Official Spiderman 2 Thread

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Some interesting words from Dunst regarding the upcoming films. Source is some random Australian press thingy.

 

credit: www.aintitcoolnews.com

 

 

Dunst Interview

 

"The next one will be it. I'm only contracted to 3 and don't see myself signing for a 4th or a 5th," says Dunst, emphatically. Asked if she would love to see her Mary Jane character killed off in Spider-Man 3, Dunst laughs. "It would actually be really interesting if SPIDER-MAN died. Why doesn't the superhero ever die? I think if Mary Jane was alone, pregnant and he died, she could give birth to a spider baby and carry on the series with another young boy or something like that. I doubt Tobey Maguire would come back for a 4th or a 5th either."

[Guest SP-1]

I'm pretty sure Tobey has already signed for 4, but I could be wrong on that. While I like Dunst in the role, if she's replaced I'm confident that Raimi would choose a replacement well.

[The Mandarin 0]

Y'know, Topher Grace (Eric on That 70's Show) wouldn't be that bad of a Spiderman. Laura Prepon (Donna) could probably do Mary Jane well too.

[Guest SP-1]

While interesting, I'm not sure audiences could accept the duo doing a film together not in those roles.

 

Let me rephrase. Audiences en masse. Enough to make noise and perhaps hurt the film. Smart people should be fine with it.

[Guest SpiderFan]

I'm pretty sure Tobey has already signed for 4, but I could be wrong on that. While I like Dunst in the role, if she's replaced I'm confident that Raimi would choose a replacement well.

I'm pretty sure I've heard Tobey say he loves playing the part, and as long as Sam is back, he'll be back.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

The problem apparently right now is that Marvel and the studio have talked about making 4,5 and 6 The Venom Saga but Raimi has said that he won't do it. Why he wouldn't do it is beyond me because that is the money matchup for the series.

[Sass 0]

The problem apparently right now is that Marvel and the studio have talked about making 4,5 and 6 The Venom Saga but Raimi has said that he won't do it. Why he wouldn't do it is beyond me because that is the money matchup for the series.

Because he probably wants to save the *money* match-up for when the series is in need of cash. It currently doesn't have this problem.

[Guest SpiderFan]

The problem apparently right now is that Marvel and the studio have talked about making 4,5 and 6 The Venom Saga but Raimi has said that he won't do it. Why he wouldn't do it is beyond me because that is the money matchup for the series.

Because he probably wants to save the *money* match-up for when the series is in need of cash. It currently doesn't have this problem.

And because he prefers the classic 60's villians.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Bring on Felicia Hardy for Spider-Man 4!

[Angle-plex 0]

What is so important that Kristen Dunst has going on that she wouldn't do Spiderman 4? Bring It On 2? Please. If they pay her enough, she'll be back. If she turns the role down, she's making a huge mistake.

[Guest SP-1]

I think Raimi wants to tell good character stories, and Venom is just slightly outside of that realm, cinematically speaking. Pulling Venom off, within the established style and boundaries of the film universe, would probably prove rather tricky.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I think Raimi wants to tell good character stories, and Venom is just slightly outside of that realm, cinematically speaking. Pulling Venom off, within the established style and boundaries of the film universe, would probably prove rather tricky.

I'd actually rather Raimi do Venom at this point than anyone else. He's a horror film director first and foremost, and Venom is very much a horror movie character.

[DangerousDamon 0]

What is so important that Kristen Dunst has going on that she wouldn't do Spiderman 4? Bring It On 2? Please. If they pay her enough, she'll be back. If she turns the role down, she's making a huge mistake.

They already made a Bring it on 2.

[Guest JMA]

I like Venom, but I honestly don't think he'd translate well to the film medium. I'm glad Raimi is sticking to the classic villains for now.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I like Venom, but I honestly don't think he'd translate well to the film medium. I'm glad Raimi is sticking to the classic villains for now.

Most of the classic villains couldn't carry a film. Venom could.

 

Plus, T-1000 worked, so why couldn't Venom?

[Guest JMA]

I like Venom, but I honestly don't think he'd translate well to the film medium. I'm glad Raimi is sticking to the classic villains for now.

Most of the classic villains couldn't carry a film. Venom could.

 

Plus, T-1000 worked, so why couldn't Venom?

I just don't think an ALIEN symbiote would work well in a Spider-Man movie. The two movies so far have focused on mostly the human aspects of Spider-Man -- an alien would seem out of place in my view. They could always do Venom the way they did in Ultimate Spider-Man, but I just don't see it working well.

 

There's already been talk of doing a Venom movie that isn't even associated with Spider-Man. I'm not sure how I'd feel about that.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

I'm with Zsasz. In today's age of ultra slick technology, creating and pulling off a Venom character, at least visually,would be a breeze. All you'd need is what Williem Defoe (sp) was to Green Goblin for the role.

 

Besides, the action scenes from Spidey 2 are clearly more violent than those seen in the previous film, so why not go all out and make Venom as murderous as he needs to be.

 

UYI

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Visually, Venom would be a cinch to pull off. Character-wise is the issue. Let's face it, Venom hardly has the depth of Green Goblin, Doc Ock, or even Lizard.

[Guest JMA]

Visually, Venom would be a cinch to pull off. Character-wise is the issue. Let's face it, Venom hardly has the depth of Green Goblin, Doc Ock, or even Lizard.

I agree with this. Don't get me wrong, I love Venom (at least when he's written good); but there other characters to use before him: the Green Goblin II, the Lizard, and the Scorpion should all appear before Venom. Carnage shouldn't appear at all.

[Masked Man of Mystery 0]

I personally can't get over the fact that the same person who dubbed Kiki in Kiki's Delivery Service is Mary Jane, but that's me, and I saw Kiki only a few years ago. Enough of that, I liked the movie, but there were a few scenes where the CG was EXTREMELY obvious and I don't recall seeing any that were quite as blatant(I'm talking things other than Spiderman) Maybe it's just I'm a person who isn't cazy about CG and so I look for it more, but whatever. Only other thing was I thought the inspiration for Doc Ock to become evil was WEAK. They're metal arms, for heaven's sake! Otherwise, quite good, I thought Harry was MUCH better, although I mostly noticed him in the first one seeming very wooden when he declared his desire for revenge in the graveyard. Put me in as someone who liked Daredevil(although it was very definately flawed), but I like the Spiderman much more. By the way, is it just me, or do people just not understand Spiderman? There were little kids in the theater where I saw it. Too many people I think see SPiderman and just expect the old cartoon or something, but Spiderman is so much more, and I can easily see little kids getting very scared by these movies, and they had the volume jacked up too high in my theater, which I wasn't crazy about either.

[Guest Smues]

She was the voice of Kiki? Wow I had no idea. I remembed Phil Hartman was the cat but I didn't know that. I guess my attempts to erase that film from my memory have been successful.

[pochorenella 0]

I've been following the daily box-office for the movie and I feel that the movie won't break $400 million. Shrek 2 (currently at $420 million) didn't open as huge on Wednesday and Thursday, but then it has smoked SM2 every day since, with very short drops (25-30% every week). Of course, Shrek benefitted from opening on May and SM2 on June/July (May's the best box-office wise.) Actually, I saw this sign when SM2 dropped 49% on its second weekend. Not bad, but not that great either.

 

Anybody else notice this, or am I just crazy?

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Oh no, it won't break $400 million?

 

Off to the poorhouse for Spidey...

[Garth 0]

I really enjoyed the movie. Enjoyed it way more than Spidy 1 even thoguh I was really into that one anyways.

 

Not sure how it rates compared to X2 as I haven't seen that in so long as almost as soon as i got it on DVD i leant it out and haven't seen it since.

 

Kirsten Dunst wasn't too bad in it, its funny as I don't really consider her anything special yet shes appeared in my 2 favorite movies of the year thus far.

 

I thought Doctor Octopus was a good bad guy as he was convincing to me. This was because no matter how wrong any of his actions were he believed them to be completely justified. Thought he could of been utilized a bit better but thats the only thing that I wasn't so keen on about the movie.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I like Venom, but I honestly don't think he'd translate well to the film medium. I'm glad Raimi is sticking to the classic villains for now.

Most of the classic villains couldn't carry a film. Venom could.

 

Plus, T-1000 worked, so why couldn't Venom?

I just don't think an ALIEN symbiote would work well in a Spider-Man movie. The two movies so far have focused on mostly the human aspects of Spider-Man -- an alien would seem out of place in my view. They could always do Venom the way they did in Ultimate Spider-Man, but I just don't see it working well.

 

There's already been talk of doing a Venom movie that isn't even associated with Spider-Man. I'm not sure how I'd feel about that.

The arms/Octavius dynamic is the same thing as the Venom dynamic, so cinematically and character wise it works.

 

Besides, neither of the villains in the Spider-Man films were really "deep" guys. They were dumbed down Victorian horror protagonists.

 

Here's the equation for successful Venom story in SM4:

 

ESTABLISH THAT VENOM HATES SPIDER-MAN + ESTABLISH THAT SPIDER-MAN HATES VENOM + MARY JANE'S NIPPLES = RECORD BREAKING BOX OFFICE GROSS.

[Guest JMA]

The arms/Octavius dynamic is the same thing as the Venom dynamic, so cinematically and character wise it works.

I too noticed the symbiotic relationship Octavius had with his mechanical arms. This makes me think Raimi won't do the whole symbiosis thing again -- he's already done it.

 

Besides, neither of the villains in the Spider-Man films were really "deep" guys. They were dumbed down Victorian horror protagonists.

Eh, I don't they "dumbed down" that much. The thing I really liked about them was that the movie wasn't focused on them; it was focused on Spider-Man. With Venom (just like in the comics), he'll take away the focus from Spider-Man.

 

Here's the equation for successful Venom story in SM4:

 

ESTABLISH THAT VENOM HATES SPIDER-MAN + ESTABLISH THAT SPIDER-MAN HATES VENOM + MARY JANE'S NIPPLES = RECORD BREAKING BOX OFFICE GROSS.

You also have to go through the symbiote coming to Earth; Spider-Man wearing it as a costume; the separation of the two; the bonding with Eddie Brock; and the big fight. Clearly, it would take two movies to establish all this. Venom, to me, is one of those characters who works much better in the comics medium.

 

As long as we get the Green Goblin II, the Lizard, and the Scorpion, I'll be happy.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

The arms/Octavius dynamic is the same thing as the Venom dynamic, so cinematically and character wise it works.

I too noticed the symbiotic relationship Octavius had with his mechanical arms. This makes me think Raimi won't do the whole symbiosis thing again -- he's already done it.

 

Besides, neither of the villains in the Spider-Man films were really "deep" guys. They were dumbed down Victorian horror protagonists.

Eh, I don't they "dumbed down" that much. The thing I really liked about them was that the movie wasn't focused on them; it was focused on Spider-Man. With Venom (just like in the comics), he'll take away the focus from Spider-Man.

 

Here's the equation for successful Venom story in SM4:

 

ESTABLISH THAT VENOM HATES SPIDER-MAN + ESTABLISH THAT SPIDER-MAN HATES VENOM + MARY JANE'S NIPPLES = RECORD BREAKING BOX OFFICE GROSS.

You also have to go through the symbiote coming to Earth; Spider-Man wearing it as a costume; the separation of the two; the bonding with Eddie Brock; and the big fight. Clearly, it would take two movies to establish all this. Venom, to me, is one of those characters who works much better in the comics medium.

 

As long as we get the Green Goblin II, the Lizard, and the Scorpion, I'll be happy.

You can alter the backstory to make it work. They've done it before.

 

Stop making excuses why it can't work and just amdit that it COULD work on screen.

[Guest TheJewof2001]

He did say it could work on screen, but it would have to be done in two films.

[Guest SP-1]

I don't think he's going to agree that it could work. I won't until I see it happen and see it work. Venom is such a departure from the other villains and so different from the established visual and cinematic style of the Spidey universe that it would be difficult to adapt and retain the core of the character.

[art_vandelay 0]

Finally saw the movie tonight. I loved it, great story, fight scenes, etc. etc. You've all heard it before. Only thing I'd like to comment on is the Venom debate.

 

I traced the links of the Spider-Man parody comic strips in the previous page of this thread to the parent site http://www.newcomicreviews.com/, and came across a detailed analysis of the Spider-Man Clone Saga which I've really enjoyed reading thus far. The analysis is lined with brief commentaries by one of the editors of Spider-Man during the time of the Clone saga, and something he wrote in his comments really expressed how I feel about introducing a character like Venom into the film series:

 

[ GLENN'S COMMENTS : And so Judas Traveller returns once again. As Ben Reilly points out in this story, Traveller seems even more powerful than before, and how the current crop of super-baddies are a far cry from guys like Mysterio and the Shocker. In my opinion, this wasn't necessarily a good thing. I always preferred a more street-level, realistic Spider-Man, as depicted in the stories by Stan Lee, Steve Ditko, and John Romita Sr. I had been feeling for quite a while - before I even started working at Marvel - that Spider-Man was being pushed in a direction that took him away from his simple roots, and I was hoping that would change in the new regime. For example, I knew how popular characters like Venom and Carnage were , but I didn't really like them from the start, because I felt that they were too "far out" for Spider-Man. With rare exceptions , Spider-Man shouldn't really be dealing with alien life forms or supernatural weirdness or epic "save the entire world" scenarios. I felt that Spider-Man stories, above all else, have to be aboutpeople, and that was getting lost amidst all the stuff that was going on with the character.

 

I understand that though he's perhaps the most favoured villain fans want to see adapted onto the screen, I forsee a symbiote storyline easily coming off as being incredibly ridiculous to mainstream audiences and more importantly, film critics.