Styles 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2004 AL Starters: C Ivan Rodriguez, DET R/R 32 11 .376 10 57 1B Jason Giambi, NYY L/R 33 5 .239 11 31 2B Alfonso Soriano, TEX R/R 28 3 .292 13 48 3B Alex Rodriguez, NYY R/R 28 7 .276 19 50 SS Derek Jeter, NYY R/R 30 6 .273 13 40 OF Manny Ramirez, BOS R/R 32 6 .342 22 63 OF Vladimir Guerrero, ANA R/R 28 5 .345 20 71 OF Ichiro Suzuki, SEA L/R 30 4 .319 3 30 AL Starting Pitchers: SP Tim Hudson, OAK R/R 28 1 7-3 2.98 SP Ted Lilly, TOR L/L 28 1 7-4 4.04 SP Esteban Loaiza, CWS R/R 32 2 8-4 4.37 SP Mark Mulder, OAK L/L 26 2 10-2 2.90 SP Kenny Rogers, TEX L/L 39 2 11-2 3.42 SP C.C. Sabathia, CLE L/L 23 1 5-3 2.77 SP Curt Schilling, BOS R/R 37 4 11-4 3.08 AL Relief Pitchers: RP Francisco Cordero, TEX R/R 29 1 24 1.85 RP Tom Gordon, NYY R/R 36 2 2 1.51 RP Joe Nathan, MIN R/R 29 1 23 1.19 RP Mariano Rivera, NYY R/R 34 4 29 0.86 RP Francisco Rodriguez, ANA R/R 22 1 7 1.04 AL Reserves C Victor Martinez, CLE S/R 25 1 .299 12 60 1B Ken Harvey, KC R/R 24 1 .330 9 33 1B David Ortiz, BOS L/L 28 1 .306 22 76 2B Ron Belliard, CLE R/R 29 1 .317 5 34 3B Hank Blalock, TEX L/R 23 2 .313 21 57 SS Carlos Guillen, DET S/R 28 1 .328 11 57 SS Miguel Tejada, BAL R/R 28 2 .315 15 69 SS Michael Young, TEX R/R 27 1 .330 11 48 OF Carl Crawford, TB L/L 22 1 .317 3 30 OF Matt Lawton, CLE L/R 32 2 .315 13 47 OF Gary Sheffield, NYY R/R 33 8 .298 13 53 NL Starters: C Mike Piazza, NYM R/R 33 10 .312 16 39 1B Albert Pujols, STL R/R 24 3 .304 21 57 2B Jeff Kent, HOU R/R 34 4 .293 10 52 3B Scott Rolen, STL R/R 29 3 .342 18 77 SS Edgar Renteria, STL R/R 28 4 .287 4 34 OF Barry Bonds, SF L/L 39 13 .354 22 45 OF Ken Griffey, CIN L/L 34 11 .244 19 35 OF Sammy Sosa, CHC R/R 35 7 .276 14 33 NL Starting Pitchers: SP Roger Clemens, HOU R/R 41 9 10-2 2.63 SP Tom Glavine, NYM L/L 38 6 7-5 2.16 SP Livan Hernandez, MON R/R 29 1 6-7 3.23 SP Randy Johnson, ARI R/L 40 8 9-6 3.04 SP Carl Pavano, FLA R/R 28 1 9-3 2.92 SP Jason Schmidt, SF R/R 31 2 10-2 2.61 SP Ben Sheets, MIL R/R 25 2 7-5 2.58 SP Carlos Zambrano, CHC S/R 23 1 9-3 2.41 NL Relief Pitchers: RP Armando Benitez, FLA R/R 32 1 26 1.11 RP Eric Gagne, LA R/R 28 3 21 1.54 RP Danny Graves, CIN R/R 30 2 31 3.02 RP Danny Kolb, MIL R/R 29 1 24 0.87 NL Reserves: C Johnny Estrada, ATL S/R 28 1 .328 4 45 1B Sean Casey, CIN L/R 30 3 .352 15 54 1B Todd Helton, COL L/L 30 5 .352 15 53 1B Jim Thome, PHI L/R 33 4 .298 27 58 2B Mark Loretta, SD R/R 32 1 .321 6 33 3B Mike Lowell, FLA R/R 30 3 .301 19 51 SS Barry Larkin, CIN R/R 40 12 .294 4 30 SS Jack Wilson, PIT R/R 26 1 .340 7 33 OF Moises Alou, CHC R/R 38 5 .287 19 49 OF Carlos Beltran, HOU# S/R 27 1 .281 19 58 OF Lance Berkman, HOU S/L 28 3 .305 16 59 OF Miguel Cabrera, FLA R/R 21 1 .288 19 54 Final fan vote for AL is Lew Ford, Travis Hafner, FRANK THOMAS, Paul Konerko and Hideki Matsui. NL is Bobby Abreu, Steve Finley, Jason Kendell, Juan Pierre and Aramis Ramirez. http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/events/a.../final_vote.jsp As an Orioles fan, I'm pissed Melvin Mora (.347 12 43) , even though hurt didn't make the team or wasn't at least selected for the final fan voting (Travis Hafner!? Don't the Indians have enough all stars for such a mediocre team?) Nice to see the entire Yankees infield is reunited for the game (although that's more the fans fault than Torre's). Oh, and Thomas and Konerko are both worthy of the fan vote but I can't be the only one to think MLB put them both on to split the vote and assure the even more likely vote in for another beloved Yankee, Hideki Matsui (remember, you can vote in Japanese!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 5, 2004 Nice to see the entire Yankees infield is reunited for the game You can't reunite something that never was. Jason Giambi, Derek Jeter, Alfonso Soriano and Alex Rodriguez never played together as one infield in a New York Yankees uniform. Unless I'm missing something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 5, 2004 I just received an impassioned form letter from the Yankees site asking me to vote Hideki Matsui in. I don't see how I, as a Yankee fan, can do otherwise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2004 What a humanitarian And you know what I mean, I meant Soriano united with the rest of the Yankees infield... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 5, 2004 What a humanitarian I couldn't help it. They showed Hideki's puppy dog face ( You know, the one that looks nothing like a puppy dog face) and my heart melted. And you know what I mean, I meant Soriano united with the rest of the Yankees infield... Well, that's different than the Yankees infield reuniting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tom 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2004 Anyone who's not hitting .250 at the time selections would be announced shouldn't be able to make the team. It's absurd that Giambi can hit .239, miss a bunch of games while being hurt, and still make the team because of name recognition. I know he's still getting on base, but there are definitely more deserving candidates in the AL who are hitting above their weight. Snubs: AL - Melvin Mora. NL - Adrian Beltre, Lyle Overbay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2004 I was pissed as hell about Mora too. I actually couldn't believe that he wasn't on the reserves or the final fan voting. I kept looking back and forward between trhe two trying to find him, but he just wasn't there. Going purely by stats, he was the second best player in the American League before the foot injury. I didn't really expect him to start over A-Rod, but not being on the team at all? That's ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 5, 2004 , but there are definitely more deserving candidates in the AL who are hitting above their weight. . I think Giambi is at this point Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2004 Giambi making the All Star team is a travesty......especially starting in front of David Ortiz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 5, 2004 So since Casey is all but out for the game...Who you think will get the slot? His team mate Dunn? Overbay? Sadly, the open spot SHOULD go to Beltran but it wont. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geniusMoment 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2004 I am surprised Larkin made the team, I guess it was a sympathy pick since he is probably going to retire following this season. The only person I really wanted to make the team was Adam Dunn, but I do not think he deserved it. I just wanted to see him crush his 500 foot home runs that he hits in batting practice during the HR derby. Dunn, Bonds and Wily Mo Pena are the only players so far to clear the moondeck at Great American Ballpark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 5, 2004 Giambi making the All Star team is a travesty......especially starting in front of David Ortiz. Ortiz wasn't on the ballot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2004 Frank Thomas should've started at first. He's the forgotten man in the discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2004 Giambi making the All Star team is a travesty......especially starting in front of David Ortiz. Ortiz wasn't on the ballot. That's exactly my point...... It should be a different process. They should still have voting for the all stars, but they shouldn't be obligated to start the game. If you wanna vote in a guy hitting .239 then go ahead, as long as he sits on the bench for the first 5 innings or so I don't have a problem with it. Just let more deserving players at least have a chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 5, 2004 Giambi making the All Star team is a travesty......especially starting in front of David Ortiz. Ortiz wasn't on the ballot. That's exactly my point...... It should be a different process. They should still have voting for the all stars, but they shouldn't be obligated to start the game. If you wanna vote in a guy hitting .239 then go ahead, as long as he sits on the bench for the first 5 innings or so I don't have a problem with it. Just let more deserving players at least have a chance. Ortiz probably will end up starting the game, because I don't think Giambi will be up to playing, but I understand your point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2004 I'm a Mets fan, and I'm kind of wondering why Al Leiter or Braden Looper didn't make the team. Glavine makes the team and has a 2.16 ERA/ Leiter has a 2.12 ERA with the league hitting .188 against him, and doesn't make it Braden Looper has a 1.97 ERA and didn't make it either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2004 It is hard to make the team with only 4 wins like Leiter has (being injured for a stretch did not help). And Looper just ran into the Overbay problem of position depth, his numbers aren't as good as 3 of the 4 relievers and the 4th has the saves for people to blow a load over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2004 Too many relievers are in as it is. Danny Graves is an average reliever who made the squad solely because he got a ton of save opportunities. He's blown 3 out of his last save opportunites. Personally, I'd take Eric Gagne, and that's it. More starters should make the All-Star team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2004 Ken Harvey isn't the worst hitting first baseman on the team either. As for Beltran, is it really guaranteed that he'd replace an injured outfielder? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2004 Too many relievers are in as it is. Danny Graves is an average reliever who made the squad solely because he got a ton of save opportunities. He's blown 3 out of his last save opportunites. Personally, I'd take Eric Gagne, and that's it. More starters should make the All-Star team. Nevermind that it's easier to deal with relievers than starters since most of the starting pitchers will still be working in the days before the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2004 Melvin Mora went on the DL today, so the (deserved) bitching about him missing the squad is muted a bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted July 6, 2004 Halladay & Batista have both pitched better than Lilly. Me thinks Torre is showing some favourtism towards the former Yanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted July 6, 2004 Melvin Mora went on the DL today, so the (deserved) bitching about him missing the squad is muted a bit. All the more reason for Torre to have named Mora to the team. He could have been recognized as an all star for his first half of play and then since he's injured, Torre could have replaced him on the active roster with whoever else he wanted. No excuse why this didn't happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted July 6, 2004 Except for Tom Gordon and Carlos Guillen, all of Torre's picks had to fill the team representation rule (this includes Tejada). Many fans mistakingly believe the manager decides all of the reserves. This doesn't happen anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted July 6, 2004 Except for Tom Gordon and Carlos Guillen, all of Torre's picks had to fill the team representation rule (this includes Tejada). Many fans mistakingly believe the manager decides all of the reserves. This doesn't happen anymore. Are you honestly insinuating Tejada doesn't deserve to make the team? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted July 6, 2004 No. I'm pointing out that Torre needed to make a representation pick for the Orioles, and he took Tejada over Mora. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted July 6, 2004 Halladay & Batista have both pitched better than Lilly. Me thinks Torre is showing some favourtism towards the former Yanks. I'm kinda glad Hallday's not going because of his shoulder injury. If it's not 100% yet, then the 3 extra days off will help. I would have taken Batista (or even Frasor) over Lilly, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted July 6, 2004 Ted Lilly's got the best peripherals on the Jays staff. 8.21 K/9 ratio. 44 walks in 98 2/3 IP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted July 6, 2004 Giambi being voted in as a starter is a joke. Not saying his best years are done, but THIS YEAR, or at least half-season, has not been one of his better ones, rather has been pretty medicore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted July 7, 2004 Last night I was thinking of how lovely it would be to have Ken Harvey playing first base when Mariano Rivera and/or Tom Gordon are on the mound in the game. He might actually end up killing one of them on a simple groundball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites