Teams that were good and now suck.

[Damaramu 0]

Ok so there's teams out there that used to be really good. Like they won tons of championships....but nowadays they suck. Like the Chicago Bulls and the Boston Celtics. Or the San Fransico 49ers.

These teams were juggernauts...now they're nothing.

So do you think any of the teams like these in the college or pro level in ANY sport will be good again soon.....if ever?

Try to think of a team that used to be really good and has now fallen into nothing.

[ant_7000 0]

I'll be biased and the say the Bulls, their due for some good luck.

[Guest Anglesault]

The 90s Indians were decent.

[Guest Museite]

Preston North-End

[Damaramu 0]

The 90s Indians were decent.

Speaking of the Indians.....why the hell did they pick the Indians for those movies anyways? I mean yeah if I'm asking that question I'd have to ask why'd they pick the Cubs for Rookie of the Year or any baseball team for any movie.

But Major League was somehow......different than any other baseball movie. So why the Indians?

 

Oh man. It's my own topic and I'm already off topic 4 posts in.

[razazteca 0]

Because the Indians were as bad as the current Pirates or Reds?

[Brett Favre 0]

The 90s Indians were decent.

But Major League was somehow......different than any other baseball movie. So why the Indians?

 

Oh man. It's my own topic and I'm already off topic 4 posts in.

Because Cleveland Rocks.

Edited May 18, 2004 by Cena's Writer

[2GOLD 0]

At the time the Cubs were miserable, but fans still went to the games. This is one of the problems with ever using the Cubs because when they suck, the fans are still there.

 

This was the only thing wrong with Rookie of the Year.

 

Also, as much as the Cubs have stunk they weren't as bad as the Indians.

 

The Bulls have the talented players but injuries and guys not developing quick enough plus a piss poor GM killed them for awhile. They'll be back. As will the Celtics but that might take more time than in Chi-town.

[Tawren 0]

The Pittsburgh Penguins had back to back Cups in 91 and 92. Horrible team in the last few years.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Aside from Montreal, Cleveland is probably the most miserable franchise in baseball, that's why. Phillies come close though. Generally if you think of terrible baseball teams you think of the Phillies in the NL and Tribe in the AL. At least when the movie came out.

 

As for my response, I think of the Tigers. Here is one of the most storied franchises in MLB and for the last ten years they have been awful.

 

In the NFL, it is the Buffalo Bills. Since going to four Super Bowls in a row they have won one playoff game, and their most memorable moments since then have been the Music City Miracle and Jim Kelly getting carted off the field in the dying moments of a Wild Card game against the Jaguars in what would be his last game.

[Slayer 0]

Aside from Montreal, Cleveland is probably the most miserable franchise in baseball, that's why. Phillies come close though. Generally if you think of terrible baseball teams you think of the Phillies in the NL and Tribe in the AL. At least when the movie came out.

Nah, when ML came out, the Phillies still had the greatest 3rd baseman ever and were a decade removed from 2 WS appearances with 1 win.

 

I agree with the assessment of Cleveland being the AL bitch for the 80's (and 70's and 60's), but I think a better choice for the NL bitch of the 80's would be Atlanta.

[The Czech Republic 0]

If Major League was made today, I think it would be about the Brewers and not the Indians.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Nah, when ML came out, the Phillies still had the greatest 3rd baseman ever and were a decade removed from 2 WS appearances with 1 win.

 

I agree with the assessment of Cleveland being the AL bitch for the 80's (and 70's and 60's), but I think a better choice for the NL bitch of the 80's would be Atlanta.

 

Yeah, but people still remembered the 70+ years of nothing. Atlanta definitely was up there though.

[Guest Crazy Dan]

The Niners will probably fall into this category as well. Of course they benefited from some great drafts in the late 70's - early 80's. They got Ronnie Lott, and then lucked into Joe Montana, who many teams based his potential on the Cotton Bowl (which was a example that he could be great, but overall it was not his most strongest performance of his career) and he fell into Walsh's lap in the 3rd round. They also managed to draft three secondary starters as well during this time as well. And of course, who could forget Walsh grabbing Rice. This was amoung many great picks which made the Niners great. They also had an owner who cared about winning, and was willing to spend to build a winner. Of course this was before the salary cap, but even with that, Eddie D still cared about winning. Well he is gone, and now John York owns the team, and he only cares about the bottom line. As Eddie D, cared about the Niners, John York is owning a team which I think brings him joy if they don't win, so that his profit margin is higher. So I foresee the Niners being mediocre for many years. And especially when they let all their players go in order save money.

 

Another proud franchise, which now has fallen down to earth are the Celtics. They have so many championships, but in the last 20 years, they have had one team that came close to making the Finals (which would have meant meeting the Lakers, so good chance they would not have won). Going by the Franchise's last set of glory years was the 80's. The decade that was known as either the Lakers or Celtics were going to be the winners. After the 86 season, where the Celtics had their last Championship also had the luck, through a great draft pick deal, land Len Bias, who had the makings of another great player. If he hadn't made the dumb choice to do way too much coke, I have a feeling the Celtics might have won one or two more championships.

 

And the Celtics make one great last run into the 87 Finals, after toughing it out against the team that would end up dethroning their Eastern Dominance, (Pistons) the next year, only to lose a heartbreaker in Game 4 on Magic's great hook shot. And the Lakers go on to beat the Celtics in 6 (many of those games were close). And then the Celtics all begin to break down and begin to show their age. And so the Celtics lose their core players who helped them win championships either due to retirement or free agency.

 

And so the Celtics then begin to rebuild. And they actually have a fairly good player in Dee Brown, or was it Reggie Lewis (I am not recollecting his name), who is now the Celtics best player, and I think he actually helps them win a playoff series. Well he ends up dying on the court of a heart ailment, missed by the Dr's. And so the Celtics end lingering in mediocricity. The Celtics start missing the playoffs, and drafting some stinkers. And of course the one year they have the worse record in basketball, they get screwed over by the Lottery, (which I still think is such worthless thing, the worse team should get the best player, not the team that gets the lucky bounce. Did you know that not one team with the worse record since the lottery has begun, has gotten the number one pick?) and end up with a lower pick. Guess who went #1 that year, that is Right, Tim Duncun.

 

Well they finally get a break, and get Pierce. But this was also during the failed Pitino experiment. But the Celtics finally look like they are on the verge of respectability, have a great playoffs, and then management decides to disband the team. And the Celtics look like they will continue to be mediocre, even when they happen to make the playoffs, like this year, they obviously had no business making the playoffs, and got swept out in one of the worse performances in recent memory. And Ainge looks like he has no clue what he is doing. So I predict Ainge gets run out of town. And the Celtics will continue to dwell on the past, and pray that Larry Bird reincarnate happens to fall in their laps again.

 

And of course there is the Lakers and Yankees. Man championship droughts of 1 year and 2 years means that they now suck. Of course I am totally joking here. With both teams looking like they win it at all either this year, or the next, and the next.

[starvenger 0]

The Toronto Blue Jays. After the strike, the team was never the same, and with Boston and the Yankees in the same division, it's difficult to gain the wild card, let alone a division title...

[CanadianChris 0]

I'll be biased and the say the Bulls, their due for some good luck.

They're due about twenty years of BAD luck for Krause and Reinsdorf bungling MJ's exit as badly as he did. They're on year six, so expect them to improve around 2018.

[Guest Redhawk]

The Bengals used to be regular Super Bowl contenders before the great collapse of the 1990s. I've never followed the team closely so I'm not sure what exactly the story is, but I know back in their heyday they had a great offense: Boomer Esiason, James Brooks, Ickey Woods (for one year, at least), Eddie Brown, Tim McGhee, Rodney Holman, Anthony Munoz; and a pretty good defense: Reggie Williams (I think that was his name #57, a LB), David Fulcher at SS, and a pretty good DT whose name I can't remember.

[Jorge Gorgeous 0]

Army used to be a powerhouse in college football but I dont think we'll ever see a "great" season out of them again. Last season they were the first 1A team to go 0-12, and who wants to go to a military academy when they could go to Miami?

[Damaramu 0]

Army used to be a powerhouse in college football but I dont think we'll ever see a "great" season out of them again. Last season they were the first 1A team to go 0-12, and who wants to go to a military academy when they could go to Miami?

Yeah pretty much.

Plus they aren't trying to produce NFL players. Most of those kids are taking off for service right after they graduate.

[Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0]

The Chicago Blackhawks and the Montreal Candiens.

 

The Blackhawks have an owner who refuses to spend money on the team and the Candiens should not have traded Roy.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

The Bengals used to be regular Super Bowl contenders before the great collapse of the 1990s. I've never followed the team closely so I'm not sure what exactly the story is, but I know back in their heyday they had a great offense: Boomer Esiason, James Brooks, Ickey Woods (for one year, at least), Eddie Brown, Tim McGhee, Rodney Holman, Anthony Munoz; and a pretty good defense: Reggie Williams (I think that was his name #57, a LB), David Fulcher at SS, and a pretty good DT whose name I can't remember.

Two Words:

 

MIKE BROWN

[NoCalMike 0]

in the NFL I'd have to say the Washington Redskins have had the biggest free fall over the last ten years. They weren't just a good team, but a threat to go all the way through most years in the 80's and the first couple of years of the 90's(including when they actually did win it all). They were basically how the Eagles are NOW, but instead, the Skins actually won the Trophy 3 times.

 

I think in the NFL, too many teams are overdoing it when it comes to the offseason. A lot of teams are getting good because they go after the bluecollar hard workers, and try and limit the star players to just a few.

 

If it wasn't for Joe Gibbs, I'd almost have to write this past offseason for the Skins off as another attempt at buying back credibility, but quite frankly, Joe Gibbs will make all the difference. If Gibbs had been the coach the past five years, I can almost guarantee some of those 8-8 seasons, would have been at least 10-6 years with playoff appearances, especially due to the nature in how some of those games were lost.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Penn St.'s football program has fallen. Ever since they where ranked #1. and lost at home to the Gophers in 2000 they haven't been the same team. Even before that their stay in the Big 10 was considered by many to be disapointing. Only 1 Rose Bowl, and 1 Big 10 championship.

[Slayer 0]

Penn St.'s football program has fallen. Ever since they where ranked #1. and lost at home to the Gophers in 2000 they haven't been the same team. Even before that their stay in the Big 10 was considered by many to be disapointing. Only 1 Rose Bowl, and 1 Big 10 championship.

I'm not a big Penn State fan (being a Wolverine guy) but they were f'king screwed out of the '94 national championship

[Guest Crazy Dan]

Army used to be a powerhouse in college football but I dont think we'll ever see a "great" season out of them again. Last season they were the first 1A team to go 0-12, and who wants to go to a military academy when they could go to Miami?

Yeah pretty much.

Plus they aren't trying to produce NFL players. Most of those kids are taking off for service right after they graduate.

Just another reason for Army/Navy/Air Force academies never being able to achieve the success they once had (sans those times they actually have a good team which happens every now and then, but never will they compete for the National Title) is that they have a hard time recruiting the top notch talent. Very hard to recruit a Blue-Chipper on this promise: Well you will get to go through bootcamp your frosh year, ontop of football practice. You will cut your hair, learn to be complete disciplined, while at the same time, even if you have pro talent, you won't be able to enter to enter the draft until you go through a tour of duty. So you will have to wait at least 3 years. Also, what doesn't help that due to some height restrictions, the Academies also can not bring in huge 6-7 O-Linemen/

 

So the military schools are not able to recruit all of the best talent, if any. Especially in this day in age when a top tier player who has pro dreams, is not going to be willing to give up time to serve his country, when he could be making millions, well except for Pat Tillman of course. The military academies are then not able to bring in the best players, and so they make due with what they have. Sometimes they luck out, and actually win enough to earn a bowl bid, but many times you see these teams finish with subpar records, or in the case of Army, go 1-11. And I agree most of the players are getting a chance to play at a Division I school for the experience, but most know that they will be moving on to other things like serving in the Militatary.

 

A very far cry to the days when the Acadamies would produce consisitant winners, and in the case of Roger Staubach, a Heismen winner, and Hall of Famer. But that is the changing face of sports, and the Military Acadamies just don't have the ability to really build powerhouse programs.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

If Major League was made today, I think it would be about the Brewers and not the Indians.

I think it would be the Expos.

[nl5xsk1 0]

The Chicago Blackhawks and the Montreal Candiens.

 

The Blackhawks have an owner who refuses to spend money on the team and the Candiens should not have traded Roy.

The Rangers would have made more sense than the Canadiens. Yes, they haven't won a Cup since 1993, but at least they make the playoffs. The Rangers won the next year, 1994, and haven't done much since, and are working a playoff-drought of 7 years. Hell, the Bruins are a better choice than Montreal; they make the playoffs and then lose in round one. Montreal at least advances to round 2 occasionally.

[C Dubya 04 0]

You have to really look at which sport it is I think. Teams like the 49ers will be good again because of the parity in football nowadays. But, a team like the Expos will never be good until something changes for them.

 

The Atlanta Hawks have taken quite a fall in the NBA, and show no signs of improving.

[Guest Redhawk]

Also, what doesn't help that due to some height restrictions, the Academies also can not bring in huge 6-7 O-Linemen/

If they have height restrictions, why was 7-foot-1 David Robinson allowed to go to/play for the Naval Academy? I know Robinson was deemed too tall to do some things military-wise, but he could still train to be an officer.

[Guest Vitamin X]

I think the Jags will eventually be back, they're definitely headed in the right direction with Leftwich as QB and Del Rio as Head Coach. They may not have been good last season, but I think they'll surprise people.

 

The Niners....hmmm... A team that used to be the cornerstone of stability has completely turned over a great team (Mariucci, Garcia, Heart, Owens) into a mediocre team (the very definition of mediocre Erickson, Rattay/Dorsey, KEVAN BARLOW and BRANDON LLOYD?!?). They won't be good again until they pull their heads out their asses and get the team together.

 

Instability at the quarterback position is one of the WORST things that can happen to a team in football. Witness the Cincinatti Bengals of the 90's. Yet Witness the most winngest team of the 90s (Green Bay) and how they had ONE quarterback for the majority of the decade, and you'll see my point.

 

Good luck to the Redskins this year too, I think they're bound for much greater things.