Diddy Breaks Up Da Band In Series Finale

[EdwardKnoxII 0]

Diddy Breaks Up Da Band In Series Finale

 

Wait, Was This Before or After Frasier Got on that Plane?

 

The roller coaster ride of Bad Boy's Da Band finally came to an end with the series finale of MTV's Making the Band 2.

 

While using words like "embarrassment" to describe Da Band's remaining members, P. Diddy informed the crew that there would be no follow-up to their moderately successful 2003 debut LP Too Hot for TV.

 

P. Diddy had this to say on the ill-fated Band union:

 

"Initially my goal with Da Band was to make sure the world saw realistically how serious Hip-Hop was. So at times it was kind of embarrassing to me the way they were portraying themselves, not taking it as serious as most artists take this art form."

 

The MTV show received a ton of controversy from the outraged activists who thought the constant profanity and Diddy's humiliating "cheesecake challenges" were inappropriate for the show's young target audience.

 

Despite the criticism, Making the Band consistently pulled in high ratings and was one of MTV's most successful reality ventures ever.

 

There are rumors that the Bad Boy label may retain the services of some of the individual Band members, though there is no word on any solo efforts in the works at this time.

 

[source: AllHipHop.com]

[ant_7000 0]

He kept Ness and Babs, and cut the rest btw. I feel bad for Sara but Chopper, Dylan, and Fred were some ungreatful dudes.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I would have only kept Ness because he seemed like the only one who was worth a shit.

[ant_7000 0]

Sad/funny part is that they all are still contractually bound to Diddy, even if any of them become successful (I doubt it) their money will be going into Puff's pocket. Dylan better be careful about what he says about Diddy or he'll get blackballed.

[Guest NaturalBornThriller4:20]

I thought it was only a joke.

 

It seemed that they took the news way too good. I wonder if it was edited to be that way.

 

I'm glad they kept Ness and Babs, though. If it was me, I would've kept Chopper. Who knows, maybe Cash Money will scoop him up.

 

Sara - Somebody will scoop her up, eventually. She's not a bad singer, nor does she have a bad personality.

 

Dylan -

 

Fred - He got what he wanted. He didn't want to be with the Da Band, he didn't want the fame. He talked about not being able to spend time with his kid, well that's how it is in the music business.

[Placebo Effect 0]

He's closing down the studio...

[razazteca 0]

Reality tv music acts don't last long do they? O-Town, Justin "the white fro guy" of American Idol lost his contract, and now Da Band. So the experation date for tv contest winners is what 2 years?

[Guest Choken One]

speaking of which...Where has that Kelly Clarkson chick gone?

 

She had a pair of hits last summer and then vanished.

 

How has the runner up for AI2 sold more then the winner...kind of defeats the purpose.

[Guest NaturalBornThriller4:20]

They each had a different fanbase.

 

EDIT: And if i'm correct, that Clarkson was last on tour with the runner up for AI2, and is working on a new album.

[Mole 0]

Despite the criticism, Making the Band consistently pulled in high ratings and was one of MTV's most successful reality ventures ever.

Hmm, this is news to me. Real World(s), Newlyweds, Viva La Bam, and Punk'D(if you count that as a reality show, but some might not) all did better than Making the Band.

 

And I am glad he broke them up. All they did was BITCH AND BITCH about the dumbest things. For goodness sake, you got a break by winning a reality TV show and might have a chance to make tons of money. But all they did was bitch.

 

And they sucked, that too.

[Guest Coffey]

Sara's problems all came from her good for nothing husband. At least that's how it played out on TV.

 

I thought she had the most talent though. Actually, I thought she was the only one with any talent....

[Perfxion 0]

Not every artist is like Jay-Z or Prince and drop a new CD every 9 months like a knocked up whore.

 

As for the show:

The first CD wasn't bad, I heard it and it does have 5 good tracks on it, selling over gold for a first CD is great. Joe Budden is supposed to be the future of rap and only sold 300K. The problems were shown on the show. They just didn't expect what will come with the fame. It was sad and funny at the same time.

 

Da Band members go as follows:

Ness - Will have a major career overtime, he has talent and drive.

 

Babs - Teamed with Ness, she will shine. By herself, her career will match Mc

Lyte. And if you don't know who that is, that further proves my point.

 

Sara - In a few years, will have a career, still on Bad Boy, just when she is focused and ready for it.

 

Chopper - Will get picked up by No Limit or Cash Money and will have an ok career.

 

Fred - His career is OVER!

 

Dylon - If he doesn't go to jail, he could suprise everyone with a career but at the same time could have his career over as of last night.

 

As for others talked about in this thread:

 

O-Town split over many issues, one being management(EVERYONE wants to leave Lou Perlman). Kelly Clarkson is working on a new CD. Justin would have sold if his CD didn't come out almost a year after he was a hot seller. Clay out sold Ruban for the fact his was out first and his target group is almost grown up pop music.

[Mole 0]

The first CD wasn't bad, I heard it and it does have 5 good tracks on it, selling over gold for a first CD is great. Joe Budden is supposed to be the future of rap and only sold 300K.

Not when the CD is based on a reality show on MTV.

 

 

O'Town's O'Town sold over 1 million copies.

Kelly's Thankful sold over 2 million copies.

Ruben's Soulful sold over 1 million copies.

Clay's Measure of a Man sold over 2 million copies.

 

Da Band album sales couldn't even top O'Town and Da Band had that thing called talent. Granted, O'Town's album came out when Boy Bands were big, but they still sold more than DB.

 

Besides, selling 500K albums for a new artist isn't that great.

 

Britney Spear's Baby One More Time sold over 13 million copies.

Eminem's The Slim Shady LP sold over 4 million copies. (Yes I know it wasn't his first album but it was his first non-indy record.)

Norah Jone's Come Away With Me sold over 8 million copies.

Avril Lavigne's Let Go sold over 6 million copies.

Aaliyah's Age Ain't Nothing But A Number sold over 1 million copies.

 

I could keep going, but selling 500K albums for a new artist isn't that great. Don't get me wrong it isn't bad, but it isn't great. Hell, it wasn't good enough for P. Diddy to keep them on his record label.

 

Biggie's Ready to Die sold over 4 million copies.

Mase's Harlem World sold over 4 million copies.

112's 112 sold over over 2 million copies.

 

Compared to other Bad Boy artists first realese, DB didn't do as well as them. I can only remember those three artists off the top of my head (I couldn't find Black Rob's numbers), so there might be others that sold less than DB.

[Perfxion 0]

Compare RAP to RAP since Pop sells will generally top any other kind of sells.

 

Eminem is white, he sold half on that the other half on Dre. He said he himself.

 

Biggie was called the future of Rap and was giving the Jesus push by Puffy. Puff wasn't dumb with this one, and it came out to be a hot CD so its 4 million sold is worth it(really 2 and another 2 after he was killed). His second CD was great and sold well(mainly because he was killed two weeks before it was to drop).

 

Mase was Puffy's next golden boy. He also had a great CD with alot of hype going into it.

 

112 is an RnB group, their firist CD was good but they didn't get the full hype the album could do.

 

Da Band had two singles relased with limited air play in Puffy's home market. That isn't going to help sells. Plus it wasn't a crossover album. Rap albums that crossover sell like crazy(Jay Z, Nelly, ect ect). When it is a strickly a minoritiy ubran market getting sells, it won't have the X millions you expect.

 

Look at Lil Jon's CD, it didn't really sell until his crossover hit.

 

As for using Britney( one of the biggest selling females of all time), Avril(who had a whole year of crap and gaa-gaa over her), Norah Jones(who gets blown as one of the greatest out now), and Eminem (who is the rap version of Elvis) it doesn't help your point well, try with other acts first.

[Kardo 0]

speaking of which...Where has that Kelly Clarkson chick gone?

 

She had a pair of hits last summer and then vanished.

 

How has the runner up for AI2 sold more then the winner...kind of defeats the purpose.

Clarkson is still very popular here in Australia and in the UK.

[Mole 0]

MX, selling 500K isn't that great for a new artitst.

 

Compare RAP to RAP since Pop sells will generally top any other kind of sells.

What was one of the biggest selling artists of 2003? Outkast and they are rap.

 

Nas' Illmatic sold over 1 million copies.

Lil Kim's Hardcore sold over 2 million copies.

 

Da Band had two singles relased with limited air play in Puffy's home market. That isn't going to help sells. Plus it wasn't a crossover album. Rap albums that crossover sell like crazy(Jay Z, Nelly, ect ect). When it is a strickly a minoritiy ubran market getting sells, it won't have the X millions you expect.

So MTV is in Puffy's home market? DB was had their OWN TV show which was broadcasted NATIONALLY; how much bigger of a market can you get?

 

112 is an RnB group, their firist CD was good but they didn't get the full hype the album could do.

R&B fits under the hip-hop category, if I am not mistaken. DB is hip-hop also so they fit under the same category.

 

So, show me some numbers to back up your argument.

[Mik 0]

Mole, man, just give up.

 

You can't bring up Outkast when he was talking about crossover hits and Da Band not having any. Who the hell do you think buys all of Outkasts CDs? I have the whitest of white friends who only listen to rock, and they all say the same shit. "I don't like rap, but I loooove Outkast." They are the ultimate crossover rap act. Little girls, white boys, and everyone else buys their record. And good for them.

 

As for the numbers you are pulling out, you're only picking the most successful people. 500,000 for an opening record is a shitload and certainly won't get a normal act released from their label. In fact, it would get the record company to hype their second album beyond belief knowing that they have a fanbase. Not everyone sells a million their first time out.

[Golgo 13 0]

Outkast is rap, but Speakerboxxx/Love Below was definitely not a pure rap album, and its sales were fueled by a huge crossover hit (Hey Ya) which wasn't rap either.

 

R&B isn't really under the umbrella of hip-hop, by the way. Especially considering R&B existed YEARS before rap and hip-hop. Rather, it's the other way around. I think from the original uptempo R&B that bore rock and roll, came the motown sound that we came to associate with R&B. At the same time funk came into being and was like a brother, and only a few years later came hip-hop out of both. Rather, it was similar cultures that fostered blues and hip-hop. I'm probably wrong on some of this, but fuck it, it's early.

 

With the new breed of R&B, with divas or singers joining up with rappers or hip-hop beats coming into their songs, the lines are blurred and you could say this new style fits under hip-hop. But hell, I wouldn't even venture to call this either R&B or hip-hop, since it's much closer to mainstream pop at this point.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

The fights(s) between Ness and Fred were SO the best moments of the show. Ness choking Fred out with the front guillotine was fucking marvelous.

[razazteca 0]

With the new breed of R&B, with divas or singers joining up with rappers or hip-hop beats coming into their songs, the lines are blurred and you could say this new style fits under hip-hop. But hell, I wouldn't even venture to call this either R&B or hip-hop, since it's much closer to mainstream pop at this point.

You likey the Kanye West?

[Golgo 13 0]

What little I've heard I've enjoyed, but it hasn't made me want to rush out and get his album. I'd probably like him a lot if I bothered to listen to more songs though.

 

Anyway, to clarify... I don't know where I was going with that last bit...

 

Shitty Ja Rule/Ashanti type duets -- not anywhere near hip-hop, it's not even in the same area code.

 

A guest rapper where he actually raps, sure.

 

Finally, there's if you just have some slickly produced beat vaguely reminiscent of hip-hop, but you don't actually rap. With people like Britney or Timberlake edging ever closer to that grey area, I'd venture to still call it pop. It really toes the line between falling under hip-hop or R&B and pop regardless.

 

I still don't know where I'm really going with any of that, so I'll just stop now.

[Mole 0]

Bah, I still don't think 500K is enough records sold.

[Perfxion 0]

Outkast is the second biggest selling act of last year, behind 50 Cent. BOTH are crossover artist. Eminem is the king of crossover rap, and 50 Cent hanging around him aided in his sells.

 

Outkast sold on the song "Hey Ya". That is the song to sell so much, white people love Andre, they don't really give a shit about Big Boi. This is the reason Vh1 kept playing "Hey Ya" over "The Way You Move".

 

As for not strong first albums, Jay Z doubled his sells of his first CD reasonable doubt AFTER his second CD was out. Nobody wasn't bumbing him until he dropped "Who You Wit" and Nas didn't sell a million until his THIRD CD dropped, he rerelased the album to get its sells like that.

 

LL Cool J and Run DMC both are MAJOR rap acts didn't sell a million on either of their first two CDs.

 

Now on the Rap/Hip Hop/RnB thing:

 

RnB is one of the older styles of music out there, older than rock and roll. Umtempo blues with a edgier jazz sound was played in black clubs in the 40s and 50s. Soon white people started to really like the sound and do it as well. When TV came out, they dubbed it Rock and Roll. But it was Country Rock(Elvis and the like) and RnB Rock(Chuck Berry and Early Motown). The RnB we know it started in the 60s from two styles, Motown Pop and Deep Soul. Soul music is now the style of ALL current ballads and Mary J's tracks. Motown like Pop is currently like Beyounce. Anyways: These two styles of RnB also had a third style called Funk music spring in the 70s of rock music with soul style. The mixture of Funk music with Urban culture lead to the music genre of Rap. Rap music today is one of the biggest(if not , the biggest) selling genres out there.

 

Hip Hop isn't really a genre it is a urban culture. The whole style of dress, slang, tagging, music, and cars are all elements of Hip Hop. ALOT of people (MAINLY MTV and BET) use Hip Hop and Rap interchangeably. But they aren't the same. Rap music is part of Hip Hop. Modern Urban RnB music is part of it. But the two are different beast. Jagged Edge and 112 are RnB groups that are heavily into the Hip Hop Style(growing up in it) but are not rap groups.

 

Next problem people have these days: Selling Gold is great for a new artist. Selling that many is a real good thing. People these days are ready to scream an ablum failed if it doesn't get diamond. Jacko's last CD "only" sold 2.5 million, which most artist cream for. Mariah last CD two sold a few million a piece(Rainbow 3 million and Glitter2.2 million) but these three CDs are consider bombs. No other CD is going to be selling 58 million any time soon(only done once with Jacko's Thriller). Da Band sold 800K which is quite good.

[razazteca 0]

I would like to call the Rap/R&B crap (Ja Rule and Nas's bitch Miss Milkshake) mass produced Ghetto Pop.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

1. "Da Band" is like the worst name ever.

 

2. They weren't just "new artists"; THEY HAD THEIR OWN TV SHOW TO PROMOTE THEIR ALBUM!!!!!!! With that in mind, anything under 1 mil. should be considered a disappointment. Like Mole said _O-town_ outsold them. "Rap" is a more popular sound now then Boy Bands were back in 01, (or at least "hotter", as that style of pop was fading fast in 2001) so you can't really say "Da Band" was at the disadvantage. Fact is, they didn't click with the market.

[Perfxion 0]

11 to 16 year old girls buy more CDs than ANY other group out there. Hence the sells of Backstreet, Nsync, Britney, Christina, and O-Town.

 

Da Band is a rather stupid name.

 

National TV does not equal buys(look at Judgement Day for an example). People who watch the show might not go out and buy something. If they had a third Video(the Wyclef track) they would have broke a million. Not many sells for new artist comes off of Two singles. Some people generally go by the three song rule. Still 800K is a hell of a lot of sells.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Wait...

 

You complained about Mole making a comparison between pop and rap, yet you just made one comparing music and wrestling??? Before you even reply, the WWE has 12 PPV's a year not-to-mention they give a very similar product for free on TV. But then, if you insist on using this comparison, compare Judgement Day's PPV numbers to TNA's.

 

Fact is, constant national television exposure especially in this mode does many things:

 

1. Familiarizes the audience with the performers. A bond can be created; matching the face, the name, and the sound is very important.

 

2. Promotes the album - "This is what you've all been waiting for - this is what they've worked so hard for - check it out"

 

3. It can develop an emotional connection to the album or the song in seeing how it was created.

 

Meanwhile, any other "debuting artist" "off tv" wouldn't have this advantage. Yet CHINGY was able to out sell them. WTF?!

 

And WOW, those 11-16 year old girls really must love their fiddy and their m... c'mon, "da band" simply couldn't capitalize on the (abundant) resources they had to produce good enough sales. They were a "new artist" but they had WAY more opportunities that "new artists" get.

[Mole 0]

Da Band had two singles relased with limited air play in Puffy's home market.

You said this yesterday and it had me thinking. So P. Diddy only released the two singles in the New York area, limited at that? That doesn't make any sense.

 

When someone releases a single, it gets played if the song is good or not. Why would Diddy release the single and say "Wait, only play this song in the New York area and don't play it a lot."? That is because he didn't since that is bad business and Diddy isn't a bad businessman.

 

Outkast is the second biggest selling act of last year, behind 50 Cent. BOTH are crossover artist. Eminem is the king of crossover rap, and 50 Cent hanging around him aided in his sells.

A crossover hit occurs when the people like the song, so it's played on different radio stations (ie CHR and Rap). Da Band's single obviously wasn't popular, so they weren't crossover hits.

 

Do you think Diddy said "No no, I don't want this to be a crossover song. I only want it to be on rap/hip-hop stations only."? No because that is BAD business. Besides, they had a show on MTV. How more crossover can you get? Bad Boy had PLENTY of crossover hits, so why would this be any different? Because they weren't good enough.

 

Next problem people have these days: Selling Gold is great for a new artist. Selling that many is a real good thing. People these days are ready to scream an ablum failed if it doesn't get diamond. Jacko's last CD "only" sold 2.5 million, which most artist cream for. Mariah last CD two sold a few million a piece(Rainbow 3 million and Glitter2.2 million) but these three CDs are consider bombs. No other CD is going to be selling 58 million any time soon(only done once with Jacko's Thriller). Da Band sold 800K which is quite good.

You made my point. In this day and age, if an artist doesn't sell atleast go platinum, they didn't do a good job.

 

I don't think you understood when I said selling 500K isn't very good. Selling that many albums is good because it is hard to sell that many copies. However, it isn't great when you have a NATIONAL TV show behind you and you are being pushed by a very sucsessful hip-hop producer.

 

National TV does not equal buys(look at Judgement Day for an example)

Oh really? Hmmm, how about all of those artists that were on National TV and did well?

 

O'Town's O'Town sold over 1 million copies.

Kelly's Thankful sold over 2 million copies.

Ruben's Soulful sold over 1 million copies.

Clay's Measure of a Man sold over 2 million copies.

 

All of them had a TV show and did well. Yes, you are going to ask about the other guy from American Idol, Justin. Why didn't he do well? His album sucked, so no one bought it.

 

And where did you find that Da Band sold 800K? I thought it was 500K? I looked all over the place and I can't find a site for them.

[Dangerous A 0]

Some things about Making the Band

 

RRR is right in that Da Band is the worse name for a hip hop group, ever. Just dumb. When they announced that and ran with it, they were already off on the wrong foot.

 

Even with the TV show promoting them, they still have to do positive things to help sell themselves and they did none of that. No one wants to buy an album from a bunch of lazy primadonnas who think they are tight and haven't done jack shit.

 

As far as where I think they'll all end up...

 

Ness- I think he is overrated as a rapper. His flow is not hot, IMO. He did have the best work ethic of the group and I think he'll be a good producer someday. He just won't be a standout rapper.

 

Babs- She's annoying and ugly. Her flow is ok, but I wouldn't put a nickel down for any of her raps. She is way to ghetto. I mean, she is ghe-fucking-tto. And that gets annoying. Someone also needs to hook her up with a spot on "The Swan" because she is the ugliest female MC in hip hop, period.

 

Sara- she'll go nowhere as long as she has that nosy ass, all in your business husband still there. The way he reacted when Babs confronted him about leaving the studio for a meeting with just Band members showed me he has no business managing his wife. Sara is also a big baby and hypocrite.

 

Dylan- He will go nowhere because he is an untalented fuck who is lazy.

 

Chopper- If he can get picked up by either No Limit or Cash Money labels, he might end up ok. He had more charisma in his pinky finger than the rest of the group had in their entire bodies. While I hate New Orleans style rap, he isn't bad in that genre of hip hop and has prescence. He just needs to grow the fuck up.

 

Fred- He needs to be taken out back and have two put in the back of his head for being a grown ass man who sucked his thumb habitually, ON CAMERA!! Fred's flow sucks ass and the things he did (or didn't) do with keeping his appearance in general made him the member of the group I liked the least.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Hey man, don't dis Babs too much. Sure she might look like she's 40 from all the cigarettes that she smokes, but she can look HALF-WAY DECENT when they make her up and she takes off some of the flashy clothes that she likes to wear.