SD SPOILER - Info on Mordecai

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

No, I'm not being sarcastic. I'm willing to give Mordecai a chance before I shit all over his skills. I've seen Seven in OVW a few times, and he's a decent wrestler, but a bit green. Tomko on the other hand, was horrible, and I'm not surprised he still sucks.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

And let's just see where they GO with this. Maybe he's gonna cost him the title, making Bradshaw the champion, and leading to a non-title feud.

Yeah, 'cause *that* will make it all worthwhile.

[Guest TheHulkster]

Mordeci & Taker Vs The Dudleys for the belts would've been a better idea that the cement truck poured in coffin with a fat guy inside match for GAB. They could've plugged in Mordeci as a mystery partner and had them beat the shit out of the Dudleys for 10 minutes. Then they can work some kind of relationship between Mordeci and the Undertaker (Friends/Defenders of some kind of supernatural BS/ Etc.). You know that they are bound to feud anyway. It's too ealy for Mordeci to be talking about Eddie.

[Vyce 0]

Mordecai v. Eddie, even for the belt = STILL better than any possible combination of Eddie vs. Mark Jindrack.

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

I am completely against Mordecai/Eddie at this point, but not because Mordecai sucks. Granted, Mordecai may suck, but that isn't my concern right now. Eddie's title reign has been littered with Eddie having to haul around very limited workers. Please, give the guy SOMEONE passable for a couple of months. Get a couple of decent matches, let Eddie show what he can do, gain a little steam. Then if you send him back to HOSS factory, maybe someone will care.

 

And by passable, I'm not talking about Benoit level, I'm talking Book, RVD, Haas, heck, anybody.

[Zack Malibu 0]

I can sorta see where they are going with this (positioning Mordecai as a threat to the headliners in order to make him seem like a worthy opponent for UT down the line), but going from a debut squash to a win over Paul London on TV to possibly feud with the WWE Champion is a bit of a stretch. I won't judge until I see how they go about this, but someone like RVD (who is a star and can take tons of punishment to make Mordecai look good) is a better fit to get him over in this early stage of the push.

 

On a related note regarding UT and feuding with newcomers, I also think that Undertaker vs. Kenzo Suzuki is not too far behind, probably by Survivor Series/Armageddon.

[AndrewTS 0]

Back in the day, it wasn't unusual for a new wrestler to target the champ shortly after his debut ... just because we've evolved with the internet doesn't mean that this practice should stop. It actually would help get Mordecai over with the marks, even if Eddy wins the 'feud'.

Yeah, but Eddy isn't Hulk Hogan. His match isn't going to be a huge draw no matter what regardless of challenger like Hogan's would be. He needs an opponent the fans give a damn about.

[humongous2002 0]

I can sorta see where they are going with this (positioning Mordecai as a threat to the headliners in order to make him seem like a worthy opponent for UT down the line), but going from a debut squash to a win over Paul London on TV to possibly feud with the WWE Champion is a bit of a stretch.  I won't judge until I see how they go about this, but someone like RVD (who is a star and can take tons of punishment to make Mordecai look good) is a better fit to get him over in this early stage of the push.

 

On a related note regarding UT and feuding with newcomers, I also think that Undertaker vs. Kenzo Suzuki is not too far behind, probably by Survivor Series/Armageddon.

How about this instead of making RVD into Mordercrap's stepping stone, why not use RVD as the #1 contender for the WWE title?Makes more sense and it will definitely do more buyrates than the Texan Nazi.

[Guest Seven Sins]

I am completely against Mordecai/Eddie at this point, but not because Mordecai sucks. Granted, Mordecai may suck, but that isn't my concern right now. Eddie's title reign has been littered with Eddie having to haul around very limited workers. Please, give the guy SOMEONE passable for a couple of months. Get a couple of decent matches, let Eddie show what he can do, gain a little steam. Then if you send him back to HOSS factory, maybe someone will care.

 

And by passable, I'm not talking about Benoit level, I'm talking Book, RVD, Haas, heck, anybody.

RVD's not passionate enough to even do his moves half the damn time, Booker wants to retire ( no chance of a wwe title shot) Haas has no chance in hell of getting near the wwe title.

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

RVD's not passionate enough to even do his moves half the damn time, Booker wants to retire ( no chance of a wwe title shot) Haas has no chance in hell of getting near the wwe title.

 

OK. So Mordy it is. Yeah, that makes a lot more sense.

[Zack Malibu 0]

I can sorta see where they are going with this (positioning Mordecai as a threat to the headliners in order to make him seem like a worthy opponent for UT down the line), but going from a debut squash to a win over Paul London on TV to possibly feud with the WWE Champion is a bit of a stretch.  I won't judge until I see how they go about this, but someone like RVD (who is a star and can take tons of punishment to make Mordecai look good) is a better fit to get him over in this early stage of the push.

 

On a related note regarding UT and feuding with newcomers, I also think that Undertaker vs. Kenzo Suzuki is not too far behind, probably by Survivor Series/Armageddon.

How about this instead of making RVD into Mordercrap's stepping stone, why not use RVD as the #1 contender for the WWE title?Makes more sense and it will definitely do more buyrates than the Texan Nazi.

As an RVD fan, I'm not supporting him being anyone's stepping stone, but if they're intent on making new stars, you have to pair them off with established people. Lesnar feuded with both the Hardy's and RVD before he went onto The Rock feud/title win. If Mordecai is going to look like a threat to either the title or The Undertaker, he needs to do more than squash cruisers and smark darlings like London.

 

Let's face it, at this point Van Dam is not going to get any higher than the US Title level, and the shoddy treatment of him has affected both fan reactions as well as his own workrate. Still, he remains quite over (though not as much as 2001-2002) so that he can give off some rub.

 

An RVD/Eddie feud did well in the past (over the IC Title just after the brand split in '02) and I fully support RVD turning heel and going with Heyman (although it seems that angle is over and done with). I'm all for it, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for WWE to actually do something worthwhile like that.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

He has motivation.

 

That's a helluvalot more than most wrestlers.

 

This is a good thing. It gives him a path - he doesn't have to go directly up to fighting Guerrero, he can fight others; as long as he keeps his aim on the champ.

 

RRR: Doesn't watch Smackdown, so doesn't care about the in-ring effects.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

I love how everyone assumes Mordecai sucks despite never seeing him wrestle a competitive match.

 

I hand in my membership card of being a Smark.

[Guest Seven Sins]

I love how everyone assumes Mordecai sucks despite never seeing him wrestle a competitive match.

 

I hand in my membership card of being a Smark.

I like Mordechai. I'm usually in the minority of people who hate a certain wrestler everyone else loves (London, Technical wrestling period except beniot,Eddie,chavo and others.) and in the minority of a certain wrestler most hate and few like (Mordechai)

[Dark Age 0]

I love how everyone assumes Mordecai sucks despite never seeing him wrestle a competitive match.

 

I hand in my membership card of being a Smark.

Except, of course, all the matches he has wrestled in OVW. I didn't like hm there, I don't like him here. But that's not really the point. People are shitting on it because it's stupid pushing him straight to a title feud. I would gladly ignore his existance so long as he keeps squashing cruisers, but when he's feuding for the title, he's hard to ignore.

 

Plus, it's not even just his ability. His gimmick just screams that of a cheap indy wrestler, he's shown no real ability in his promos (and most have been pre-taped), and (if I was judging from his WWE work) he didn't show any potential in his match with Scotty. Yes, I know, it's one match, and it was a squash. Still, Mordi did nothing in it. And he moved really slow.

 

It's cool that you wanna give the guy a chance because you haven't (?) seen him before and you don't wanna jump to conclusions because he's a mini hoss. Heck, I'd be the same way if I was in your situation. But surely you must admit it's stupid to push a super green, not great worker (no matter how you look at it) and not really over guy straight into a title feud. It's crazy.

[Mystery Eskimo 0]

Smackdown is a dead show. Let them experiment with new guys, what harm can it do? It's a shame they moved Matt Hardy (and Albert, to a lesser extent) to Raw. I would have liked an Eddy-Matt feud.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

I've seen a handful of his OVW matches last year, and he isn't THAT bad. He's a little green, but can probably improve.

 

It's all a matter of a opinion I guess.

 

<----Kane mark.

 

Edit: Time to actually think of ways this can work.

 

I can't. But it's a lot better than BRADSHAW. Bradshaw has sucked for 8 years. At least giving a "new comer" a shot means he can have a main event feud, suck, then be depushed, instead of the other way around.

 

Logically, SD has no one but Taker to headline seriously, and him vs. Eddie will not be the best thing to do. RVD is a face who half-asses whenever he's jobbing, John Cena's US Champ...and sucks, and Booker T's credibilty went out the window at WM XIX.

[Dark Age 0]

I probably came off like I despised the guy when talking about him, but you're right he's not horrible. He's bad, but not God awful bad.

 

Still, you pretty much said it yourself. He's a little green, but can probably improve. So why are they wanting to rush him into a main event feud now? Why are they wanting to thrwo the guy in at the deep end? Here's an idea. Why not let him get settled into the character before using him as an upper carder. I mean, if Mordecai blows his feud with Eddie then it could seriously hurt him. Why do something that could kill his character before it ever get's started? I have to ask, what is it that made them think Mordecai NEEDED to be on the main roster now? He's really green so leave him in OVW until he get's better. If he doesn't improve, release him. It's not like he's doing anything mind blowing on SD, that couldn't be done by anyone else.

 

SD! still has plenty of options. I know it has been said non stop now, but what is it preventing them from pushing Booker or RVD? What it really be so bad? You would get some good matches out of the thing, a feud the fans care about, and a chance of making a new main eventer, as opposed to a quick fix like JBL or Mordecai. RVD, Book, Cena, Taker, Haas, Rey and Chavo are all much better options than Mordecai, and could easily move into a feud with Eddie. And they would be believable challengers.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

The problem is with RVD and Booker T is that for the last 18 months they've been booked as mid-carders who choke everytime they get a shot at the World Titles.

 

Lately RVD this year has had a useless world tag title reign and nothing else of note until this US Title "feud".

 

Booker T has been a Tag Team attraction since 2002 with occasional single runs for a title feud. Plus his health kinda keeps him down (he had to forfeit the IC Title last year because of his back acting up).

 

RVD is likely to get a shot first, but the writers need to do something to build his credibility up again.

[Mystery Eskimo 0]

Well, from WWE's point of view:

 

Booker- retiring in a year or so, not worth pushing

RVD- generally given up on

Cena- they dont want to do face vs face, or turn either he or Eddie heel

Taker- proven to be a non draw as champ

Rey/Chavo- cruisers, WWE will never allow them to main event a PPV

Haas- a midcard tag team wrestler, not even remotely hoss like

 

So there, thats why they would go with Mordecai. Not saying its right, but thats the logic.

[Dark Age 0]

The problem is with RVD and Booker T is that for the last 18 months they've been booked as mid-carders who choke everytime they get a shot at the World Titles.

And Bradshaw was doing what exactly before his push?

 

All an RVD or a Booker T needs to be taken seriously again is wins. Have Booker beat Taker and Cena in consectuive SD!s, and bingo, he's no. 1 contender. No one will care that he's been damaged goods for so long, all they (marks) will remember is that just recently he beat 2 of the top 3 faces.

 

If Booker is retiring next year, then why not milk him for all he's got? I'm not saying put the belt on him (but I would) just use him to job to Eddie at SummerSlam or something.

 

Chavo is a cruiser, yeah, but he's not far off Eddie's size. Plus, it's an instant feud. A feud that would probably have more heat than any other feud SD! has to offer.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Yeah, this "Book is retiring in a year, so WWE shouldn't push him" reasoning is absurd. Milk him for all he's worth, then use him to put over some new/younger guys on his way out. You make him a jobber now, and having someone new go over him before he retires doesn't mean anything.

[Dark Age 0]

Also, keep in mind Booker has said he's retiring next year now for the last 2 years or so. If he were to be pushed as a main eventer and was taken seriously, I'm sure he would change his mind.