Guest glennsoe Report post Posted May 28, 2004 Credit; pwinsider.com World Wrestling Entertainment released the buyrate for the Judgment Day 2004 PPV as part of information released to WWE stockholders today. The buyrate for the PPV, headlined by Eddie Guerrero defending the WWE championship against John Bradshaw Layfield was ~200,000 buys. That would be much lower than the 2003 PPV buyrate, which was ~300,000 and the 2002 number of ~375,000. Obviously this is a strong sign of the current state of the Smackdown brand, which Jim Ross termed as in a "transitional period" last month during an appearance on the WWE.com Byte This Internet show. The buyrate is the lowest for any WWE live PPV event since February 2001. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iliketurtles 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2004 Difference with February 2001 and now is that a lot of people wanted to save their money for Mania instead of getting No Way Out. It's not like the fans are saying money for another WWE PPV at this point...which makes it a hell of a lot worse than what it was in 2001. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericho2000Mark 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2004 The hell, I thought NWO 01 drew great buys... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fook Report post Posted May 28, 2004 Wait...so Bradshaw's NOT a draw??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Winter Of My Discontent Report post Posted May 28, 2004 Wait...so Bradshaw's NOT a draw??? He is, Eddie's not. Bring back Stephanie and put the title on her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack Malibu 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2004 I can't forsee the Great American Bash doing much better, because the confirmed/rumored matches for that (Eddie vs. JBL in a gimmick match, Undertaker vs. Dudleys) aren't exactly going to make people run out and lay down $34.95. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Use Your Illusion 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2004 I thought NWO 01 drew shitloads too. The whole show was on fucking fire the entire night, really awesome PPV. The Triple H/Austin feud was built really well too, I thought that would of brought in heaps of cash. This JD buyrate does little to surprise me. UYI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iliketurtles 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2004 I just checked ProWrestlingHistory.com...No Way Out 2001 got a 1.31 which is above normal, so their stat about that is pretty much not true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Use Your Illusion 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2004 1.31 is better than 'above normal', that's a mighty fine lot of buys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted May 28, 2004 The title acts like this is some kind of shock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Tino Standard 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2004 1.31 is better than 'above normal', that's a mighty fine lot of buys. Buyrate isn't the number anyone should be concerned about... The number of actual buys is. With PPV availability changing through the years, buyrates are hard to compare. Still, a 1.31 in 2001 wouldn't set any records, but yeah, that should have translated into a pretty high number of buys nonetheless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted May 28, 2004 Considering how bad the show looked on paper I'm surprised that they actually managed 200,000 buys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted May 28, 2004 I won't use the "the numbers change over the years" because there is no difference between buyrates from five years ago and today. NWO did a good buyrate in 2001 for a non-big 4/5 PPV, and Invasion did even better. I guess it was a disapointing number because of the heavily hyped Austin/HHH showdown. Edit: Hogan/Taker did nearly double in buyrates over Eddie/BRADSHAW. Somehow, I'm not surprised. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted May 28, 2004 For some reason I see smart fans getting blamed for the low buyrate. Or, they could always use a non-sensical political excuse... "There's a Presidential election coming up! Everyone is watching the cable news channels!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Korgath Report post Posted May 28, 2004 Hardly surprising... the buildup to the PPV took all of 2 weeks. And they had 2 months after Wrestlemania! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2004 200,000 people bought Judgment Day? I thought there was gonna be like 29 buys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdwardKnoxII 0 Report post Posted May 29, 2004 For some reason I see smart fans getting blamed for the low buyrate. Or, they could always use a non-sensical political excuse... "There's a Presidential election coming up! Everyone is watching the cable news channels!" Come on we all know that Eddie is going to get the blame for this. And because of the low buyrate Vince decides to take the belt off of him and put it on JBL. Because as we all know Hosses=buyrates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted May 29, 2004 I wonder if that includes the number of people who bought the webcast... <---Idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaosrage 0 Report post Posted May 29, 2004 Well according to some people (like everyone who blames Diesel for 95 and Shawn for 96), the world champion is all that matters. So maybe we SHOULD blame Eddy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bradolson 0 Report post Posted May 29, 2004 I can't forsee the Great American Bash doing much better, because the confirmed/rumored matches for that (Eddie vs. JBL in a gimmick match, Undertaker vs. Dudleys) aren't exactly going to make people run out and lay down $34.95. don't forget that wwe will probably count all the "free" buys that members of the military order because they will order normally and just get reimbursed the $35 when they send in their cable/satellite bill. so the GAB should have an artificially high buyrate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cheech Report post Posted May 29, 2004 I thought Armageddon 2003 got the lowest buyrate since an In Your House PPV in 1996? And that No Way Out 2004 did even worse. And No Way Out 2001 was one of the best PPV's the company has ever done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted May 29, 2004 well I expected this, considering I see the ppvs for free here at a sportsbar and I still refused to watch it last month. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbondrage99 0 Report post Posted May 29, 2004 200,000 buys!?! Wow considering what I thought this Craptactular PPV would do this was a smash hit! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted May 29, 2004 Well, I tried to help Eddie. I tried. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0 Report post Posted May 29, 2004 Wait, a card that had 4 matches known before the last Smackdown before the PPV failed? I mean, they had 2 months to promote matches and they came up with 4 and then came up with the rest at the last minute. Vince should not let Smackdown degrade itself to this. He owns a publicly traded company and this looks bad for the company even though Raw is doing well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted May 29, 2004 "Obviously this is a strong sign of the current state of the Smackdown brand, which Jim Ross termed as in a 'transitional period' last month during an appearance on the WWE.com Byte This Internet show." Transitional period = JR speak for "the show is sucking **** right now, and expect it to for a while...then we'll do a ridiculous over-the-top angle to 'get ratings.'" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted May 29, 2004 Well according to some people (like everyone who blames Diesel for 95 and Shawn for 96), the world champion is all that matters. So maybe we SHOULD blame Eddy. Wrong. Diesel headlined EVERY PPV that year except IYH5, and they all sucked dick in the buyrate department. Michaels was no better in 1996. Judging ONE show Eddie headlined shouldn't be the time to pull out a crucifix. If it's consistant....then that's a different story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hitman2003 0 Report post Posted May 29, 2004 I thought Armageddon 2003 got the lowest buyrate since an In Your House PPV in 1996? And that No Way Out 2004 did even worse. And No Way Out 2001 was one of the best PPV's the company has ever done. No Way Out 2004 did better than Armageddon 2003. Last I heard, Armageddon 2003 did 215,000 buys an No Way Out 200 did 250,000. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbondrage99 0 Report post Posted May 29, 2004 Judging ONE show Eddie headlined shouldn't be the time to pull out a crucifix. If it's consistant....then that's a different story. It will be consistant if they keep putting him in the main event against JBL, I mean c'mon Why JBL of all people, actually if JBL then why not anyone? Why not put in the main event against Orlando Jordan? I mean why not the results would probally be the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mole 0 Report post Posted May 29, 2004 They should make the brand PPVs around $24.99. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites