edotherocket 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2004 http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0...255E401,00.html Militants decapitate hostage From correspondents in Baghdad June 23, 2004 ISLAMIST militants beheaded a South Korean hostage overnight, drawing international condemnation and a vow from Seoul to stand firm on its decision to send thousands of troops to the war-torn country. Plea ... Kim Sun-Il begs for his life on this clip shown on Al-Jazeera / TV image Kim Sun-Il's death was reported by the Arab satellite-channel Al-Jazeera, which said it received a videotape of the killing by a group linked to al-Qaeda. The body of translator Kim, 33, was later found by the US military dumped on the road from Baghdad to Fallujah. In a video released by his captors on Sunday, Mr Kim had begged his government to end its involvement in Iraq. "Korean soldiers, please get out of here," he screamed in English. "I don't want to die. I don't want to die. I know that your life is important, but my life is important." The kidnappers gave South Korea 24 hours to meet their demand that Korean forces stay out of Iraq or "we will send you the head of this Korean." The death shocked South Koreans who were hoping for Mr Kim's release after a series of reports said that he was still alive after yesterday's deadline for his execution had expired. Seoul has refused militants' demands to cancel a planned troop deployment to Iraq. Mr Kim's grief-stricken father, mother and other relatives were shown on television weeping and hugging one another in their home in the southern port city of Busan as they learned the news. "Bring back my brother, bring back my brother," wailed younger sister Kim Jong-Sook. His 69-year-old father, Kim Jong-Kyu, and mother, Shin Young-Ja, sobbed and collapsed on the floor and have been admitted to hospital. South Korean President Roh Moo-Hyun apologised to his country today after the beheading of a South Korean hostage in Iraq. But he said Seoul's troop dispatch was needed there to help rebuild the country. "I am very sorry and deeply regretful that this tragedy happened, although all the people and the Government wished and prayed for the safe return of Mr. Kim Sun-Il," Mr Roh said in a brief speech carried live on television. New tactic The beheading is the third in recent weeks blamed on Islamist militants. US engineer Paul Johnson's head was chopped off by extremists in neighbouring Saudi Arabia last week. And 26-year-old American Nicolas Berg, a telecommunications expert, was beheaded in April after going missing in Iraq. Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's group, Tawhid wa al-Jihad (Unification and Holy War), claimed the kidnappings of both Mr Berg and Mr Kim. Washington wants Zarqawi, who has a $US10 million ($14.5m) price on his head, for a long list of attacks in Iraq since the fall of Saddam Hussein, including Thursday's suicide bombing of an army recruiting centre in Baghdad that killed 35 people and wounded 141. At the White House, President George W. Bush said the killing of foreign hostages in Iraq would not deter the US-led coalition there. "In order to impose their vision, they want us to leave. But we will not be intimidated," Mr Bush said. Mr Kim was kidnapped on Thursday near Fallujah along with several other people, according to Kim Choon-Ho, president of the South Korean company for which he worked. Poor guy. Not really sure what we can do about all this. It would be pretty fucked up if this started happening regularly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted June 23, 2004 This thnig will happen regularly. They've decided to abandon any humanity in their campaign. I'm shocked that Al Jazeera wouldn't air it. Either it was unusually barbaric --- or they know that their audience hates Americans and not Koreans and doesn't want a negative impact from this. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 23, 2004 God fucking damnit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edotherocket 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2004 Actually I'll be interested to see the response to this. I do know a lot of people in Australia who blame Bush for the other beheadings (?!!) but they can't really do that with this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted June 23, 2004 Actually I'll be interested to see the response to this. I do know a lot of people in Australia who blame Bush for the other beheadings (?!!) but they can't really do that with this one. They'll blame him regardless --- instead of blaming the monkeys who did this. Yes, I called them monkeys folks. Let's resume the bitch-fest. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 23, 2004 Actually I'll be interested to see the response to this. I do know a lot of people in Australia who blame Bush for the other beheadings (?!!) but they can't really do that with this one. They'll blame him. I have no clue how you can even associate the two, but hell, they've shocked me before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2004 I guess you could make the argument that they wouldn't have troops in Iraq if not for Bush. It's grasping at straws, obviously, but some will make that connection. I'm sure they just would have let the guy go, too, if they decided pull their troops... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 23, 2004 I'm sure they just would have let the guy go, too, if they decided pull their troops... Of course. What have these people ever gone that would cause us to doubt their integrity? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2004 Actually I'll be interested to see the response to this. I do know a lot of people in Australia who blame Bush for the other beheadings (?!!) but they can't really do that with this one. They'll blame him regardless --- instead of blaming the monkeys who did this. Yes, I called them monkeys folks. Let's resume the bitch-fest. -=Mike That word again. Well, we're just going to have to ignore the topic of this thead to fill up about four pages or so with serious rebukes of your bigoted behavior. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tom 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2004 The Napalm pits are looking more attractive by the minute... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 23, 2004 The Napalm pits are looking more attractive by the minute... They always were. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2004 The Napalm pits are looking more attractive by the minute... They always were. I still feel that the old method attributed to "Blackjack" Pershing is better... Get about 10 of these fuckers, cover them in pig's blood, kill 9 of them, then let the last one go to tell his buddies what we'll do to them if we catch them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dogbert 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2004 I think that the Americans have been FAR too nice over in the Middle East during this war. It's time to get to kicking some serious ass, because it's obvious now that we aren't dealing with human beings; we're dealing with animals. Animals who cannot be reasoned with, and who will not be reasoned with. Animals that can only be stopped if the United States of America gets pissed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted June 23, 2004 Yes. Kill everyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2004 I think the biggest problem was at one point it appeared that South Korea was getting ready to apply their Chap-Stick and kiss up to the Saudis to find this guy. You cannot respond to these threats. All you will do is make kidnappings more common and things will get worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2004 Going for the 'Kill them all' route against an enemy that is convinced that their death is desirable (to be a "Martyr") probably isn't the best route. Then again, in Iraq and Saudi Arabia, there's steps that can be taken to prevent kidnappings. I'm not totally sure, but traveling in groups instead of traveling alone would be good. Also, if plausible, carrying some sort of weapon for self-defense purposes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crazy Dan Report post Posted June 23, 2004 I may have been against going to war in Iraq, but I do not blame Bush for this unfortunate murder. Al Queda is a danger to the world, and they have shown that they are not discriminating who they kill, as no one whose country is supporting the war is safe. I do feel that Iraq is still a very dangerous place. And it could use more troops to help calm the caos, and also help protect those who are crazy enough to try to make a living there. But I do understand that it will take some pretty drastic means to bring down Al Queda, so what ever means are used, I won't raise too much of a word. I just hope that we didn't lose focus on the group who we did know had, if not all, most to do with all the terrorist attacks on the US, by attacking Iraq. Time will tell, but I am still pulling for our men, and all the other soldiers stationed over there to come back home alive. But this just shows me that we still have long way to go in the war on Terror, and that it might be time to start allowing more countries in to help with this mess that is the country called Iraq. Right now our forces aren't big enough to contain Iraq, which would explain the impouring of terrorists into the country. I feel that additional forces would A)Give much needed back up to our overworked troops B) Help bring in the soldiers who are more adept to policing activities C) And help the USA, as with more countries involved in Iraq, also helps hurt a terrorist recruiting tool which accuses the USA as being a Christian-Occupying-Force. For example, if a muslim country such as Turkey was allowed to help, then a Muslim Country is involved, and this kills that nasty stigma that the Muslim World views us with. Also, I believe that this would hurt terrorist recruiting as well. And if Suadi Arabia and other of our so-called allies actually put a clamp on all the jihadist schools that are breading hatred of Non-Muslims, then this would also benefit all. What this beheading shows me is that Al Queda is still alive and kicking. The way they have beheaded many innocent people, makes me sick. And I feel that the deserve no mercy. I know killing innocent people are wrong and it is not ok if a US missle accidently hits a wrong target, killing innocents. But at least the US did not do it with that intention, I hope. Al Queda does target innocents, and worse they do it the name of Allah. And regardless if you are for or against the war in Iraq, I hope that we all can agree that terrorists need to be dealt with. I am all for peacefull means to and end. I think the Palestinians would best to follow this, but terrorists only believe that violence is the way to get their way and solve their problems. And since they believe they are doing God's work this is a very deadly mix. So however they are dealt with, I hope that it can put an end to this problem in the world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2004 I think the most unfortunate effect is that the more this happens, the less we'll react to it and the more we'll grow to expect it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2004 I think the most unfortunate effect is that the more this happens, the less we'll react to it and the more we'll grow to expect it. Bending to them is the worst thing that you can do. You'll make everyone even less safe if you spread the idea that all anyone has to do to change policy is kidnap a few people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cerebus Report post Posted June 23, 2004 This isn't aimed at governments. I mean, it would be nice if the governments acquiesed but Al Queda doesn't really expect it. Thier MO is to frighten people from coming to Iraq. Notice that none of the occupation of the three victims (Nick Berg, Paul Johnson, Kim Sun-il) were military or intelligence. They were civillian conratcors who are trying to rebuild Iraq (including a destroyed pipeline that is hurting Iraqi recovery). If they can frighten civillians from coming to Iraq they can make sure it takes that much longer for Iraq to get back on its feet. The longer that takes, of course, the bigger pain in the ass it is for Bush. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2004 Going for the 'Kill them all' route against an enemy that is convinced that their death is desirable (to be a "Martyr") probably isn't the best route. Then again, in Iraq and Saudi Arabia, there's steps that can be taken to prevent kidnappings. I'm not totally sure, but traveling in groups instead of traveling alone would be good. Also, if plausible, carrying some sort of weapon for self-defense purposes. Remember too, that apparently there has been security breaches in the Johnson case in Saudi Arabia, where sympathizers in Saudi security forces gave them access to were contractors may be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted June 23, 2004 Well, there's the option of pulling everything out. Everyone does it. Just let the region fall into chaos without any kind of structure. And don't act like some stunning world leader is going to emerge and pull that place together. Even if one did, he'd either be a puppet or he'd be beheaded as soon as they heard about him. Let them figure out the hard way that we're at least trying to help them get back on their feet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2004 Well, there's the option of pulling everything out. Everyone does it. Just let the region fall into chaos without any kind of structure. And don't act like some stunning world leader is going to emerge and pull that place together. Even if one did, he'd either be a puppet or he'd be beheaded as soon as they heard about him. Let them figure out the hard way that we're at least trying to help them get back on their feet. woudn't be the first time we did that either........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BDC Report post Posted June 23, 2004 I have to wonder... Would these really continue if all media outlets QUIT broadcasting about this kind of stuff? Let's say they take another hostage but no media outlet covers it. Let's say they don't talk about someone being kidnapped. Wouldn't that remove all the power of the situation? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2004 I have to wonder... Would these really continue if all media outlets QUIT broadcasting about this kind of stuff? Let's say they take another hostage but no media outlet covers it. Let's say they don't talk about someone being kidnapped. Wouldn't that remove all the power of the situation? Yes. And no. Yes, it MAY but no you cannot do it. It would look like you only care about certain races of people. Or it makes them think, "we gotta grab someone high profile" and you open an entirely worse situation. The only way to stop them is to kill the people responsible. Only don't say you killed them. Send in a special ops team, kill the bastards only make it sound like you lost them and cannot find them. Then they are dead and they aren't matyrs or whatever they want to be. Don't capture them, find them and kill them and say you never found them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2004 No one is safe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CheesalaIsGood 0 Report post Posted June 24, 2004 Not being a Bush supporter myself, nor of King George the First. I did support Bush Sr. in pulling out when he did back in the 90s. In those days, the idea was "If we didn't go home we'd still there 20 years later". This is a sinking ship. Never ever should this war have started because their IS no plan that will work to acheive the goals set forth by the American Govt. You can kill them over and over and they will still keep coming back. I can't look past the ages of some young palistinian boys I saw throwing rocks at soldiers in Isreal. Generation after generation they will grow up be killed and do a shitload of damage before they are. I find almost nothing to admire or envy about the people who live in the Middle East. I do know however, that the fanatics over there have an iron will that just will not be broken no matter how much money we spend on high tech toys. They have "GOD" on their side you see. Sigh. I saw the video on-line of the Korean guy begging for his life and then being killed. This IS going to keep happening. I also see that there are no answers that are acceptable to me. I always used to think we could buy them off if we fed them, but I doubt it now. So for myself I'll keep on doing as I have always done. Stay atheist. Stay out of the Middle East. Try and be ready should I encounter any of the maniacs on either side of the fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DubWiser Report post Posted June 24, 2004 They have "GOD" on their side you see. Sigh. No doubt...they're fucking nuts. At least we can be confident that our leaders are completely rational and about as far away from fanatics as you can ge... Bush said to James Robinson: 'I feel like God wants me to run for President." "Why is this man in the White House? The majority of Americans did not vote for him. He's in the White House because God put him there for a time such as this.” "We in the army of God, in the house of God, kingdom of God have been raised for such a time as this," "I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol." Pointing to an unnatural-looking dark streak in the sky, he said, "Ladies and gentlemen, this is your enemy. It is the principalities of darkness. It is a demonic presence in that city that God revealed to me as the enemy.” The enemy will only be defeated, according to General Boykin, "if we come against them in the name of Jesus." ...nevermind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted June 24, 2004 They have "GOD" on their side you see. Sigh. No doubt...they're fucking nuts. At least we can be confident that our leaders are completely rational and about as far away from fanatics as you can ge... Bush said to James Robinson: 'I feel like God wants me to run for President." "Why is this man in the White House? The majority of Americans did not vote for him. He's in the White House because God put him there for a time such as this.” "We in the army of God, in the house of God, kingdom of God have been raised for such a time as this," "I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol." Pointing to an unnatural-looking dark streak in the sky, he said, "Ladies and gentlemen, this is your enemy. It is the principalities of darkness. It is a demonic presence in that city that God revealed to me as the enemy.” The enemy will only be defeated, according to General Boykin, "if we come against them in the name of Jesus." ...nevermind. Yup, because poorly-written attempts at sarcasm are the sameas people blowing themselves up and lopping off heads. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted June 24, 2004 Of course not, but religious fundamentalism is the core of this problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
