Cruiserweight division problems

[Guest Anglesault]

The problem with that scenario is that it puts too much focus on their size,

I always felt that the Cruiser division itself does that. Basically, it's little more than a belt for losers who are far too small to compete over an actual important title.

[Guest INXS]

It's a self created problem as the writing for the division has been very poor as of late. It's been so poor I feel that the division has been sabotaged and that it has been purposely made sub par. The question to ask is, why? Promoters have to be aware that having the leightweights overshadow th heavyweight, upper card workers is poor for business but this is silly.

[The C Man 0]

Why not make it an actual, real division, with a points system. You can have a cruiserweight table with the person sitting at the top of the table getting the title shot at the end of the month. Do something like two points for a win, one for a draw, and zero for a loss. That way every single cruiser match has a purpose and the WWE doesn't even need to create a storyline for the title-shot, it can be obtained simply by winning matches. This could in turn set-up interesting storylines.

Say for instance Rey is sitting second in the table and needs a win to become first and get the title shot. The previous week on Smackdown Rey's arch rival Mark Jindrak (it has to be someone not in the cruiser division) layed a real beating on Rey and Rey is looking for revenge. Evil Mr. Angle grants Rey a match with Jindrak, or he could have a cruiser match and potentially get first place. So what does Rey do? Does he go for Jindrak and opt out of the title match (I understand that could hurt the image)? Or does he take a risk and have the cruiser match, knowing that he could end up with nothing.

That was just a simple example of a simple storyline, all containing the Cruiser title. Maybe they could even put in a rule where no one wrestler can get consecutive title shots, thereby making a title shot more meaningful when it comes.

[Tawren 0]

Here is the major problem with the CW division. IT'S NOT A DIVISION!!!!!! If they would take the leashes off the cruisers and let them go out and put on matches we know they could and eventually everything would fall into place. Fans would get into it if they put on showstopping matches EVERY week. This is EXACTLY what WCW did when first bringing in the CW's and they had NO name value whatsoever to the WCW fans. They eventually won over the crowds with the stellar ring performances. Even though wrestling has changed since then(as in their moves aren't as fresh as they were when WCW started bringing them in) people still respond to strong matchups.

My opinion is right there.

 

Whenever people say cruisers don't draw, the response should be have they ever had the chance? I cannot think of a single PPV headlined by cruisers, yet I can think of all the ones that haven't drawn having heavyweight main events. If they book the division like a division, give them time to get over, and don't half ass it, it will get over and it will draw.

[notJames 0]

Vince McMahon (heart) big men.

 

That is all the answer WW_ will ever supply. Like it or lump it.

[Internet Warfare 0]

Why not make it an actual, real division, with a points system. You can have a cruiserweight table with the person sitting at the top of the table getting the title shot at the end of the month. Do something like two points for a win, one for a draw, and zero for a loss. That way every single cruiser match has a purpose and the WWE doesn't even need to create a storyline for the title-shot, it can be obtained simply by winning matches.

The fans would never care enough to keep track of whose winning and besides that alone wont get the cruiser's on SD!

[reign 0]

What really sucks is that all of the cruisers with the exception of Tajari and the Hurricane are all on SD! and nobody knows what the fuck to do on that show even with Eddie and RVD so how can we expect Vince to do anything with those smaller guys...it's a terrible thing when your show sucks and you have 13 answers sitting in your locker room and don't use them...I've said it before...you wouldn't even need a storyline for the most part...vacate the title and hold a summer long round robin tourney...that way everybody gets to wrestle each other over a drawn out period so that everybody gets some exposure...they could really use some of the flash of WCW's division...I mean every week we got to see all these great characters like Pyscochis...all we get are Virginia trash and a bunch of Japanese guys...it always seems out of place

[Guest croweater]

Vince's solution:

 

Vacate the title

 

Cruiserweight battle royal

 

He does nothing long term to help the cruiserweight division. He can't build it up because they are used as jobbers to bigger people and hance lose all credability, so then, when they go against eachother there is little-no heat.

[thuganomics 0]

The main thing WCW did was give us non-title cruiserweight matches on the regular show. It's mystifying to me why we can't have a title-related match AND another match featuring the cruisers on each show.

 

Than just bring in a couple of insane spot guys, and some luchas, and you could have a seriously good division running.

[Scroby 0]

Than just bring in a couple of insane spot guys, and some luchas, and you could have a seriously good division running.

 

Problem is, WWE doesn't beleave in insane spot guys with the exception of Jeff Hardy and we all know we do NOT want his ass back, espically in that division. Also with the luchas WWE would want them to wrestle WWE style, and I'm sure a lot of them don't want to do that, we all know what happen with Juvi when he decided not to do it, and we all know what is happening with Ultimo because he refuses to change his style for the WWE.

[humongous2002 0]

That's the main problem with WWE, their basic wrestling style, if they allowed the cruiserweights or for that matter SD superstars wrestle with freedom then more people would be more interested in watching the show. Let RAW keep their precious WWE style and have the other brand wrestle whichever way they want.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Why not make it an actual, real division, with a points system. You can have a cruiserweight table with the person sitting at the top of the table getting the title shot at the end of the month. Do something like two points for a win, one for a draw, and zero for a loss. That way every single cruiser match has a purpose and the WWE doesn't even need to create a storyline for the title-shot, it can be obtained simply by winning matches.

The fans would never care enough to keep track of whose winning and besides that alone wont get the cruiser's on SD!

The fans don't care because the WWE half asses it and doesn't give them a reason to care. Why should fans care when the CW's aren't EVER highlighted as an important part of the show. They need to do more than have Michael Cole go apeshit with the "This is the only place you will see Cruiserweight action of this caliber" verbal blowjob to the bookers to get them over too. Give their matches the proper time to get over and also give the workers a chance to let the crowd know their characters, instead of most of them being thought as nobodies.......

[Guest Loss]

You don't 'expect' fans to 'keep up' with everything -- you remind them through brackets, graphics and video packages what's going on. Some people hate it, but to me, wrestling HAS to be about the sledgehammer of plot.

[Guest croweater]

Why not make it an actual, real division, with a points system. You can have a cruiserweight table with the person sitting at the top of the table getting the title shot at the end of the month. Do something like two points for a win, one for a draw, and zero for a loss. That way every single cruiser match has a purpose and the WWE doesn't even need to create a storyline for the title-shot, it can be obtained simply by winning matches.

The fans would never care enough to keep track of whose winning and besides that alone wont get the cruiser's on SD!

Fans seem to keep up with Football, Baseball, Basketball and any other sport they care about VERY well, why not wrestling?

[Scroby 0]

Fans seem to keep up with Football, Baseball, Basketball and any other sport they care about VERY well, why not wrestling?

 

You gotta remember that in America, wrestling is seen as a show not a sport. So the average fan most likely won't keep up with win and loss records, espically since wrestlers win and lose at house shows and its not even brought up unless there's a title change.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Fans seem to keep up with Football, Baseball, Basketball and any other sport they care about VERY well, why not wrestling?

 

You gotta remember that in America, wrestling is seen as a show not a sport. So the average fan most likely won't keep up with win and loss records, espically since wrestlers win and lose at house shows and its not even brought up unless there's a title change.

Your getting ahead of yourself. The fans won't keep up with stuff they see as unimportant, and that is exactly how the WWE treats the CW division. The blame goes solely on the WWE on this one......not the fans.

[Scroby 0]

Yeah I guess WWE is the main factor..

[Guest croweater]

I disagree. I believe that fans will be able to keep up as long as they show the roster before of after cruiserweight matches and keep it logical. They would only have to add the televised matches. Generally, including velocity, there are about 3 cruiserweight matches. All they'd need to do is add another 1 and they've got a minimum 8 wrestlers in a week. That's enough to set up some sort of ladder system.

Also, it could be used in gimik matches (so the WWE can book around the ladder) so that say, Rey is in 3rd and wants a title shot, Angle could say that his next match against the 1# contender is worth double points.

 

Other things that can be used is that the winner takes 2 of his opponents points, the loser will have his points erased, ect.

[Scroby 0]

I'd think that'd be way to much, plus it would have to be done for every title.

[Guest Loss]

No, they wouldn't. The unique nature of the division is what makes it work.

[cbacon 0]

It may be gone soon anyway...

 

Bruce Prichard has been pushing for WWE to remove the Cruiserweight Division from Smackdown and just have all the workers work together. This would more or less bury most of the small guys.

 

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[Spaceman Spiff 0]

From the 5/31 Observer (we have a thread on page 2, which is where I jacked this)

There is a lot of talk that Bruce Prichard on the Smackdown writing team is behind a lot of the retro gimmicks. It would make sense about Mordecai, since he's long been a gigantic fan of Undertaker and is currently considered Undertaker's political ally. Prichard briefly managed Undertaker out of the blocks, before the hiring of William Moody as Paul Bearer. Even if the jury is out on Mordecai, the fact is, his shot at getting over is a lot better with this angle than it would be as Kevin Fertig. Prichard also been credited (or blamed) for the cruiserweight situation. David Lagana is the Smackdown head writer, and he's long been a proponent of the cruiserweight division, even booking them in the TV main event position in the past. The fact the division is being turned into a comedy division seems to indicate a greater influence of Prichard.

 

Several of the cruiserweights themselves are frustrated because they recognize their only access to a push is if the division was given some prestige. They fear it turning into what WCW turned it into under Vince Russo, especially since a few were there when that happened.

Bruce Prichard is seriously getting on my nerves. It's one thing if you eliminate the "division" (such as it is) and give the guys something to do in the midcard, but they'll all/most just become jobbers. At least with the division you can spotlight a few of the guys. Eliminating the division just screams "we're too lazy to come up with anything" to me.

[Guest Trivia247]

It just makes one wanna cry tears of Blood.

 

Cruiserweights was always the 2nd rate in the minds of McMahons and such, but never did they just shit on them at this scale. And the sad part is I don't even mind Chavo Classic with the title because in HIS day he was an accomplished Gory trained wrestler. However he hardly has the mobility he had in the 70's-80's. he is still better than Jacky wearing the belt...

 

But come on. Where is the rest of the Cruiserweight division?

[NoCalMike 0]

Once I saw Rey Jr. debut in WWE all buffed out, I knew there was no hope for the WWE CW division.