This Week in Baseball

[Guest FrigidSoul]

I'll tell you if you bring me

[Guest OctoberBlood]

This is your response to everything you disagree with.

 

When you talk out of your ass, I'll try and let you know. Therefore I did.

 

I can tell he's loved by the way you, Choken One, and other Cinci fans here speak of him

 

Again, clear ignorance. 3 or 4 fans doesn't repersent the whole fan base of Cincinnati. I know for a fact he's liked by many. Far more like him than dis-like him.

 

Constant Blown Saves? Last season he wasn't a closer and this year he's blown 4 saves in 25 chances.

 

Again, meaningless. He's simply gotten the most chances. Saying constant blown saves compared to the other closers in the league not named Gagne may sound like I am wanting and expecting more than I'll ever get, which means it could be a poor choice of words. Lets say, constant almost blown saves. Constant LUCK of not blowing a save. Again, 35 Baseballers and 7 Homeruns in 27 Innings is garbage. Sooner or later it's gonna add up. 4 Blown saves in May is bad. I don't care how many saves he has to counter it with. From the outside looking in like all ignorant fans do, you'll see he leads the world in saves, which really doesn't tell the whole story of Danny Graves.

 

Back to this again are we?

 

Back to what? Stating facts? What is wrong with that? It sounds like you're just a John Kruck type. I expect you to say something like .. "He has 21 saves so he's the best closer in the game"... I wouldn't be surprised if you did.

 

That's almost half of what the Braves pay for John Smoltz and he has a save percentage of 88%. Other closers making more than Graves include; Billy Koch, Keith Foulke, Mariano Rivera, Billy Wagner, Rob Nenn(and he isn't even pitching), Troy Percival, and Jason Isrenhausen. Half of the players listed make almost 1.75 times more than Graves.

 

Wow. Comparing Graves to the likes of Smoltz, Wagner, Rivera, Nenn and Percival is hilarious. Once Graves starts striking guys out and refuse to flirt with danger every freaking outing, then he'll deserve his paycheck.

 

I agree, but I think your just dangling from Al's words when you say this. If you can properly explain why they're over-rated then I'll think otherwise. If you get it wrong I'm here to chime in and tell you why you got it wrong.

 

Huh? Are you questioning my knowledge of the game? To even suggest such a thing as "Ohh he's saying this because Al is" is so freaking sad I don't know how to describe it. This isn't kindergarten bucko. The save is very overrated and they do NOT accurately reflect a player's performance.

 

However you critisise somebody when they aren't doing their job, not when they;re doing their job well.

 

Once Graves starts pitching well, I'll stop critizing him.

 

 

Hey, does anyone know offhand who is pitching Saturday for the Sox vs. Seattle? My mother scored four tickets from work (sec 27, box 154), and I was just curious.

 

Freddy Garcia vs. Tim Wakefield.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

You don't know shit though. Al schools you everytime and you still didn't back up why saves are overated. Back something up with well explained facts rather than opinion and perhaps you'll be taken seriously. Until then you're just a bitter teenager in my eyes.

[Guest OctoberBlood]

Just like how you got schooled here?

 

I don't have to back anything up. I know in my head why saves are over rated. Hell, anyone on the interenet should know - because theres tons of infomation everywhere. Read. Learn. Study.

 

Al doesn't know anymore than I do. All he does is read Bill James and basicly spits out everything he says. Not that hard to do buddy. But Al, is very smart in his own ways too. Reading Bill James is not a bad thing.

 

This board has seriously turned from fun, enjoyable, to a pain in the ass because of your trolling. It's like you follow me around.

 

Edit: I'll take the advice of someone and just ignore you from now on.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

You didn't school me at anything. Go do your homework skippy.

 

Also, I find it funny you say I'm following you around to troll you when I gave an opinion here and you came out of nowhere to state I didn't know shit. Pretty humorous if you ask me.

[Guest OctoberBlood]

Reds have the most trouble hitting slop throwing left handers. Shawn Estes, Wayne Franlin, Dough Davis, Kirk Rueter, and so far tonight.. Tommy Phelps. Wake up.

[DerangedHermit 0]

I think a four-man rotation would be a good idea for the Mets and Yankees.

Hell yes. Have Leiter (when he comes back), Glavine, Trachsel (one of the ML's most underrated pitchers) and Ginter (he's looking good and pretty awesome for a guy they got for Timo FUCKING Perez). Put Seo in the pen.

[Bruiser Chong 0]

Someone care to remind me why signing Maddux was a good idea? I think everyone's accepted the fact that he's not what he used to be, but a lot of people were actually defending the transaction. I've yet to really see any positives come out of this. Just a lot of wasted money that could've gone to an area that needed attention.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

God bless the Mets for letting John Franco pitch.

[Bruiser Chong 0]

Cubs score their first run in 20 innings and had them at the corners with only one out. Of course, when you've got Ramon Martinez in the pitcher due up, you can forget about it. Martinez is batting a slick .213 now. That's inexcusable for a position player who's not a catcher, I don't care how good you are with the leather. And to be quite frank, Ramon ain't exactly Ozzie Smith over there at shortstop.

[Bruiser Chong 0]

And Pettitte just left the game with an elbow injury.

[Guest OctoberBlood]

And Pettitte just left the game with an elbow injury.

Wow again?

 

Let me know the seriousness once you find out.

[sfaJack 0]

Somewhere, I'm sure Anglesault is weeping tears of joy over Pettitte's apparent re-injury.

 

I don't know why the Astros wasted Brandon Backe in that pinch-hit spot there. It's one thing if you leave him in to pitch afterwards, but to burn a reliever you might need later in the game is silly. Why not let Oswalt hit there or Miller or even Clemens? Those guys aren't going to be needed later. It's kinda silly.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Hell, why didn't they use an actual hitter?

[sfaJack 0]

Jesus Christ...STOP PITCHING TO BERKMAN! It's that fucking simple. Give him NOTHING good to hit.

[sfaJack 0]

I dunno Al. I guess they didn't want to burn a bench player that early in the game. It is only the top of the fifth now. Still doesn't make any sense though.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

How often do you use every bench player though?

[sfaJack 0]

Ummm...the 2002 All-Star game comes to mind, but otherwise it's not likely to happen. Jimy Williams just does some strange things sometimes.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Did the Cubs sign the wrong Ramon Martinez? If so, they should consider letting this one pitch.

[Bruiser Chong 0]

Thank god this is just a two-game series. Whereas the Cards / Cubs games are always emotionally draining, they're fun to watch. The Cubs are Astros games are usually just frustrating, even when the Cubs manage a win. I think it's just because the Stros have always rubbed me the wrong way.

 

And Derrek Lee can feel free to pick things up any time, now. It's almost June and he's still not coming through most of the time. With Sosa gone and Ramirez missing more than hitting, he's gotta pick up the pace.

 

Pettitte's injury was apparently just a forearm strain and he's listed as day-to-day.

[DerangedHermit 0]

God bless the Mets for letting John Franco pitch.

Somebody tell John to retire to coaching...and the umpiring sucks hard this year.

[Bored 0]

So when are the A's going to fire Ken Macha already? Leaving Redman in there for 127 pitches and to let the Red Sox blow it open in the 6th.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Here's a trivia question.

 

Three pitchers active in baseball lead their respective franchises in wins all-time, and still pitch for those clubs. Who are they?

[sfaJack 0]

Randy Johnson, Jamie Moyer, and Brad Penny

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Johnson (Arizona) and Penny (Florida) are correct. Moyer trails Randy Johnson on Seattle's list by 9 wins.

[sfaJack 0]

Victor Zambrano then.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Correct. Kind of sad on the Devil Rays' part.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

From the "Interesting For No Apparent Reason" Files. Jesse Orosco has pitched, but less than 5 IP, for three different clubs. The Twins, Yankees, and Cardinals.

[HarleyQuinn 0]

I hope the Reds trade Danny Graves. He loves playing for Cinci and doesn't say a bad word yet all the fans seems to shit on him constantly. As a closer he gets the job done and isn't appreciated by the fanbase at all.

 

At least with Red Sox fans complaining about Nomar or Pedro we have grounds. Pedro is asking for a shit load of money and has yet to show he's still worth that kind of cash while Nomar may actually be taking his time coming back because of the whole A-Rod fiasco(there are talks that he just doesn't want to come back and play but if he were traded would be ready).

 

Graves goes out, does his job, does it well, says nothing poor pertaining to it, and gets shit on. I don't understand it at all.

Danny Graves: 27 IP in 27 games, 21 saves in 25 opportunities, 14 runs allowed, 7 home runs(1 HR per 4 IP almost), 4 BB's(.15 per IP) and 19 K's(.70 per IP).

 

As comparisons...

 

Danny Kolb(Milwaukee): 15.2 IP in 17 games, 11 saves in 11 opportunities, 1 run allowed, 0 home runs, 3 BB's(.20 per IP) and 3 K's(.20 per IP)

 

Ugueth Urbina(Florida): 14.1 IP in 15 games, 6 saves in 6 opportunities, 4 runs allowed, 0 home runs, 10 BB's(awful. .71 per IP) and 14 K's(.99 per IP)

 

Jose Mesa(Pittsburgh): 19.1 IP in 19 games, 13 saves in 13 opportunities, 1 run allowed, 0 home runs, 3 BB's(.16 per IP) and 12 K's(.63 per IP)

 

--Just looking at those 3 guys who aren't exactly on stellar teams, saves really don't mean much if the pitcher can just flat out pitch(Shown by Kolb and Mesa, for the meantime at least). Also those 3 are all perfect and have allowed far fewer HR's and haven't blown a save yet. It's not all that hard to see why Graves isn't considered that great by the Cincy fanbase.

[Bruiser Chong 0]

It's becoming more and more obvious that unless the Cubs get healthy soon, they aren't going to be contenders much longer. Speaking of which, they're about to place Todd Wellemeyer on the DL, who has a shoulder strain. That makes nine guys on the DL at the same time. This includes their two best starters, best hitter, double-play combo, one of two lefty relievers and one of the few decent middle relieve guys the Cubs have. What a nightmare.