Proof that talent counts for nothing this company

Jobber of the Week · June 23, 2004

Kidman is healed up, but his skills have degenerated to the point where the one thing he had to get crowd response, the Shooting Star, seems impossible for him to pull off.

What? He did a nice one to the floor at WM.

However, even when he was any good, WWE still pushed him over the most talented, more charistmatic Noble

Noble needs some speaking help. His southern accent is so thick that he's pigeonholed himself into Angry Redneck territory.

The day that they take everyone's suggestion to do something with Paul London is probably the same day they take my suggestion to make Moore the new J.Hardy silent bumpmachine who gets big pops for killing himself.

AndrewTS · June 23, 2004

Kidman is healed up, but his skills have degenerated to the point where the one thing he had to get crowd response, the Shooting Star, seems impossible for him to pull off.

What? He did a nice one to the floor at WM.

If by "nice" you mean "nearly killed himself."

Downhome · June 23, 2004

I was going to say that also, but I assumed that JotW was being sarcastic.

stahl · June 23, 2004

What? He did a nice one to the floor at WM

In case he's not being sarcastic.. he nearly killed himself and bumped heads I do believe with someone else, he also didn't get proper rotation.

Kidman has one of the worst shooting stars I have ever seen, it pales in comparisons to Londons.

As for this topic, I think London has way more charisma then Malenko ever did and he is far from a spot monkey. His match with Dragon at Epic Encounter is still praised today. I don't mind the guy being used as a lower card but what I don't get, since smackdown is so thin right now, why don't they just use some of the guys like London in normal cruiser matches on smackdown to help fill up the show and promote more of the roster? hell, the cruiserweight division doesn't need stupid angles like Jaqueline and stuff like that to get over, what sets it apart from everything else, is what the WWE seems to be forgetting.... the wrestling.

haVoc · June 23, 2004

Yeah, the shooting star press should really be banned from Wrestlemania.

June 24, 2004

June 24, 2004

Are you just going to post stupid images without explanation for the next TWOOOO days?

June 24, 2004

That video needs no explanation.

DangerousDamon · June 24, 2004

I'm sure when Paul London cashes his check every week he realizes it was the right thing to do. Seriously he's probably making WAY more money right now than he has ever had in his career and he is wrestling less matches.

June 24, 2004

Yea, screw being respected as an artist.

evilhomer · June 24, 2004

That video needs no explanation.

Yeah it does.

This reminds me so much of the Lance Storm arguments. Who is really at fault, the company for not using the talents and hiding the flaws, or the worker for not adapting his style to the way the company is using him? Given the WWE's history, London knew what he was getting into when he signed. The WWE style consistently uses wrestlers this way, the same match formula with a few signature moves/spots to show a slight difference. Expecting more than that, especially when he's a cruiserweight would be foolish.

Art Sandusky · June 24, 2004

Yea, screw being respected as an artist.

I hate this argument. I'm sure he and his family (if he has one, I don't know) can't stand being financially secure.

Kahran Ramsus · June 24, 2004

Jamie Noble is the most wasted talent in WWE right now. He can talk, he's the best CW wrestler they have outside of Rey Rey, he's over, and he has a more ground-based style that you think would make him more popular with the bookers than other guys his size.

I would like to say that London was dead in the water after the more charismatic Spanky left, but they weren't pushing that team anyways. London should be a CW Title contender, or in the tag division, I can't see him ever doing any more than that. He's a good wrestler and all, but he's very bland. He is not as charismatic as Rey Rey or Chavo.

EdwardKnoxII · June 24, 2004

I'm sure when Paul London cashes his check every week he realizes it was the right thing to do. Seriously he's probably making WAY more money right now than he has ever had in his career and he is wrestling less matches.

I think we have gone over this a hundred times. If the WWE paid so much more the indies then someone like Spanky wouldn't have left. But, there was more then just money for him leaving.

I mean look at were Paul London is. He sometimes wrestles on the C-show (SD is the B show) and is a very low carder so I doubt that he is getting paid that much compared to working indy dates. If he was upper midcarder and WWE was selling shirts, etc with his likeness on it then I could see your point. And hell people like Raven said he is making just as much if not more then when he was with WWE.

I hate how people act as if the WWE is really the only game in town and if you're not working for them you're break and not making any money.

evilhomer · June 24, 2004

The difference is guaranteed money. Some people like the idea of a steady job, not having to worry about finding work next week. If you get a decent steady paycheque with the WWE, then that more than makes up for the uncertianty of the additional 10-20% that could be made on the indy circuit.

But yeah, it's not as if they go hungry if the WWE doesn't pick them up. Good workers will always work if they're willing to look for it.

June 24, 2004

London to most fans in the arena during Smackdown shows is basically invisible, they have no idea who he is or what he can do. And since Vince likes Big guys and raw better then SD there's no chance London will ever be used like he should be, so get over it. If you want to see London at his best watch old ROH videos or something.

EdwardKnoxII · June 24, 2004

The difference is guaranteed money. Some people like the idea of a steady job, not having to worry about finding work next week. If you get a decent steady paycheque with the WWE, then that more than makes up for the uncertianty of the additional 10-20% that could be made on the indy circuit.

But yeah, it's not as if they go hungry if the WWE doesn't pick them up. Good workers will always work if they're willing to look for it.

Question. But, don't alot of your bigger indy feds offer contracts nowadays like ROH, CZW, etc. I know TNA does. Or were you talking about something else?

June 24, 2004

No indy fed can offer GUARANTEED money. If they offer a contract, it will be for a certain ammount of money per show. Whereas WWE can guarantee X-ammount of $ per year.

thecitythesky · June 24, 2004

I think we have gone over this a hundred times. If the WWE paid so much more the indies then someone like Spanky wouldn't have left. But, there was more then just money for him leaving.

I mean look at were Paul London is. He sometimes wrestles on the C-show (SD is the B show) and is a very low carder so I doubt that he is getting paid that much compared to working indy dates. If he was upper midcarder and WWE was selling shirts, etc with his likeness on it then I could see your point. And hell people like Raven said he is making just as much if not more then when he was with WWE.

I hate how people act as if the WWE is really the only game in town and if you're not working for them you're break and not making any money.

the problem with this is that Spanky had a ready made shot in Japan. Which is more than likely where he would be making most of his money. That and the people love him over there. And in Japan, he also wouldn't have to absorb incidental expenses.

London doesn't have that waiting for him the instant he would walk out. He'd be in the US indies where, outside of RoH, he wasn't really that big of a deal. He could've had a huge shot after winning the Super 8. Although, he was already working for Vince at that point. Admittedly, if he were to leave, he could probably slide over to TNA. But really, that's not going to be a whole lot of money in the bank either.

And the reason that Raven can make more money working in the indies is that his trans and lodging gets paid. London, like most indy guys, wouldn't get that from every promoter. He'd be paying his own gas and hotel (if necessary). So the Raven thing isn't really the same. Raven also makes a shit-ton more per booking that London probably ever will on the indies.

Question. But, don't alot of your bigger indy feds offer contracts nowadays like ROH, CZW, etc. I know TNA does. Or were you talking about something else?

No. No they don't. That's what makes them indy feds.

June 24, 2004

Wrong. TNA has contracts.

King Cucaracha · June 24, 2004

To be honest, the only London interview I've seen was the pre-First Anniversary Show, in which he looked and sounded very nervous and stumbled on his words more than Randy Orton used to.

I'm sure he's done better since. But as the only time I've seen him talk, I wasn't impressed.

Sure he's a great wrestler. But again, the WWE isn't ROH.

June 24, 2004

Wrong. TNA has contracts.

But, there is no guaranteed money. If you don't work a date, you don't get paid.

June 24, 2004

Sure he's a great wrestler. But again, the WWE isn't ROH.

this is basically it right here.

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