HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted November 22, 2004 I support the dynasty idea. Also technically Flik, a dynasty means that the whole team is kept and there's a rookie draft every year for the incoming draft(usually held after the real draft). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Man in Blak 0 Report post Posted November 22, 2004 I like the Dynasty, myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2004 I heart David "0.3" Givens. I like the dynasty idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2004 I vote keeper. Dynasty just means everyone keeps the same teams every year...booooring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2004 Proposed trades to Paper Tigers and Gibbs Disciples. Let me know what you guys think, thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2004 I vote keeper. Dynasty just means everyone keeps the same teams every year...booooring. You can still trade players and with rookie drafts, you can draft players that may/may not pan out. You can also do the normal add/drop and WW moves too. So it's not like you HAVE to have the same lineup in 2006 that you had in 2004. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2004 I assume we are talking about dynasty with the 6 players as Flik proposed as opposed to the full team Harley mentioned, correct? The entire team is a little too much, since although you can improve via trades and a good rookie it would be way too similar each year with the same whole team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2004 Yeah, we're working with a 6 keeper dynasty...sorry for the confusion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2004 Hm... Seems like Dynasty has a 4-1 to votes lead. I'll only impliment Dynasty if it retains more votes by the time the playoffs hits or obtains the 8 votes needed to be approved by half the league (my vote does not count). Last week of the season is also when I want the Keepers (or if Dynasty wins, team) you'll have for next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2004 If we do dynasty, why not hold off on announcing players just in case you want to trade for someone and keep them on your team? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmy no nose 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2004 6 player dynasty is what I'd prefer over two players, but it's not really that big a deal. There are exactly 6 players on my team that I'd like to keep until next year, and four of them could probably be replaced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2004 If we do dynasty, why not hold off on announcing players just in case you want to trade for someone and keep them on your team? When the playoffs hit, you can't trade anyways. Last trade date is Dec 3rd. Since the first day of the playoffs isn't for 3 weeks, I think you've got plenty of time of who to think of keeping. BTW, I know for a fact that two people who wish to do Dynasty already know their six they are keeping. 6 player dynasty is what I'd prefer over two players, but it's not really that big a deal. There are exactly 6 players on my team that I'd like to keep until next year, and four of them could probably be replaced. With this it makes those in favor of Dynasty up 5 to 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2004 But it was stated earlier that if we go to dynasty there might be some trades in the offseason. So maybe we could get some value from a player that you would otherwise drop. Example: Say I end up with 7 players I would consider to keep Manning Driver Robinson Green Westbrook Blaylock Baltimore (not that they all interest me, but hypothetical here) Team B: Favre Alexander Gonzalez Muhammad Barber So they end up with 5 players and no one else they would consider. What if they wanted to offer Alexander for Westbrook and Blaylock? It is not something they would do for this season, but maybe something they wanted to do for next so they would have a full keeper roster. And it would also let me upgrade a RB spot by using someone I was planning on dropping. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2004 I'll give you my rookie draft pick for Westbrook Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2004 I'm willing should we allow people to select between like 3-7 people and not a set number, is something I did with NBA H2H league, which is a "Madness Draft". For every additional person (from the maximum amount) you do not keep, you get an extra pick placed into the absolutely random ordered Madness Draft! Of course, I'd just like to know if people would be up for this. This allows people the greater flexability, not only that but Madness Draft picks would be worth a little more for the potential you can nab an awesome spot. And yes, Madness Draft picks would be available for trades as well. So don't worry about taking them and thinking you could be stuck with them. Just wondering what you guys think about it for Dynasty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2004 I like that idea Flik as it worked pretty well for the NBA H2H league IMO. It'd also allow owners to choose A)How many they want to keep and B)Decide who is truly worth keeping rather than trying to find 6 guys to keep just to say they kept 6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2004 I'm going Dynasty and not draft at all.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2004 I like that idea Flik as it worked pretty well for the NBA H2H league IMO. It'd also allow owners to choose A)How many they want to keep and B)Decide who is truly worth keeping rather than trying to find 6 guys to keep just to say they kept 6. You would still have to draft at least a minimum amount of players in a Dynasty league. You can't just get a whole shitload of draft picks. I'm thinking that if we do make this a Dynasty league, that I would then make it 3 being the minimum amount and probably up to at least 7 being the most. Of course, I doubt that people would actually take 7 players as it doesn't give you a lot of flexability. Probably 6 at most, therefore at least everyone gets 1 Madness pick. Does everyone like this idea? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2004 I've got no problem with that idea. I do reserve the right to bitch though when I end up keeping the limit and there are 50 picks ahead of me. Doesn't mean I don't like the idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaMarka 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2004 Can someone explain how the Madness Draft works exactly? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2004 In the NBA draft there was a round before the first round of the draft. In that round were all of the teams that did not have keepers. They went through the teams once, came back around snake style and finished up the madness round. After that came the normal draft with all teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2004 Actually, the Madness Draft was completely random in terms of who picked where...the names were drawn out of a hat for the order. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2004 Can someone explain how the Madness Draft works exactly? Madness Draft is a draft before the actual draft. All draft picks for the Madness draft are placed in a random order. So you can have this: 1st - Crimson Storm (11th in the league, 7th pick in the regular draft) 2nd - Injuried Prone (8th in the league, 9th in the regular draft) 3rd - Gotham Harlequins (3rd in the league, 13th in the regular draft) 4th - Injuried Prone 5th - Serenity (1st in the league, 16th, in the regular draft) 6th - Michaels Mark (last in the league, first in the regular draft) That's more or less how it works. Because the Madness Draft is random, the picks are worth more than a regular draft pick. The downside to the Madness Draft Picks, is you will not know your draft position in the Madness Draft until the day of the draft. Therefore if I give up Reuben Droughns because I want a Madness Draft pick and figure I might get him back, if someone else has a Madness Draft pick, they might steal him. The Madness Draft is more or less akin to the Waivers Draft in the NHL. Except you can also pick off potential free agents as well. Hope that's a good explanation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted November 29, 2004 (edited) The Off-Season and our next year: Well considering the trade date is almost upon us, I figured I should mention what's happening for the next season and this season. Since this is a keeper league, you will be able to keep between 3-6 position players from your team. For every player you don't keep you will be given a "Madness" Draft pick. While this is in reality, a Waiver Draft pick, it bypasses the regular draft and allows you access to make picks before the actual draft. The reason it is called Madness picks, is because these draft picks will be randomly drawn from my Magical Sort Hat. Hence you can have any sort of order for draft picks. There's even a chance you could have the 1st, 2nd and 3rd in the Madness Draft. Hence Madness Draft picks are worth much more than ordinary draft picks for off-season trades. There is a downside to these picks though. You must offer up one of your players that you have and you cannot select that player during the both types of the Draft. So please be careful of who you choose to suggest. Players selected must remain on the team during the playoffs and not be on the IR. If a player is dropped when Kept, your Madness Draft pick will be tossed to the END of both drafts. So keep your teams the same. I will also need your selection for Keepers/Picks by the start of the first week of the playoffs. Because at the end of the first week of the playoffs, I'll be posting the Madness Draft order so that people can have ideas of who they might wanna trade away and stuff. Stats for the next season will only change in two ways. Wide outs will receive a point per reception, while defenses will not gain points for return yards and also defenses will have a different scoring system. New Defense scoring system is as such Points Allowed 0 = 10 1-6 = 5 7-13 = 3 14-20 = 1 21-27 = -1 28-34 = -3 35+ = -5 Safeties will be worth a whomping 10 pts since they are so rare. Other stats will remain as is. That's about all I have to say on these subjects. I'll leave them for you to deal with. Edited November 29, 2004 by Lightning Flik Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 (edited) Oh any Keepers/Madness Drops must be on the team from before Week 10 (so from Week 9 to start date). So yeah, if you pick up someone to circumvent having to give up an awesome player or you find a great player just for you playoff push, you can't have them. This is only for FA and WW. Trades are still ok. Since I've been asked how exactly the Madness/Keeper idea works, I thought I'd demonstrate how it'll work using my own team. And yes, this is what I've decided to do already. Players on Injuried Reserve can not be used for Madness Picks. They can only be kept. I'm only selecting 3 Keepers. I must therefore give up the drafting rights of 3 players (both drafts). So the six players I'm putting up: Joey Harrington, Quarterback, Detroit Lions Ashley Lelie, Wide Receiver, Denver Broncos Curtis Martin, Running Back, New York Jets Reuben Droughns, Running Back, Denver Broncos L. J. Smith, Tight End, Philadelphia Eagles Justin McCareins, Wide Receiver, New York Jets. Keepers: Lelie, Martin, Droughns Madness: Harrington, Smith, McCareins Because I've stated these guys, I can not for any circumstances put them on waivers. If I do, any Madness Picks earned will end up in at the end of the regular draft. Meaning the picks become absolutely useless. Here's a list of players who are not eligible to be kept or used for madness. Players Available For Madness/Regular Draft Ricky Williams, Running Back, Miami Dolphins - Randy Orton Brian Griese, Quarter Back, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Injuried Prone DTD LaMont Jordan, Running Back, New York Jets - Foreign Objects John Navarre, Quarter Back, Arizona Cardinals - Crimson Storm Jerry Porter, Wide Receiver, Oakland Raiders - Crimson Storm Joe Jurevicius, Wide Receiver, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Crimson Storm DeShaun Foster, Running Back, Carolina Panthers - Crimson Storm Antonio Bryant, Wide Receiver, Cleveland Browns - Crimson Storm Eli Manning, Quarter Back, New York Giants - Paper Tigers Julius Jones, Running Back, Dallas Cowboys - Paper Tigers Todd Pinkston, Wide Receiver, Philadelphia Eagles - Paper Tigers Shayne Graham, Kicker, Cincinnati Bengals - Paper Tigers Kelly Campbell, Wide Receiver, Minnasota Vikings - Gotham Harlequinns Jermaine Wiggins, Tight End, Minnasota Vikings - Gotham Harlequinns Daunte Hall, Wide Receiver, Kansas City Chiefs - Agent Bond34 Michael Moore, Running Back, Minnasota Vikings - Agent Bond34 T. J. Duckett, Running Back, Atlanta Falcons - Agent Bond34 Jeb Putzier, Tight End, Denver Broncos - Michaels Mark Freddie Jones, Tight End, Arizona Cardinals - Presented By BankOne Rod Gardner, Wide Receiver, Washington Redskins - Darkside Dominators Drew Bledsoe, Quarter Back, Buffalo Bills - Darkside Dominators Amos Zereoue, Running Back, Oakland Raiders - Darkside Dominators Detriot Lions, Defense - Darkside Dominators Patrick Ramsey, Quarter Back, Washington Redskins - Gibbs Disciples Chris Cooley, Tight End, Washington Redskins - Gibbs Disciples Jeff Reed, Kicker, Pittsburgh Steelers - Gibbs Disciples Clarence Moore, Wide Receiver, Baltimore Ravens - Gridiron Lunatics Moe Williams, Running Back, Minnasota Vikings - Gridiron Lunatics Atlanta Falcons, Defense - Gridiron Lunatics Doug Gabriel, Wide Reciever, Oakland Raiders - Pawtucket Patriots Eddie Drummond, Wide Receiver, Detroit Lions - Pawtucket Patriots Sammy Morris, Running Back, Miami Dolphins - Pawtucket Patriots Bethel Johnson, Wide Receiver, New England Patriots - Pawtucket Patriots New York Giants - Pawtucket Patriots Warrick Dunn, Running Back, Atlanta Falcons - The Major Shakes This was done because I realized that anyone can circumvent what I wanted to do with the Madness picks. This was the only thing that made any sort of sense to do. However, I almost fucked myself in terms of getting Madness picks when I took the time to actually look at it. If I made a mistake anywhere please inform me. The player must have been (or joined) on your team from Week 1 to Week 9. I chose Week 9 as everyone more or less had their team in place at that time. Please understand, that I'm not trying to screw anyone here but trying to make sure no one stacks their team with rejects to gain easy Madness Draft Picks. Also, SmootCriminal is now under the management of Wart. None of what I've stated above will be under debate. This model will be used for every following year. Edited November 30, 2004 by Lightning Flik Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaMarka 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 So any players we picked up after week 9 are just for the playoffs? I actually drafted Ricky Williams, if anyone remembers. Does that count? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 I guess I'll declare my 6 keepers now: QB Jake Plummer RB LaDainian Tomlinson WR Reggie Wayne WR Hines Ward WR Joe Horn Defense Eagles Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Der Kommissar 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Also, I had Phillip Rivers in Week 1, so if I was to re-acquire him, then could I keep him for next year? Just curious... And, oh yeah, Onterrio Smith is on the trading block, though I can't see getting many offers for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 (edited) Also, I had Phillip Rivers in Week 1, so if I was to re-acquire him, then could I keep him for next year? Just curious... And, oh yeah, Onterrio Smith is on the trading block, though I can't see getting many offers for him. No. They have to remain on your roster as of Week 9. After that doesn't count. Otherwise, I could still keep Bryant and Porter as I originally had them. Edited November 30, 2004 by Lightning Flik Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Der Kommissar 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2004 Ah well. I think I'll just make it simple then. Keepers: Drew Brees QB Kevin Jones RB WR Randy Moss WR Torry Holt TE Antonio Gates Chicago Defense Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
