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[HarleyQuinn 0]

I wanted to propose another bench spot for Defense/ST's. I figure, if there will be 16 teams then each team can get 2 Def/ST's and the bench D can be used to cover the bye week for your weekly starter.

 

Anybody agree? disagree?

[Lightning Flik 0]

I have no idea what's going on with half the yahoo rankings. Some guys are ranked insanely high, some very very low. It's really bizarre. I'm used to the mock drafts over at sportingnews.com, and the drafts all seem to go the same way; it's interesting seeing people with different ideas like Flik.

Yeah, all rankings are quite weird. However, if you go by the Fan Pts in Yahoo, you get a better preception of who you should draft (as Fans, apparently have a better lookout on who will do good, then everyone else).

 

And what the hell do you mean "different ideas like Flik"? If you mean my thinking on how the draft should go, then I still stand by what I say. I should expect to see most of the first round and second round to be RBs being taken. Since there aren't a lot of "stud" (as HarleyQuinn put it) RBs in the league, it'd only make sense that they go first. There are quite a few good QBs, and frankly, I see them actually 3rd-5th rounds, depending on if you want a good WR core and then a decent QB that should be available in the 5th round. Honestly, the kicker and defense picking shouldn't come till the last few rounds as you really should address your offense needs first since most time they'll get you the most points.

 

I wanted to propose another bench spot for Defense/ST's. I figure, if there will be 16 teams then each team can get 2 Def/ST's and the bench D can be used to cover the bye week for your weekly starter.

 

Anybody agree? disagree?

Actually, I agree, but I'll wait on other people's opinions on this before adding one more bench.

 

However since no one disagreed on this, here's the Magic Draft Hat results if we've only got 14 teams (you've got till 5pm MDT, 7pm EDT, today to sign up with us, after that I'm closing registration for the Yahoo League).

 

MAGIC DRAFT HAT RESULTS

 

01) Foreign Objects

02) The Injuried Prone

03) Pawtucket Patriots

04) SmootCriminal

05) Crimson Storm

06) Gotham Harlequinns

07) Gridiron Lunatics

08) Randy Orton

*

09) Presented By BankOne

10) Agent Bond34

11) Darkside Dominators

~

12) Gibbs Disciples

13) Total Burnosity

14) Michaels Mark

 

If we aquire two more teams, first team to join will be placed where the * is, the second team to join will be placed where the ~ is. If not, then it'll be just like it is right now.

[the pinjockey 0]

In the Yahoo league as Serenity.

[Lightning Flik 0]

Thanks Pinjockey for filling the void.

 

CURRENT DRAFT ORDER

 

01) Foreign Objects

02) The Injuried Prone

03) Pawtucket Patriots

04) SmootCriminal

05) Crimson Storm

06) Gotham Harlequinns

07) Gridiron Lunatics

08) Randy Orton

09) Serentiy

10) Presented By BankOne

11) Agent Bond34

12) Darkside Dominators

~

13) Gibbs Disciples

14) Total Burnosity

15) Michaels Mark

[the pinjockey 0]

Well without me someone else would have to lose in the championship game. I feel I have filled that role well and don't want to give it up yet.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

And what the hell do you mean "different ideas like Flik"? If you mean my thinking on how the draft should go, then I still stand by what I say. I should expect to see most of the first round and second round to be RBs being taken. Since there aren't a lot of "stud" (as HarleyQuinn put it) RBs in the league, it'd only make sense that they go first. There are quite a few good QBs, and frankly, I see them actually 3rd-5th rounds, depending on if you want a good WR core and then a decent QB that should be available in the 5th round. Honestly, the kicker and defense picking shouldn't come till the last few rounds as you really should address your offense needs first since most time they'll get you the most points.

Earlier in the thread, you said you saw the QBs going in the first three rounds, and Peyton Manning/Jamal Lewis going 1-2. I didn't mean it as a knock against you or anything, everyone has a different draft strategy, and it's cool seeing new ones.

[Dr. Tom 0]

Flik, the new points structure is much better. I'd add that kickers should get a point for PATs, since every league has that. Defensive touchdowns should be worth 6 points (they're listed as "+ points"). I also think the threshold for negative points on defense should be around 24, which is usually around the league average for points allowed.

[razazteca 0]

As the #2 spot in the yahoo league I know who I want and it will be no surprise. I think there are about maybe 5 Must Have players at every position which are usually the players that everyone knows by 1st name or get overhyped on ESPN. Once they are picked its going to be hell trying to pick the sleepers from the overrated losers such in the case of Frank Sanders who for whatever reason is rated very high every year in Yahoo.

 

I'm going to take the highest player available as my 1st round pick then 2nd and 3rd its going to be personal favorites then 4th and 5th would be position players maybe TE in the 6th and kicker 7th then its bench players.

 

Well without me someone else would have to lose in the championship game. I feel I have filled that role well and don't want to give it up yet.

I'll be more than happy to lose to you in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

[Dangerous A 0]

Damn, once the 16th team gets on board I'm drafting 14th overall.

 

Better get my draft game and research on! Good news is I'll be picking early in the second round, so hopefully I can still get some studs.

[Dangerous A 0]

BTW, it's no secret about the top two picks. You aren't going to go wrong with either Holmes or Tomlinson. They are the cream of the crop, the next 5 guys are damn good too, but Holmes and Tomlinson are the top guys.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Ok, I have a question for you guys.

 

Priest Holmes is going to be a salary cap casulty to me after this season so I'm looking to trade him off. Ricky Williams, Clinton Portis, LT and Randy Moss are all in the same boat. So who would you try and trade for.

 

My other two keepers are Matt Hasselbeck and Chad Johnson but I can still hang onto them for another season.

[razazteca 0]

Dump Portis for no reason other than pure hatred for the Redskins and try to get a QB. Try to get a QB that stays in the pocket and is not a runner like McNabb, Culpepper, or Vick.

[the pinjockey 0]

I am going to assume, the way you phrased that, that the other teams are looking to dump those players as you are looking to dump Holmes. If that is the case, try to get LT out of that group.

[razazteca 0]

I think you have to get either a RB or QB in return as the only WR that I would trade Holmes for would be Harrison. From that list LT and Williams are the best.

[Dangerous A 0]

Ok, I have a question for you guys.

 

Priest Holmes is going to be a salary cap casulty to me after this season so I'm looking to trade him off. Ricky Williams, Clinton Portis, LT and Randy Moss are all in the same boat. So who would you try and trade for.

 

My other two keepers are Matt Hasselbeck and Chad Johnson but I can still hang onto them for another season.

Hasselbeck will put up strong numbers again this season, so you don't need a new quarterback unless Manning or Culpepper become available.

 

LT, Portis (despite the silliness of razazteca), Williams, and Moss are the order of value from highest to lowest that I'd put the guys you list. LT is probrably going to cost near Holmes anyway. Portis is going to get carries in Wash.,but is a bit of an injury risk because he loves contact, but isn't necessarily built for all of it. Williams is sliding and the O line in Miami has much to be desired. On any given game day, Moss can be as devastating as a top flight RB. He's done wonders for me, so don't be afraid to explore him as an option.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I'm thinking I might go for Williams or Moss. The guy that has LT and Portis has been loaded for the last two seasons and I really don't want to retool him for next season. At this point he has to give up the guys he's been carrying over and if he can't get anything he's basically screwed for next year.

 

So should I go for the best player possible or try and keep the loaded team from retooling.

[the pinjockey 0]

I would never concern myself with how good another team is, in a straight one for one trade. If a LT for Priest trade is what would make my team better, I do it.

[Dangerous A 0]

I would never concern myself with how good another team is, in a straight one for one trade. If a LT for Priest trade is what would make my team better, I do it.

Ditto.

[razazteca 0]

The deal with Randy Moss is that he has good games with multiple TDs then there are the bad games where he will only get a few receptions or drop the big pass. If you are thinking about trading away one of the best RBs for a WR then it must be Marvin Harrison or Terrell Owens but not Randy Moss. I don't the Vikings have another good receiver on the team that can make ESPN's announcers go crazy.

 

Portis might have a MVP season but wasn't last years Redskins offense a joke and what will stop the opponets from blitzing every down?

[Lightning Flik 0]

Earlier in the thread, you said you saw the QBs going in the first three rounds, and Peyton Manning/Jamal Lewis going 1-2. I didn't mean it as a knock against you or anything, everyone has a different draft strategy, and it's cool seeing new ones.

I said I see QBs going just 3rd round, as most of the first two would be RBs (and they had better be). Or at least that was what I meant. And I really do believe that Lewis and Peyton can end up being 1-2 (although, I don't see that happening with who's currently where in the draft). I see possibly a QB being the #1 or #2 draft pick, however, I think the first 4 of 5 of the draft picks will be RBs. At least that's what I predict. I know I'll be draft an RB for my first pick.

 

Flik, the new points structure is much better.  I'd add that kickers should get a point for PATs, since every league has that.  Defensive touchdowns should be worth 6 points (they're listed as "+ points").  I also think the threshold for negative points on defense should be around 24, which is usually around the league average for points allowed.

Kickers should be getting a point for PATs. If they aren't, I need to fix that. I thought I had defensive touchdowns as 6 points (I'll have to fix that if not). As for negative point threashold, please explain what you mean. Might help me out better.

 

As the #2 spot in the yahoo league I know who I want and it will be no surprise.  I think there are about maybe 5 Must Have players at every position which are usually the players that everyone knows by 1st name or get overhyped on ESPN.  Once they are picked its going to be hell trying to pick the sleepers from the overrated losers such in the case of Frank Sanders who for whatever reason is rated very high every year in Yahoo.

With the #2 draft pick, you better make it good. All, I got to say.

 

And I really do hope we don't have some stupid moments in this draft. For once, I'd like a draft that drafts well.

 

BTW, it's no secret about the top two picks. You aren't going to go wrong with either Holmes or Tomlinson. They are the cream of the crop, the next 5 guys are damn good too, but Holmes and Tomlinson are the top guys.

I'm glad people are picking RBs as the main stuff of choice. I'd be afraid otherwise.

 

And how about we NOT make decisions on keepers till we get through this season, ok? You don't really know what'll happen till the season begins.

 

Oh, and btw, if I get whom I want in the first two rounds, I'll be a happy person .

[the pinjockey 0]

No way do you trade something the caliber of Holmes for Owens this year. Not in Reid's scheme.

[Dangerous A 0]

The deal with Randy Moss is that he has good games with multiple TDs then there are the bad games where he will only get a few receptions or drop the big pass. If you are thinking about trading away one of the best RBs for a WR then it must be Marvin Harrison or Terrell Owens but not Randy Moss. I don't the Vikings have another good receiver on the team that can make ESPN's announcers go crazy.

 

Portis might have a MVP season but wasn't last years Redskins offense a joke and what will stop the opponets from blitzing every down?

I'm hoping Gibbs will correct some of those offensive woes we had last year under Spurrier. Gibbs is a big proponent for the O-line and it's role in blocking for the RB as well as max protection for the QB. I'm not saying they are going to do a complete 180, but we should improve where we were deficient last year.

 

Harrison is the only guy I would put on the level of Moss. I don't think the McNabb/Owens combo is going to be as potent as people think it will be and eventually TO will be TO and start moaning about how he isn't getting the ball enough. Plus, TO drops more big passes than Moss. Moss was an MVP like candidate last year whereas TO was just a team cancer.

 

Moss > Owens

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I don't trust Owens in as far as fantasy goes. He's too flighty and I don't trust McNabb to get him the ball.

 

I'm probably going to wait and see with LT and Portis. I don't trust Portis behind the Washington line and I don't trust the San Diego management to give LT any help. On the same page I doubt the abilities of Ricky Williams as well and I doubt the ability of Miami to keep defenses off of him.

[Dr. Tom 0]

Kickers should be getting a point for PATs. If they aren't, I need to fix that. I thought I had defensive touchdowns as 6 points (I'll have to fix that if not). As for negative point threashold, please explain what you mean. Might help me out better.

Point After Attempt Made = 0 Points

...

Touchdown = + Points

Currently, it appears kickers are getting zip for a PAT, and defenses are getting some positive integer for TDs. If you're going to set these to 1 and 6, that's great.

 

By "negative point threshold," I mean the number of points allowed that start to earn a defensive team negative fantasy points. Since the league average for points scored is usually around 23, setting that number to 24 makes sense. An average defense gets you no reward or penalty, but once you're below average, the fantasy points should start coming off.

[razazteca 0]

Moss = Owens they are the same type of player only difference is the TO is on a better team so that will keep all of his prima donna bitching to a bare minimium.

[Lightning Flik 0]

Kickers should be getting a point for PATs. If they aren't, I need to fix that. I thought I had defensive touchdowns as 6 points (I'll have to fix that if not). As for negative point threashold, please explain what you mean. Might help me out better.

Point After Attempt Made = 0 Points

...

Touchdown = + Points

Currently, it appears kickers are getting zip for a PAT, and defenses are getting some positive integer for TDs. If you're going to set these to 1 and 6, that's great.

 

By "negative point threshold," I mean the number of points allowed that start to earn a defensive team negative fantasy points. Since the league average for points scored is usually around 23, setting that number to 24 makes sense. An average defense gets you no reward or penalty, but once you're below average, the fantasy points should start coming off.

Alright, I'm checking the current League Settings and:

 

PAT Made = 1 point

PAT Missed = -1 point (since they should make the damned PAT)

 

It's right there.

 

For defense:

 

Touchdown = 6 points

 

So it is set and ready Tom. I don't know where you are seeing it as 0 points.

 

As for the points system for defense allowing points, would it be better as:

 

Points Allowed 0 points (10)

Points Allowed 1-6 points (7)

Points Allowed 7-13 points (4)

Points Allowed 14-20 points (1)

Points Allowed 21-27 points (-0)

Points Allowed 28-34 points (-4)

Points Allowed 35+ points (-7)

 

That ok?

[the pinjockey 0]

Moss = Owens they are the same type of player only difference is the TO is on a better team so that will keep all of his prima donna bitching to a bare minimium.

But Tice's throw it up and let Randy get it philosphy is much better in fantasy than Reid's spread the ball to everyone and their mother philosophy.

[NoCalMike 0]

It isn't even questionable that barring injury, Portis, under Gibbs will get 25-30+ touches a game and will be the horse of the offense. Gibbs is all about running the ball to set up the playaction pass. That is his bread and butter and it is what brought 3 Superbowl Trophies to DC. Portis will be a pick well worth it, and seeing as I am sitting at #4, There is a very good chance I will get to pick Portis.

[Lightning Flik 0]

I'm sitting at #5 so anyone makes ONE fucking mistake on a pick, I'll make you pay.

 

Then again, I always take Gotham's picks, so naturally I'll select something Gotham wants.

 

*smirks*

[HarleyQuinn 0]

I have Portis projected at 305 carries, 1548 yards rushing and 12 TD's while also having 42 catches for 370 yards and 2 TD's(Good for #5 among my RB's)