Anyone up for Fantasy Football?

[the pinjockey 0]

I know, it was mentioned in regards to Harley's comment about how sacks can kill if they were worth -2.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

Looking at Harley's wicked stats, it looks like the top QBs are pretty overpowering. Manning's 330 is about the two top WR combined? Daunte is the top 4 and 5 receivers combined? Pretty nice for Manning/Culpepper owners. So, does this mean weakn QBs or strengthen WRs? Or do Culpepper and Manning not count, since they're giant freaks on pace for record seasons?

[the pinjockey 0]

I would discount Manning and Culpepper. They are just having ridiculous seasons.

[HarleyQuinn 0]

If you judge it on Plummer, Favre and Brees than you'll notice it isn't as big a difference as you think.

[the pinjockey 0]

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And we have a contender for the "phrases you did not think you would say at the beginning of the year" trophy.

[Lightning Flik 0]

I never thought I'd ever hear that as well.

[Lightning Flik 0]

The stats I'm thinking about for next year:

 

Qk! Now then, everyone is wondering about this new purprosed system I've got planned for next year. Well here it is.

 

Offense:

Completions (4 completions per point)

Passing Yards (10 yards per point)

Passing Touchdowns (6)

Interceptions (-5)

Sacks (-3)

Rushing Attempts (10 attempts per point)

Rushing Yards (10 yards per point)

Rushing Touchdowns (6)

Receptions (2 points per reception)

Reception Yards (10 yards per point)

Reception Touchdowns (6)

Return Yards (20 yards per point)

Return Touchdowns (6)

Fumbles (-1)

Fumbles Lost (-3)

 

Kicker:

Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)

Field Goals 20-29 Yards (3)

Field Goals 30-39 Yards (3)

Field Goals 40-49 Yards (4)

Field Goals 50+ Yards (5)

Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards (-1)

Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards (-1)

Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards (-1)

Field Goals Missed 40-49 Yards (-1)

Field Goals Missed 50+ Yards (-1)

Point After Attempt Made (1)

Point After Attempt Missed (-1)

 

Defense:

Sack (3)

Interception (5)

Fumble Recovery (4)

Touchdown (6)

Safety (10)

Block Kick (2)

Points Allowed 0 points (45)

Points Allowed 1-6 points (30)

Points Allowed 7-13 points (15)

Points Allowed 14-20 points (0)

Points Allowed 21-27 points (-15)

Points Allowed 28-34 points (-30)

Points Allowed 35+ points (-45)

 

HarleyQuinn with a stats of what will happen.

[HarleyQuinn 0]

Matchup From Week 10

Joey Harrington: 2.92 + 12.10 - 5 - 6 = 4.02

Jabbar Gaffney: 6 + 4.10 = 10.10

Darick Armstrong: 2 + 1.40 = 3.40

CuMart: 4 + .05 + 2.80 + 11.90 + 12 = 30.75

Arlen Harris: = 4.75

Justin McCairens: 4 + 3.00 = 7.00

Adam Vinny: 2 + 16 = 18

Steelers D: 15 + 12 + 10 + 8 = 45

Total: 123.02

 

Roethlisberger: 2.83 + 13.40 - 6 - 5 + .70 + 3.80 = 9.73

Burress: 10 + 6.60 = 16.60

Mason: 14 + 9.10 + 6 = 29.10

Dillon: 2.60 + 15.10 + 2 + 0.5 = 20.20

Edge: 2 + 8.60 + 1 + 1.40 = 13

Freddie Jones: = 2 + .04 = 2.04

Price: 4 + 2.00 = 6.00

Christie: = 2

Titans D: 0 + 15 + 4 + 10= 29

Total: 127.67

 

Top 5 Quarterbacks

#1: Peyton Manning = 49.25 + 109.96 + 186 - 30 - 18 + 1.5 + 3.80 - 1 = 301.51

#2: Daunte Culpepper = 56.50 + 86.88 + 150 - 25 - 72 + 4.80 + 20.40 + 6 - 7 - 6 = 214.58

#3: Jake Plummer = 44.25 + 91.28 + 114 - 50 - 21 + 3.00 + 9.90 - 3 = 188.43

#4: Brett Favre = 48.25 + 89.72 + 108 - 45 - 15 + .06 + 1.20 - 1 = 186.23

#5: Drew Brees = 40 + 74.16 + 108 - 15 - 33 + 2.30 + 4.70 + 6 - 4 - 6 = 177.16

 

Top 5 Running Backs

RB

#1: Tiki Barber = 18.40 + 92.80 + 54 + 18 + 46.30 + 6 - 1 = 234.50

#2: Priest Holmes = 19.60 + 89.20 + 84 + 9.50 + 18.70 + 6 - 4 - 6 = 217.00

#3: Shaun Alexander = 19.50 + 105.50 + 54 + 6.50 + 10.30 + 18 - 2 - 3 = 208.80

#4: Curtis Martin = 21.80 + 98.40 + 54 + 13.50 + 12.40 + 6 - 1 = 205.10

#5: Ahman Green = 18 + 86.40 + 36 + 2.50 + 17.80 + 6 - 4 - 9 = 153.70

 

Top 5 Wide Receivers

#1: Javon Walker = 24.50 + 85.70 + 48 - 2 - 6 = 150.20

#2: Terrell Owens = 24.50 + 75 + 54 + .1 - .3 = 153.30

#3: Joe Horn = 27 + 75.80 + 30 = 132.80

#4: Reggie Wayne = 20.50 + 63.60 + 42 = 126.10

#5: Muhsin Muhammed = 22.50 + 61.30 + 42 - 1 - 3 + .1 + .3 = 122.20

 

Starting Defenses for the Week

Steelers D: 15 + 12 + 10 + 8 = 45

Titans D: 0 + 15 + 4 + 10= 29

Arizona: 0 + 18 + 0 + 0 = 18

NE: 30 + 6 + 5 = 41

Sea: -15 + 3 + 8 = -4

Stl: 15 + 3 + 4 + 5 = 37

Cin: 15 + 15 + 15 = 45

NYG: 0 + 6 = 6

Buf: -30 + 6 + 5 = -19

Chi: 0 + 9 + 8 + 5 + 6 + 10 = 38

NYJ: 0 + 9 + 4 = 13

Bal: 0 + 9 + 5 = 14

 

QB Week Comparison

Brett Favre: 5 + 23.60 + 24 = 52.60

Trent Green: 5.50 + 31.10 - 6 + 6 - 10 +.1 + 1.30 = 28.00

Peyton: 4.50 + 21.50 - 3 - 10 + 30 = 43.00

[razazteca 0]

QB passing yards need to be weighted at a different rate than the other players. Please make it at least 25 yards to a point for QBs. Also (-3) points for sacks is too much, I have no problem with it being (-1).

[LaParkaMarka 0]

-3 for a sack? Isn't that a tad harsh?

 

PS: I TO.

[Lightning Flik 0]

It's up to debate guys. I'm just saying this is what I'd like.

 

The reason why I have sacks at -3 is because I'm trying to balance every position and make it so that whatever the defense gets, it is the same for the QB (or fumbles).

[the pinjockey 0]

I just think you are trying way too hard with the stats. If this was all brought on by the mention that WRs get buried, WRs get buried in every league, that is how the stats play out.

 

As for that system, I think INTs are too much at -5 as well as sacks at -3. And I think the defensive points allowed is just stretching way to much. You should not lose you matchup just because your D had a bad day (and -45 is a death sentence).

[HarleyQuinn 0]

I like the idea of Individual Defensive Positions(IDP) a lot more than team D's. This way, we can draft a DE/LB/CB while focusing on tackles/sacks/INT/fumble recoveries/TD. It'd also add a greater challenge to drafting if we do decide to turn this into a dynasty league as was the original intention. As far as positions: I'd like to see 2 DE, 2 LB and 2 CB. Just enough to get people to study a bit but not have it be overbearing.

[razazteca 0]

I'm all for making this a dynasty league and I do like the idea of IDP.

[the pinjockey 0]

My problem with drafting individual defense is that, for CBs in particular, the best players won't have stats because the opponents won't throw/run their way.

 

One question: Am I the only one who sees no problem with how things are currently?

[razazteca 0]

One question: Am I the only one who sees no problem with how things are currently?

Need more keepers.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

It's not a bad scoring system. Then again, me and pinjockey are doing just fine, so we probably aren't the guys who are looking for massive change.

[HarleyQuinn 0]

My problem with drafting individual defense is that, for CBs in particular, the best players won't have stats because the opponents won't throw/run their way.

 

One question: Am I the only one who sees no problem with how things are currently?

True but the top CB's scoring wise are usually the guys who give you the most tackles. You can also use safeties in the CB role(guys like Rodney Harrison, Roy Williams, etc.) thus giving you more points than taking a guy like Charles Woodson and expecting 9-12 INT's.

[Lightning Flik 0]

It's not a bad scoring system. Then again, me and pinjockey are doing just fine, so we probably aren't the guys who are looking for massive change.

I just like to improve. If everyone loves the current system in place, then I will not change it at all (except the fumble, that will change regardless).

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Its pretty much assured that Im going to stink at fantasy football no matter how its set up so whatever everyone agrees to for next year is fine by me.

[Cuban Linx 0]

Unless i can't read box scores i think i might have pulled out the extremely narrow 0.07 point victory as i don't see L.J. Smith mentioned as doing anything. Looks like some luck has gone my way for once, with 4th to 12th all only seperated by one game every game is vital.

[Cartman 0]

Please god dont go wit IDP's. Leave things as is.

[Lightning Flik 0]

I'm just asking about next year, yeesh.... Please don't panic about me saying "this is what I'd liked to do for next year".

 

That's just me talking about how I'd like to improve on something and unless there's a near unanimous decision on what happens, I don't really change stuff. I just didn't realize that a lot of people liked the current system, and quite a few people have talked to me specifically asking why not do this as a Dynasty instead of just Keepers. Hence the talk for change.

 

Although, I do wish to to improve WRs points, but maybe I'll just add catches as the only new positive stat for next year.

[The Man in Blak 0]

I just think you are trying way too hard with the stats.  If this was all brought on by the mention that WRs get buried, WRs get buried in every league, that is how the stats play out.

You don't want wideouts to be buried? Here's how you do it:

• Take out the points per rushing attempt (which is ludicrous, btw)
• Adjust the yardage numbers for rushing and receiving to 20 yards/point and 15 yards/point, respectively
• Do one point per reception

If you do that, an average day for a wideout (3 catches, 45 yards) sits at six points while a great day (let's say 9 catches, 120 yards, 1 TD) sits at 23 points, which isn't too bad, honestly. Counter-balance the running backs accordingly and you've got a winner.

[HarleyQuinn 0]

I just think you are trying way too hard with the stats.  If this was all brought on by the mention that WRs get buried, WRs get buried in every league, that is how the stats play out.

You don't want wideouts to be buried? Here's how you do it:

• Take out the points per rushing attempt (which is ludicrous, btw)
• Adjust the yardage numbers for rushing and receiving to 20 yards/point and 15 yards/point, respectively
• Do one point per reception

If you do that, an average day for a wideout (3 catches, 45 yards) sits at six points while a great day (let's say 9 catches, 120 yards, 1 TD) sits at 23 points, which isn't too bad, honestly. Counter-balance the running backs accordingly and you've got a winner.

For comparison: A RB with 52 yards and 4 catches for 49 yards would get 9.87 points while a RB who blows up with 157 yards rushing, 2 TD and 3 catches for 26 yards would get 24.58.

 

I like MIB's idea and whole heartedly support it. An average game from a RB/WR gets an average point total while an explosion gets great numbers.

[HarleyQuinn 0]

If we do decide to go to IDP, I was thinking of the following set up.

 

1 points per solo tackle

.5 point per assisted tackle

2 points per sack

1 points for forced fumble

1 point per fumble recovery

2 points for INT

6 points for TD

 

1 DL, 2 LB, 1 CB. As a total, you could get anywhere from 10-40 combined points in any given week. Players can also decide a game but the point totals are similar to QB/RB/WR in that you'd need an exceptional game to garner major points (ala Lewis' week 10 vs his week 5 performance).

 

Here's an idea of how well players would be doing in this scoring system.

LB Ray Lewis Week 5: 4 + .5 = 4.5 points (Had 5 tackles)

LB Ray Lewis Week 10: 11 + 1.50 = 12.50 points (Had 14 tackles)

CB Ed Reed Week 7: 5 + 2 = 7 points (5 tackles and 1 INT)

[Lightning Flik 0]

Ok, I've been asked about this time and time again to do the "other way", so I'll just ask you.

 

Which do you support:

 

Keeper - 3 players

 

Dynasty - 6 players, can trade draft picks and players during off-season.

 

Which do you support?

[razazteca 0]

Can I keep my whole team?

[Der Kommissar 0]

I'd prefer a dynasty, since that sounds interesting, but I really don't care one way or the other.

[Lightning Flik 0]

Can I keep my whole team?

God dammit, no. Make a choice. One or the other.