fight between ideology in this country --- it a fight where you and I have to face down a common foe.

 

The country got most of its petty bickering out of the way to battle the Nazis and Japanese in World War II --- and we've seemed thoroughly incapable of doing it again. We are showing the world that they don't have to beat us --- we'll beat ourselves.

 

What happened to Berg is news. It should be covered.

As for Mr. Berg --- I understand he's angry. I cannot FATHOM the pain he feels. However, if he's going to use his son's death to advance his political agenda (he was anti-war long before the death), then criticizing him, to me, is fair game.

Uh, LOL?

The man has made comments such as Al Qaeda "might" be as bad as Bush.

 

I empathize with the loss of his son. I honestly do. I lost my uncle today and it isn't easy for me to handle that --- his loss is INFINITELY greater than mine.

 

HOWEVER, if he wishes to make idiotic political statements, he is not out of bounds for criticism. You wish to blame Bush and Rumsfeld specifically for the death, feel free --- just expect people to dispute your claims.

-=Mike

[AmericanDragon 0]

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[Styles 0]

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I thought hunger4unger was banned?

[Guest MikeSC]

http://www.rense.com/general52/anom.htm

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cf...&contentid=1237

I thought hunger4unger was banned?

We should be glad he found a new place to write.

-=Mike

[Guest Pop-Up Pirate]

These people are fucked up, revenge or not, this is the kinds of dumb shits that we're dealing with. These people are dogs, and I'm starting to not give a damn if we treat them as such or not. The type of people who have done this, they aren't human.

Really simple question: would they have done this if the US and UK hadn't invaded their country to "liberate" them then gone around killing civilians and torturing people? What do you think?

 

It's deliberately ignorant opinions like this that mean this problem will never get sorted out.

[Guest Pop-Up Pirate]

We can't publicize OUR misdeeds while completely ignoring those of the enemy. It gives one incredibly slanted picture of the situation --- much as the media's coverage of the Tet Offensive slanted against reality and did a bang-up job of turning the public against the war.

So now we were doing the right thing by invading Vietnam? The media coverage wasn't slanted in the slightest! We went and not only bombed villages full of innocent people, but its now been proved Kissinger authorised the bombing of countries that weren't even in the war! Where's our justification for that?

 

All this talk of "our enemy"...why were we there in the first place? When we sold them the weapons, hell, when we divided the Middle East up in the first place (Iraq is a construct of the British in 1923) to use the divide and conquer tactics. Lest we all forget, Britain invented the concentration camp, carpet bombing of civilian targets, among other things.

 

When the Iraqis gassed civilians in 1988, who was there protesting about it? I'm from the UK, and only 6 out of our 650 MPs signed a motion condemning it, 6 which doesn't include any of the current Cabinet who seem so morally opposed to Saddam's regime now. We were too busy selling them weapons to be worried about their attitude to Kurds then.

 

All I ask from people reading this thread who are justifiably angry that another innocent person has had to die is learn a little about it. Learn why Al-Qaeda exists, learn about the history of the region and the West's part in it. It doesn't justify the dreadful things that have gone on, but it does help to explain them. And maybe we can just leave well alone in future.

[chaosrage 0]

I just went back and read his latest posts, and I'm just shocked. No way in hell could this guy be serious, I just don't buy it. He says one thing, people get pissed, then he seems to go out of his way to top his last rant of stuipidity to get a rise out of people once again.

 

I didn't think he was a troll a few pages back, but it's getting to the point where it's rather obvious.

That's not trolling. THIS is trolling.

 

http://itscwrestling.com/si/forums/index.c...mes;read=173285

http://itscwrestling.com/si/forums/index.c...mes;read=173308

http://itscwrestling.com/si/forums/index.c...mes;read=173313

[Guest MikeSC]

Really simple question: would they have done this if the US and UK hadn't invaded their country to "liberate" them then gone around killing civilians and torturing people? What do you think?

Did it to Daniel Pearl.

 

Heck, had no problem killing over 3,000 on 9/11.

 

So, yeah, they likely would've done it.

It's deliberately ignorant opinions like this that mean this problem will never get sorted out.

No -- it's the assumption that we always deserve it that will cause the problems.

So now we were doing the right thing by invading Vietnam?

Actually, yes. The atrocities that went down when we left were mind-boggling.

The media coverage wasn't slanted in the slightest!

Hold on to that assumption, if you wish. It's completely false, but hold on to it if you wish.

We went and not only bombed villages full of innocent people, but its now been proved Kissinger authorised the bombing of countries that weren't even in the war! Where's our justification for that?

They offered safe haven to the Viet Cong. The friend of our enemy isn't our friend.

All this talk of "our enemy"...why were we there in the first place?

It's called switching the paradigm. For years, we've handled terrorism defensively. Well, as any chess player will tell you, a defensive game is nice and all --- but you won't win with it tooo often.

When we sold them the weapons, hell, when we divided the Middle East up in the first place (Iraq is a construct of the British in 1923) to use the divide and conquer tactics. Lest we all forget, Britain invented the concentration camp, carpet bombing of civilian targets, among other things.

Wow, it's amazing how little accurate knowledge of your history you have.

When the Iraqis gassed civilians in 1988, who was there protesting about it?

Nobody really protested the Holocaust. I guess it wasn't that bad.

I'm from the UK, and only 6 out of our 650 MPs signed a motion condemning it, 6 which doesn't include any of the current Cabinet who seem so morally opposed to Saddam's regime now. We were too busy selling them weapons to be worried about their attitude to Kurds then.

Actually, the French tended to be selling them the weapons --- if one wishes to be technical.

All I ask from people reading this thread who are justifiably angry that another innocent person has had to die is learn a little about it. Learn why Al-Qaeda exists, learn about the history of the region and the West's part in it. It doesn't justify the dreadful things that have gone on, but it does help to explain them. And maybe we can just leave well alone in future.

Or, just once, we can assume that we didn't DESERVE the attack of 9/11 and will work to make sure that it never happens again.

 

Using your logic, the U.S shouldn't have entered WW II after Pearl Harbor. Of course, if we didn't, your post would be in German right now and raging about how bad the Jews are, but still...

-=Mike

...BTW, chaos --- that was some impressive trolling you posted.

[Guest Anglesault]

I just went back and read his latest posts, and I'm just shocked. No way in hell could this guy be serious, I just don't buy it. He says one thing, people get pissed, then he seems to go out of his way to top his last rant of stuipidity to get a rise out of people once again.

 

I didn't think he was a troll a few pages back, but it's getting to the point where it's rather obvious.

That's not trolling. THIS is trolling.

 

http://itscwrestling.com/si/forums/index.c...mes;read=173285

http://itscwrestling.com/si/forums/index.c...mes;read=173308

http://itscwrestling.com/si/forums/index.c...mes;read=173313

Is that photo the real thing?

[Guest BDC]

Okay, who let unger back in?

[Downhome 0]

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[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Bye unger.

[Guest MikeSC]

Bye unger.

But he likes us, Kahran. He REALLY likes us.

-=Mike

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Eh.

 

Banning people for their opinions is pretty fucking retarded.

[Downhome 0]

Really simple question: would they have done this if the US and UK hadn't invaded their country to "liberate" them then gone around killing civilians and torturing people? What do you think?

*sigh*

 

Did this guy even read the various responses to him? We've already cited times where they HAVE done shit like this before over and over again.

[Guest Anglesault]

POP's actual writing was better than unger's. I'm not so sure it was him.

[Guest MikeSC]

Eh.

 

Banning people for their opinions is pretty fucking retarded.

PoP was trolling, though. It's a judgment call by the mods and Kahran figured it was hunger under a new name.

 

It's not like it never happened before.

-=Mike

[2GOLD 0]

Wow, I almost believe these theories that we did it now. Just like I believe flying chicken aliens stole my pop tarts this morning and replaced them with bagels.

 

I know people are paranoid and love a good conspiracy, but these are just stupid ones. Not to mention, the media hasn't shut up about the torture so if this was the plan it failed miserably.

And the American people are still basically bickering about stupid crap.

 

Protesting and different opinions are fine and dandy, but when you start talking stupid then your opinion no longer matters. Stuff like "we deserved 9/11" or "we are responsible for the death of this man since if we hadn't..." and crap like that. You don't believe in the war and our reasons for being there, that's good since a nation 100% behind something is just as dangerous. But is there any reason to act like a jackass about things?

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Regardless of whether there's precedent, Kahran seems to be banning just because he can.

[BX 0]

Wait, he banned because he "thought" the poster could be unger?

 

Are you shitting me?

 

There are ways to check this guys. Gimme some assurance, one tiny fucking morsal of proof that this other guy was Unger.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

Uh, that wasn't Unger, it was a guy from my board :|

 

You could at least do an ip check before banning people

[Guest Rob Edwards]

Eh.

 

Banning people for their opinions is pretty fucking retarded.

PoP was trolling, though. It's a judgment call by the mods and Kahran figured it was hunger under a new name.

 

It's not like it never happened before.

-=Mike

and since when was having a different opinion to someone else trolling? by that logic you should be long gone

[Guest Cerebus]

Regardless of whether there's precedent, Kahran seems to be banning just because he can.

Do I sense a Proletariat Revolt?

 

Seriously, I wouldn't even consider banning such people as NoCal, Tyler, BigJig, BX, Wildbomb even though I rarely agree with them. They usually make their arguments in reasonable/non-trolling fasion and keep themselves grounded in reality by backing themselves up with REAL sources and facts. People who spew out the kind of crap that PoP and Unger did is just pure idiocy with no sort of backup or reason, they're just ranting.

[chaosrage 0]

Wait, he banned because he "thought" the poster could be unger?

 

Are you shitting me?

 

There are ways to check this guys. Gimme some assurance, one tiny fucking morsal of proof that this other guy was Unger.

I'd like a tiny fucking morsal of proof that Unger was even a troll and deserved to be banned before that.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Uh, that wasn't Unger, it was a guy from my board :|

 

You could at least do an ip check before banning people

I did. I am only assuming he was unger, but he was definitely a PBP.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

Well it went wrong somewhere. Trust me, I know the guy, I don't know Unger, they're not one and the same

[Guest FrigidSoul]

Uh, that wasn't Unger, it was a guy from my board :|

 

You could at least do an ip check before banning people

I did. I am only assuming he was unger, but he was definitely a PBP.

Well it went wrong somewhere. Trust me, I know the guy, I don't know Unger, they're not one and the same

 

 

All I know is...that through this all...the truth is out there...somewhere

[muzz 0]

I just went back and read his latest posts, and I'm just shocked. No way in hell could this guy be serious, I just don't buy it. He says one thing, people get pissed, then he seems to go out of his way to top his last rant of stuipidity to get a rise out of people once again.

 

I didn't think he was a troll a few pages back, but it's getting to the point where it's rather obvious.

That's not trolling. THIS is trolling.

 

http://itscwrestling.com/si/forums/index.c...mes;read=173285

http://itscwrestling.com/si/forums/index.c...mes;read=173308

http://itscwrestling.com/si/forums/index.c...mes;read=173313

Is that photo the real thing?

Yes. Should maybe post a slight warning.

[Downhome 0]

I would have appriciated a warning also.