USA POW Beheaded

[reign 0]

Maybe not everybody over there is an enemy of the U.S....but according to my friends who are in Fallujah right now most of the Iraqis would rather side with the people who are trying to kill Americans...the people that the U.S. government as well as companies from outside the Middle East over there are constantly underminded by Iraqis who appear to be halping us but then take bribes to allow terrorists to bury the clusters of morter rounds that are killing soldiers and civilians each day...they are the stupidest people in the world I think...we remove a killer from power but hate us for doing so...if we left they'd hate us for leaving...it just seems like all they want to do is hate...if they don't have jews or american s to kill then they'll gladly kill each other which is what they've been doing for decades...I too wasn't born hating the Middle East but their actions have made me think differently...BTW my buddy told me about what they do detainees weeks before the pictures broke and it was very similair and he works nowhere near a prison...believe the left-wing hype...Iraq is fucked

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I don't think it will make everybody hate us. Sure, people will be disgusted and what not but I don't feel Afghanistan and Pakistan have any real strong allies. They basically live off of one another. We'd get that world wide feeling of disgust that Hiroshima caused, but if it wipes out 80% of terrorism I can live with a few countries frowning in our direction. I understand there are innocent people who would perish too, but at this point can you really see anyother way to deal with it? I for one can not. I would however be perfectly happy with just pulling completely out, financial aid and all. I don't feel we should be helping to feed them when they fire on us in return. Let them fend to themselves.

It's not the NATION that's doing that though.

 

And I think that if you were to eradicate the populations of two large nations then most countries would do a bit more than frown.

 

I can't say there's another solution because there isn't one yet. but nuking anyone is just completely the wrong answer.

 

If there was a way to help the people and not the terrorists it'd be nice but there isn't one. I'd agree that it would be better to just bail.

[Styles 0]

And I think that if you were to eradicate the populations of two large nations then most countries would do a bit more than frown.

What'd they gonna do about it?

[Guest JMA]

This man, Nicholas Berg, did nothing wrong; and those monsters murdered him. I haven't watched the video of his murder and I don't intend to. We all know what happened.

 

I really hope those responsible for this act die screaming. This isn't emotion speaking, it's what I truly believe.

 

R.I.P. Mr. Berg

[reign 0]

I don't know if any of you have seen but an Isreali soldier was murdered in the very same fashion as Nick Berg...don't know how long they had this footage though...and Isreal is demanding that they return the body...this shit is only going to get worse and I think the people here that are posting about dropping bombs know that we are up to our ears in this shit with no end in site

[Guest MikeSC]

I don't think it will make everybody hate us.

They probably already do --- but we can't easily make them hate us MORE, so it's not a concern.

but according to my friends who are in Fallujah right now most of the Iraqis would rather side with the people who are trying to kill Americans...the people that the U.S. government as well as companies from outside the Middle East over there are constantly underminded by Iraqis who appear to be halping us but then take bribes to allow terrorists to bury the clusters of morter rounds that are killing soldiers and civilians each day...they are the stupidest people in the world I think

Damned close --- which is why, unfortunately, we picked the wrong country to try this on. Iraq wasn't a theocracy --- but the people are too cowardly and stupid to do the right thing.

 

Iran would have been a much more noble mission.

I too wasn't born hating the Middle East but their actions have made me think differently...BTW my buddy told me about what they do detainees weeks before the pictures broke and it was very similair and he works nowhere near a prison...believe the left-wing hype...Iraq is fucked

And I'm sure your buddy can vouch that the prisoners hardly tend to be less than thugs waiting to kill any guard they can.

Sure, people will be disgusted and what not but I don't feel Afghanistan and Pakistan have any real strong allies. They basically live off of one another. We'd get that world wide feeling of disgust that Hiroshima caused, but if it wipes out 80% of terrorism I can live with a few countries frowning in our direction.

At this point, I completely agree. We wanted to build a democracy there --- but they have done NOTHING to show that they DESERVE one.

I understand there are innocent people who would perish too, but at this point can you really see anyother way to deal with it? I for one can not. I would however be perfectly happy with just pulling completely out, financial aid and all. I don't feel we should be helping to feed them when they fire on us in return. Let them fend to themselves

If the "innocents" won't help us --- then they're abetting the enemy and are HARDLY innocents.

It's not the NATION that's doing that though.

 

And I think that if you were to eradicate the populations of two large nations then most countries would do a bit more than frown.

 

I can't say there's another solution because there isn't one yet. but nuking anyone is just completely the wrong answer.

 

If there was a way to help the people and not the terrorists it'd be nice but there isn't one. I'd agree that it would be better to just bail.

Let the whole lot of them remain in the dark Ages and don't ever deal with them again, except to keep oil flowing and to protect Israel. If they do ANYTHING we find threatening, sweep in and blow the place up --- screw trying to rebuild a damned thing.

-=Mike

[Styles 0]

I don't know if any of you have seen but an Isreali soldier was murdered in the very same fashion as Nick Berg...don't know how long they had this footage though...and Isreal is demanding that they return the body...this shit is only going to get worse and I think the people here that are posting about dropping bombs know that we are up to our ears in this shit with no end in site

Well maybe they can work out another fair deal where Israel releases HUNDREDS of Palestinian detainees (most of whom go back to the terrorist training camps they came from to kill more Isralies), in exchange for the body...

[Guest MikeSC]

I don't know if any of you have seen but an Isreali soldier was murdered in the very same fashion as Nick Berg...don't know how long they had this footage though...and Isreal is demanding that they return the body...this shit is only going to get worse and I think the people here that are posting about dropping bombs know that we are up to our ears in this shit with no end in site

Actually, they simply chopped up bodies of dead Israelis and paraded them around --- unless this is a NEW atrocity against Israelis.

 

Expecting ANYBODY to feel bad for people who will do what they did to Berg is infuriating.

-=Mike

[Styles 0]

If they do ANYTHING we find threatening, sweep in and blow the place up --- screw trying to rebuild a damned thing.

Bingo. They want a legitimate reason to hate us, let's give it them...

[Guest MikeSC]

If they do ANYTHING we find threatening, sweep in and blow the place up --- screw trying to rebuild a damned thing.

Bingo. They want a legitimate reason to hate us, let's give it them...

If a people is barbaric enough to do what they did to Berg --- and the footage honestly sickened me --- then, well, I hope people can see why I call them sub-human monkeys.

-=Mike

[Downhome 0]

I still haven't been able to watch the video.

[Guest MikeSC]

I still haven't been able to watch the video.

Don't.

 

Seriously.

 

I can do a decent job of keeping things in perspective --- but this made me ill.

-=Mike

[Guest FrigidSoul]

I watched the video because it seriously takes alot to get me ill. It was a barbaric deed to say the least and I feel bad that the man had to go through with that and I feel bad for his family. Without going into sick details the man was bound and still 4 or 5 men(I watched the video once and deleted it, so in no way am I downloading it again to give accurate details) tackled the man to do the deed. It was ruthless, inhumane, and cowardly. If we aren't going to wipe their kind from the face of the planet with a quick and swift nuke then at least isolate them all. I'm talking major border police and no flights in or out of Afghanistan and Pakistan. If they want to kill one another then fine, but don't let them mix with the rest of the world.

[Guest MikeSC]

I watched the video because it seriously takes alot to get me ill. It was a barbaric deed to say the least and I feel bad that the man had to go through with that and I feel bad for his family. Without going into sick details the man was bound and still 4 or 5 men(I watched the video once and deleted it, so in no way am I downloading it again to give accurate details) tackled the man to do the deed. It was ruthless, inhumane, and cowardly. If we aren't going to wipe their kind from the face of the planet with a quick and swift nuke then at least isolate them all. I'm talking major border police and no flights in or out of Afghanistan and Pakistan. If they want to kill one another then fine, but don't let them mix with the rest of the world.

I say if CBS wants to continue showing prison abuse stuff on 60 Minutes, they'd best show this footage too.

 

Just to give a little perspective.

-=Mike

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

it's far more "sub-human" to exterminate a people.

[Downhome 0]

I still haven't been able to watch the video.

Don't.

 

Seriously.

 

I can do a decent job of keeping things in perspective --- but this made me ill.

-=Mike

I've decided not to. I do not feel that I need to see it to become any more angry than what I already am. I watched the first part of it, got to the part where they tackled him down, and I couldn't watch anymore.

 

I can not stress enough how strongly I feel that each and every one of them should be destroyed. I don't care what needs to be done, but these sort of people need to be exterminated from the face of the Earth.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

it's far more "sub-human" to exterminate a people.

I agree. Believe me, in no way am I suffering from blood lust. I just can't see a way to end it at this very moment without doing so. Although the isolation idea I just came up with is something I'm warming up to. Basically a "Fine, wanna bite the hand that feeds you? Alright then, goodbye". Leave them to kill one another if that's what they wish. Massive trade embargos. Nothing going in or out of those countries and some form of border patrol that in the long run ends up like zoo keepers. If they wish to act like animals then cage them up.

[Styles 0]

it's far more "sub-human" to exterminate a people.

I don't believe killing murderers before they murder others is inhumane, it's just.

[Guest MikeSC]

it's far more "sub-human" to exterminate a people.

You confuse justice with inhumanity.

 

So be it.

-=Mike

[Tully316 0]

I thought I had a strong stomach...I've seen dead bodies at crime scenes...grisly evidence photos at work, but I am unsettled to say the least.

 

What's even more disturbing is how many will use this as a point in their argument for or against the war. To be honest, i don't really give two shits why we went over there..the fact is Hussein was no different then Adolph Hitler, and gone unchecked, history would have repeated itself.

 

My kid brother is over there serving in Bahgdad, I pray everyday that something like this will never happen to him.

 

So the next time someone wants to argue about WMD, Halliburton, and whatever buzz-topic of the week teh media focuses on, play this video and remind yourself that this has been going on for years before we went into Iraq and it will continue until we rid them of the earth. We need to end this war by winning it, not giving in to public pressure because Michael Moore can sit his fat ass in a free country and criticize something that has no godamned personal effect on him.

[Styles 0]

I love how Dr. Tom is just chilling in this topic, waiting for things to get out of hand...

[Guest MikeSC]

I love how Dr. Tom is just chilling in this topic, waiting for things to get out of hand...

Dat's our boy.

-=Mike

[2GOLD 0]

I'm not watching the footage and I'm not calling for the extermination of these people. But we are past the point of no return now, the gates of hell are literally wide open here.

 

I don't see what we can do now. We can't pull out now, else they will have the ultimate tool to get us. We can't just bomb them cause we'll get some innocents and they are there.

 

Really, it's a dark corner the world has been placed in. And ANYONE who uses THIS as a political agenda should be placed in a public square and flogged. To say "this is proof why we shouldn't be in Iraq in the first place" is sick and anyone saying that should be ashamed.

 

I know we all want to unleash the full power of our military and just unload on them. But we can't do that. We can't. And yet, we can't pull out now.

 

I don't see how the military has a choice though. A major target must be struck and struck very very hard.

[Styles 0]

We can't just bomb them cause we'll get some innocents and they are there.

Japan set a pretty good precedent.

 

A major target must be struck and struck very very hard.

Mecca would send a nice message...

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

it's far more "sub-human" to exterminate a people.

I don't believe killing murderers before they murder others is inhumane, it's just.

Not everyone living in the Middle East are murderers nor while they be so.

[Dr. Tom 0]

It's gotten out of hand, Slapnuts. Not in this thread, but in Iraq.

 

I watched the video. I thought about it for a while, and decided that I should. I have a strong stomach, so it didn't make me physically ill. It made me very, very angry that there are pieces of subhuman shit who do things like this. Capturing innocent people who are only there to improve your ass-backwards shithole country and then killing them is barbaric and stupid.

 

For a long time, I believed in the Iraq invasion, and in our purpose there afterwards. Spreading democracy to a part of the world that sorely needed it was a great idea. Somewhere along the way, that idea turned into the mess we're now faced with. I'm almost ready to side with Mike and say fuck Iraq and fuck the Iraqis: they don't deserve our blood or our democracy, as they've gone to great lengths to show.

 

Almost.

 

I think there's still something we can do. Something to get rid of the terrorists and leave us with the decent, honest Iraqis who want freedom, who want to forget about the decades of torture and abuse under the Hussein regime.

 

Step 1: Take all captured Iraqi and other terrorists and toss them into a big ditch.

Step 2. Pour in generous quantities of Napalm.

Step 3: Repeat steps 1 and 2 as often as necessary.

 

If you point a gun, a knife -- hell, if you point a fucking TWIG at an American soldier or civilian-- then you're a terrorist and you're getting thrown in a ditch. Fuck you, Habib, here comes the Napalm. Say hi to Allah after you're finished being disintegrated. Next, round up all the pieces of shit who have accepted even one goddamn penny from the terrorists to plant mines, or do anything that's even had the chance to bring harm to an American, and throw them in a ditch, too. Add Napalm. Fuck 'em. You're either with us or against us. If you're with us, then you'll have a democratic system of government and finally be free of despots. If you're against us, then you get tossed in a ditch and burned alive. Those are your choices.

 

If we do that, we'll be left with the kind of people we went over there to free in the first place.

 

And if the rest of the world bristles at it, fuck them, too.

[Styles 0]

It's so simple, yet so complicated.

It's the perfect solution really. I was thinking of somehow getting all the "good" Iraqis to evacuate certain terrorist hotbeds and then just carpet bombing the place, but this is more full proof.

While they deserve the firey ditches, it won't happen, but I don't see any problem with shooting enemy combantants point blank. This is a fucking war. You threaten a soldier, the soldier will shoot you. Period. That's it. If you are found to be plotting against our troops, we will shoot you. Why are we taking prisoners anyway?

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I agree with punishing the terrorists completely.

 

Canadians were killed on 9/11 too. We want justice also.

[Styles 0]

I agree with punishing the terrorists completely.

 

Canadians were killed on 9/11 too. We want justice also.

Well then stop second guessing us because it makes you feel special and join in! We'd love all the help we can get. CWM, of course I don't want innocents killed, but unfortunately that is a casualty of war. But Dr. Tom's idea (or a variant of it) is more what I support. Stop treating the terrorists like diplomats. I have no problem with killing everyone on contact. How do you know who's innocent and who's not? Simple! If you threaten to attack a soldier, you are a terrorist and will be killed. If you go about your daily business without plotting to kill American troops, you're safe!

[Styles 0]

It's like...arg, as much as everyone wants to demonize him as American Hitler, Bush is TOO SOFT. I want a true warhorse with iceblood. Bush is way too compromising. Kerry is practically a marshmallow. Which is why I can't vote for Kerry even if Bush isn't handling things properly. We need a military officer as President...