Civilized human being talk (because Dr Tom asked)

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Original Popick quote:

 

Dames, Goodhelmet and I didn't create TSM to have the thesmarks.com moderating fiasco(read: SK and mod Nazi's) happen all over again.

 

CWM quote:

 

Dames, Goodhelmet and I didn't create TSM...

 

Oh yeah, I totally twisted your words there Popick.

[Guest goodhelmet]

Goodhelmet-When we had live chat meetings, it was the three of us who went through alot of it together, getting on new staff etc. AreaCode and Mike did awesome work on the site, but we did something too.

 

This had nothing to do with the board. There is a reason you never became a mod. It wasn't because we had enough mods and everything was A-OK. It was because Dames and I didn't trust your ego or like the way you carried yourself. I still cringe when I asked you what your part in all of the changes was...

 

Poppick: Just look as me as the ... OVERSEER... The man in charge!

 

So how long were you in charge?

 

I already outlined what we did. You gave Dames cash, Dames bought the domain name, and I proofread articles and helped with the writers. Sometimes we appeased you and your vanity but if you didn't tow the Dames-and-Will line, we ignored you and did our own thing because our vision of the site was not your vision. In the end, my vision wasn't Dames' vision either but we were both in agreement... your input would be minimal.

 

 

You shouldn't discount yourself there either.

 

I don't discount myself. I just don't have any grand delusional ideal about what I did or what I contributed. Unless mentioned specifically by someone, I don't need to remind people what I did for the site or whatever. The writers know what I did. I know what I did. Dames knows what I did. That's good enough for me.

 

You could've expressed yourself without attacking me.

 

You could call it attacking you but I disagree. I consider it setting the record straight. You implicated me in your misconception about what we really did. I brutally told you how wrong you were. Maybe you were offended by the mangy cat analogy but I thought it was the best explanation for the situation. Maybe Tom, who the reference is about, will disagree.

 

In the meantime, do me a favor, and in the immortal words of Dr. Dre...

 

Just keep my name outta your mouth and we can keep it the same

[MrRant 0]

This thread is amusing.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I'm late to this dramabomb, but I too would like to vote my displeasure in the amount of hand-holding that NikJohns has been submitting to the WWE folder as of late.

 

Yes, we've needed more moderation in there. Yes, certain crap needs to be cut out. Much like how every thread would result it in "OMG HHH IS HOLDING DOWN _________" two years ago, rallying cries like the "Suckbag" rants had been polluting up the WWE folder this year. If someone were to simply take care of threads falling apart into the same given one-liners that always appear around the same wrestler/match/whatever (isn't that what NHB was originally started for?), I got no problem.

 

Although Nik is a nice guy and I'm sure he means well enough, he's being way too heavy-handed with the moderation. It's not even that people are breaking rules, it's when people aren't even breaking rules. When you're messaging users and telling them to "lurk more, post less." Jeeze louise.

 

 

Look, Nik. If you want a forum where every single post is a well thought-out arguement, there's no occasional AOL-quality (i.e. "low") posts without closed threads, anyone who types "there" when they meant to type "their" is flamed, and the signal to noise ratio is enforced at the high setting with an iron fist, then :gb2SAS: and enjoy putting sirens around JOHNNY NITRO!! until the end of time.

 

In the meantime, this is not that forum. It's a vastly different personality. Get over it.

[MrRant 0]

JOTW seems to be a tad bitchy this AM.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I'm not bitchy, I believe I know Nik from another board my fair-weather-friend posts on (although said friend wasn't much of a friend after he exploited my TSM account when I left the password saved on his machine D:,) and I know he's trying to copy it's moderation style. Which works fine over there, since they have a very low tolerance for average internet posters (I'd say the place is packed with people who are pissed at how stupid the average internet user has become.)

 

That's fine for them, this is probably one of those "typical" internet boards those people try to stay away from. Although you might see it as flaming, it's advice with a small dash of sarcasm. Since he posts over at that other board, I know he has the sense of humor to handle it.

 

 

Oh, and while we're at it.... INTERNET.

[chaosrage 0]

What board is that?

[Jobber of the Week 0]

forums.nunya.biz

[alfdogg 0]

You wanted an intelligent well-thought response, so here you go:

 

Note: These two threads are key to what I will be saying here

 

I went to bed last night before DrTom closed the second thread, hence I awoke this morning to see his response said thread, and more specifically, his response towards me

 

Anglesault and Angelslayer: Nik has been having problems with both of you of late, and has had to warn both of you at least once recently. The next time he has a problem with either of you will be the last time you present a problem to anyone on this board. Nik, let me know the next time they act up toward you.

 

Being a subscriber to the axiom of not taking things seriously on a message board, this actually floored me… well, not so much the part about Anglesault, since I don’t care about him.

 

Let me break this down sentence by sentence

 

Nik has been having problems with both of you of late, and has had to warn both of you at least once recently.

Just for the record, here is the PM that resulted in the now somewhat infamous “fuck you” response:

 

Your post [third post down]  in this thread is trolling.  Don't do it - it is bannable.

 

When I first received this, and seeing who it was from (namely “Who the FUCK is this?” was my first thought), I couldn’t help but laugh. This guy, who had only been on the board for a week and somehow had the fortune to ascend to mod-hood, was calling a standard post of mine “trolling” and telling me I could be banned for it. Still laughing, I responded in total defiance with the two word response, because I still couldn’t take it seriously. An hour later I found myself embroiled in a more civilized discussion with Sass about it. I admitted to Sass that I was hoping for a second PM from him where I would send a more intelligent (but still scathing in my own personal fashion) response for how stupid I felt Nik was. This PM never came, though.

 

Was it wrong, in retrospect? Probably

 

Will I apologize? No, especially not now, in the wake of this.

 

The next time he has a problem with either of you will be the last time you present a problem to anyone on this board.

 

I didn’t realize I was such a cancer upon the ass of TSM.

 

Let me restate for emphasis: I have had minimal problems with most all the moderators on this board before Nik got promoted. Even you, Tom, telling me point-blank about my potential banning, I still have no problem with you. Nik, on the other hand, is too uptight to be the job that he is doing, as documented not just by myself but by other people in the two threads documented above. The primary mod squad, however, rather than perhaps re-evaluating whether they made the right decision in who to promote, instead let him continue to act in a manner that, IMO, is not benefiting the WWE folder any better than the position the folder was in before his ascension. I keep seeing a couple mods say “But he’s attempting to improve himself,” yet I have seen no such change.

 

Re: Thread closings. I don’t really care so much about the multiple thread closings in cases like where they are duped threads, though perhaps merging rather than shutting down might be a better idea. On the other side, I don’t relish the thought of a fun off-topic thread (á la certain threads residing in the Classics folder now) being shut-down at its peak solely because it is off-topic.

 

What I do take issue with is if any little typical sarcastic remark I may toss about in the WWE folder could now, in the wake of Tom’s statement, constitute my banning from this board (Something I don’t want to see ). I can just see the following happen the next couple days

 

WWE thread #1

Me: *typical sarcastic remark #1*

Nik: YOU’RE BANNED!

 

WWE thread #2

Me: *typical sarcastic remark #2*

Nik: YOU ARE SO BANNED!

 

WWE thread #3

Me: *typical sarcastic remark #3*

Nik: YOU’RE GONNA GET BANNED SO HARD, YOU’RE GONNA WISH YOU HADN’T BEEN BANNED SO HARD!

 

And so on until I get my name in red letters with the “Unregistered” tag underneath (again, don’t want to see that)

 

 

Conclusion: It is of my opinion that Nik is an unfit moderator for the reasons I have stated before and that one of two things should happen

 

1) Nik loosens up

2) Nik is removed as mod

 

Thank you

Fuck you

[Guest Dazed]

When you're messaging users and telling them to "lurk more, post less." Jeeze louise.

I'd like to clarify this, as I feel it has been taken completely out of context.

 

First, it isn't "users" in the plural, it was one user: -iB-. And it wasn't intended as an "omg never post again", it was intended as "you must have noticed you're pissing a lot of people off, and I don't think you quite 'get' the forums. Read more, and you'll understand better."

 

 

As for the "signal to noise" ratio, I don't think it should be 1:0, but it should be a lot higher than the 1:5309325 that it is at the moment. I am taking yours (and other's) comments on board, though, so don't worry on that front.

 

 

INTERNET

[Slayer 0]

Fuck you

Fuck you

[Guest Loss]

Do you not think "lurk more, post less" is good advice in some cases?

[Guest FrigidSoul]

After recently trying to go about starting good discussion in the WWE forum and having my post editted by nik I can safely say I'll never post in that forum again. Granted the post in question had a link to where you can download a wrestling match, but at the same time there's a thread elsewhere on the board to hundreds of different sites where you can download wrestling matches from(not counting the Bit Torrent sites too). Lord knows if Vince McMahon ever went "Ho-diddly-dee, think I'll log onto the internet today and check out wrestling messageboards" then came about this site I would be the one recieving an e-mail asking not to post links to "Copyrighted Material" and not Dames. As just a person talking to another person I don't mind discussing wrestling with him via AIM, however with him taking the reigns of the WWE Forum over(as stated previously) I won't be headed in there anymore.

[Guest Dazed]

Wow.

 

You do know that when you registered, you ticked a little box that said you abide by several rules. One of which:

 

You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by this BB.

 

So your post was in violation of the rules, and the offending part was removed. I didn't touch any of the content of your post, I just removed the link.

[Guest TUS_02]

enjoy putting sirens around JOHNNY NITRO!! until the end of time.

Hey, that shit is fun.

[Ripper 0]

Wow.

 

You do know that when you registered, you ticked a little box that said you abide by several rules.  One of which:

 

You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by this BB.

 

So your post was in violation of the rules, and the offending part was removed.  I didn't touch any of the content of your post, I just removed the link.

*looks nik's at avatar*

[Guest FrigidSoul]

Wow.

 

You do know that when you registered, you ticked a little box that said you abide by several rules. One of which:

 

You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by this BB.

Well then you better go about finding all the other threads with links to video or audio and delete them. Hop to it skippy

[Guest Dazed]

Congratulations on taking the mature road. Do you concede that I was right in editing the post, in accordance with the rules? Or should I have taken another course of action.

Edited May 20, 2004 by nikjohns

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Congratulations on taking the mature road. Do you concede that I was right in editing the post, in accordance with the rules? Or should I have taken another course of action.

Actually Nik you ARE right. But so is FrigidSoul as there are plenty of other threads out there like he speaks of. But then again, would that be a problem for the Mod's of those folders then?

[Guest Loss]

Good Lord, get over yourselves. You're a bunch of children. Whether everyone else is doing it or not, the point is that YOU broke a rule. This is ridiculous.

 

He didn't even edit the content of your post, he just took out the link because it leaves the board privy to a lawsuit. Is that so hard to understand?

[Guest Dids]

FS. I like you homey, but you're off base on this one. Rules say no media, there's no media.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Do you not think "lurk more, post less" is good advice in some cases?

Perhaps it's good advice in NHB and Current Events (definitely in Current Events), but Nik's clarification (that he didn't actually say "post less, lurk more") helped. That phrase can be fighting words where stepping up and posting "Hi I'm new here how r you? " can get you eaten alive by the regulars. I'd say the WWE Folder, General Chat, just about everything but again NHB and CE probably aren't intimidating to first-timers.

 

 

 

And I think there's a bit of an abandonware quotient on video clips. There's no official way to get almost anything prior to 2002 brand new right now, thanks to the WWF name case and a lot of the 2000 stuff ending production some time ago. If we set a limit as to how old something has to be to get posted, I guess saying "Any shows they haven't put out on DVD" would be okay. That would mean NWA/WCW stuff, some of the ECW stuff, and most 99 and prior WWF.

 

But still, I don't see how a board that exchanges passwords to log into the online PPV system every month is suddently so concerned with stealing that they're removing links.

 

I think what most people want in a mod is someone who enforces Dames' rules thread, but turns a blind eye to the legalese in the "Covering Our Asses" registration dialog.

[Guest Loss]

I actually argued the case for that, arguing that the WWE lawyers are almost all talk. But the final decision made was that we would enforce this, so that's that, and I can understand why.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

My only other comment on it is that they went after a guy who was distributing themes, something they've made very very common in their multiple CD releases and you can still easily find WWE Anthology in stores.

 

Old shows that McMahon holds the copyright to but chooses not to do anything with? That's not the same case. I doubt they'll go after that so much, because there's no potential loss of sale in shows they aren't making available, and nobody's making a dime off it by posting it here.

[TSA09 0]

This horseshit is going too far....amusing thread nonetheless.

[Downhome 0]

Wait, we can't ever post links to any wrestling media or anything like that anymore? If not, and I mean this seriously, why allow links for people to download program cracks, songs movies, games, etc...?

 

This is just wonderful.

 

As far as the telling people not to post as much anymore goes, that doesn't surprise me at all.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Can we ban Downhome?

 

Bitch Bitch Bitch man. Seriously, you wouldn't shut up about fixing the forum and now that they're trying you can't shut up about how fucked it is.

 

I don't like alot of the things that are going on but at least they're doing something instead of sitting around bitching about every little thing.

 

Let's just toss DH, Anglesault, Popick, IB, and BBCW and be done with it.

 

CWM- Junior TSMazi

[The Metal Maniac 0]

3 simple questions:

 

1. Since when are we not allowed to post media? This is the first I've heard of this. Is it a new rule?

 

2. What if it's media that's already free on the net for all to enjoy? Like, if I saw a cool video on Clickwrestle.com (free streaming wrestling videos) or some other site that was already giving the stuff away for free...can we link to that, or post the media itself? I can't see that being a problem, but felt I'd ask.

 

3. Is it OK, in other cases, to just link right to the main site or something, and put in the post like "go under downloads, TV clips, and download (x) clip, because it kicks ass"?

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

that was sarcasm by the way

[alfdogg 0]

Yeah.

 

He didn't include Agnes.