Trade Talk

[the max 0]

The Phillies thought that the D-Rays would trade Baldelli? That's hilarious. Guy's been one of their best players this year and is a main point of their attack.

 

 

 

All I keep hearing are ridiculous rumors. One day, Schill and Unit are enemies, the next day, Schill's wife baked Unit cookies and all was well. The next day, Unit found out the cookies had nuts in them and he has a peanut allergy, so they're enemies again.

 

I think Unit stays in Zona. I don't think the Yankees will give up what Zona wants for him, and I don't think St. Louis makes the move.

[Bored 0]

Baldelli is overrated but being compared to Joe DiMaggio about a month into your career will do that.

[the max 0]

Exactly. Plus, he's an excellent fit, and gives the Rays a very good, speedy, well hitting outfield for a few more seasons with Crawford and Cruz Jnr.

[sfaJack 0]

What about the Astros. Any news if their looking into moving Kent, and Beltrane? Would a Kent to Oakland for say Joe Blanton, and a couple other prospects be too far fetched.

Hunsicker said a couple of days ago that he's "not even thinking about it" in regards to selling off either of those guys.

 

And Kent would have to waive his no-trade clause, which is supposedly an idea he has been very cold to. The Astros would probably have to pick up the majority of his contract as well, given his option for next season and all the deferred money he is due and we all know how, uh, frugal Drayton McLane is.

 

I'll be surprised if they move either of them, unless they lose 5 or 6 games in a row between now and this time next week. The Astros still believe they have a run in them.

[C Dubya 04 0]

Call me crazy, but I'd like to see the Phillies bench Jimmy Rollins, move Polanco to shortstop, and play Utley at second.

Dude, you're nuts. Rollins has been the Phils 4th best player this year. Polanco has been absolute shit, especially as of late. That's only the offensive side of the argument. Rollins has developed into a great fielding shortstop as well. No way does Polanco have that kind of range.

 

And, about the Ledee/Micheals platoon, I don't think it's good enough to get the Phillies a title. Ledee has been good at the plate this year, but I don't know if he can keep it up with more appearances. He seems to be best suited in limited roles. (That being said, I went to the game last night and he was HUGE). But, not only do they not do enough at the plate, I don't think either is a good enough fielder to play center. In the last two games they've both misplayed easy outs that led to extra bases.

[Dr. Tom 0]

The Phillies thought that the D-Rays would trade Baldelli? That's hilarious. Guy's been one of their best players this year and is a main point of their attack.

Apparently, they thought the Rays would be concerned about a crowded outfield next year, when Delmon Young is presumably ready to play in the majors. I think that, after years of bad signings and general ineptitude, that is precisely the kind of problem the Rays would like to have.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Dude, you're nuts. Rollins has been the Phils 4th best player this year. Polanco has been absolute shit, especially as of late. That's only the offensive side of the argument. Rollins has developed into a great fielding shortstop as well. No way does Polanco have that kind of range.

 

Polanco is very good all over the diamond, although Rollins is probably better on the field. I do think Polanco is the better hitter, and this is just a slump. Rollins and his .330 OBP is nothing to crow about.

 

And, about the Ledee/Micheals platoon, I don't think it's good enough to get the Phillies a title. Ledee has been good at the plate this year, but I don't know if he can keep it up with more appearances. He seems to be best suited in limited roles. (That being said, I went to the game last night and he was HUGE). But, not only do they not do enough at the plate, I don't think either is a good enough fielder to play center. In the last two games they've both misplayed easy outs that led to extra bases.

 

Well, against righties, Ledee has a 248/334/429 split, and against lefties, Michaels has career marks of 315/415/550. I think when you play the matchups, the offense is there. As for defense, I think the situation is fine when you can use Doug Glanville as a defensive substitute in the late innings. And I still hold out that Marlon Byrd can pull it together.

[the max 0]

The Phillies thought that the D-Rays would trade Baldelli?  That's hilarious. Guy's been one of their best players this year and is a main point of their attack.

Apparently, they thought the Rays would be concerned about a crowded outfield next year, when Delmon Young is presumably ready to play in the majors. I think that, after years of bad signings and general ineptitude, that is precisely the kind of problem the Rays would like to have.

Exactly what they want, as Cruz Jnr. either becomes a platoon or gets dealt. He's having a good year right now, and may look attractive to someone who needs the outfield help.

[2GOLD 0]

Even though he is a mammoth risk, I'd like to see Baltimore take a shot at acquiring Barry Vito. Yes, I know this goes completely against what I said in another thread but I think a change in location could actually help him and the A's seem willing to move him. He'd be an upgrade and he is still reasonable with his age. Not to mention the FA market might be a little low next year with starters since no chance in hell they go after Pedro plus he'll be questionable anyway. The bats are there but the pitching is either too young or just not talented enough.

 

I hope some team out there is dumb enough to go after Ponson, I don't care if they offer a AA catcher and a rookie league pitcher, it would be worth it to get him out of town with his contract.

 

 

The Cubs need a closer if they want to make a run at the wild card. Hawkins is just better in the set-up role and Wellmeyer is about a year away from being given a shot at the job. I don't know who is on the block though is the main problem. And dear god I don't want the Cubs making a run at Jose Mesa. Odds are they make a serious play for Nomar next year as well although I don't know how they would do it. Personally, I like Gonzo but the Cubs just don't.

[Bored 0]

With Tim Hudson slow to return from the DL, the A's aren't looking to trade Zito anymore...unfortunently.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Even though he is a mammoth risk, I'd like to see Baltimore take a shot at acquiring Barry Vito. Yes, I know this goes completely against what I said in another thread but I think a change in location could actually help him and the A's seem willing to move him. He'd be an upgrade and he is still reasonable with his age. Not to mention the FA market might be a little low next year with starters since no chance in hell they go after Pedro plus he'll be questionable anyway. The bats are there but the pitching is either too young or just not talented enough.

I heard a while ago that there were Talks of the Orioles trading BJ Ryan, Jerry Hairston and Jay Gibbons to Oakland for Barry Zito, but I heard that Oakland had soured on trading him even though he hasn't pitched that well this year.

 

Im still certain that Hairston/Roberts will get traded since they can't keep making room for both of them in the lineup.

[2GOLD 0]

I actually like Gibbons so hearing he might go is not good news to me. Same with Ryan since a left hander in the bullpen can be huge. Hairston/Roberts, yeah one of them will go and more than likely it'll be Hairston.

 

It's a damn shame cause I like all three of those players and knowing they might get dealt while players like Jason Grimsley (why?!?!) and Sidney Ponson (god, lose 40 pounds and you'll be good!) stay is annoying.

 

Why the O's wanted Karim Garcia I still don't know. He's not exactly the most talented guy in baseball. Then again, I would have taken a box of baseballs to get Mike DeJean out of town.

 

Any chance some team might want Grimsley???

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Grimsley might go in a package with Hairston/Roberts although I doubt it.

 

BJ Ryan has a TON of trade value but the Orioles arent very willing to part with him. They would rather trade Julio and make Ryan the Closer.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

Why the O's wanted Karim Garcia I still don't know. He's not exactly the most talented guy in baseball. Then again, I would have taken a box of baseballs to get Mike DeJean out of town.

It was more of wanting DeJean's contract off the books. He was making more than he'll ever be worth.

 

I also doubt Grimsley goes anywhere since they signed him to a contract extension and in the off-season will have money to grab a SP or 2. With Segui, Cordova, and others coming off the books they don't need to do many cash dumps. That being said I doubt they trade Grimsley or BJ Ryan(unfortunately) because they're going to want a bullpen next year. Groom might be available if the right offer comes around.

[Vern Gagne 0]

What about the Astros. Any news if their looking into moving Kent, and Beltrane? Would a Kent to Oakland for say Joe Blanton, and a couple other prospects be too far fetched.

Hunsicker said a couple of days ago that he's "not even thinking about it" in regards to selling off either of those guys.

 

And Kent would have to waive his no-trade clause, which is supposedly an idea he has been very cold to. The Astros would probably have to pick up the majority of his contract as well, given his option for next season and all the deferred money he is due and we all know how, uh, frugal Drayton McLane is.

 

I'll be surprised if they move either of them, unless they lose 5 or 6 games in a row between now and this time next week. The Astros still believe they have a run in them.

The Astros are dead. No one in their lineup is hitting worth crap. The bullpen is horrible, the starters besides Clemens have underachieved. Also, the fact they're 7 games behind the wildcard trailing 6 teams doesn't help.

 

Unless they want to resign Beltran. I see know reason not to at least look into trading him.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

Beltran has already said he will not resign with Houston so long as they keep that large pillar and hill in CF.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

From Ben Maller's blog...

 

With all "quiet" on the trade front Wednesday, Angel General Manager Bill Stoneman said he had no plans to acquire a left-handed reliever to complement a bullpen now comprising seven right-handers. The Baltimore Orioles have offered Buddy Groom, and the New York Yankees reportedly have dangled Felix Heredia, each in exchange for Ramon Ortiz. Left-handers are batting .311 off Groom and .204 off Heredia, although Heredia has a 6.14 earned-run average.

 

I dont think Groom is going to garner much interest.

[sfaJack 0]

Oh, I definitely think they should start shopping Beltran and beg Kent to agree to a trade as well.

 

I don't understand why they think they're still in the race, but I'd guess it's probably because they've sold the fans here on their whole "It's Our Turn" marketing and are reluctant to give up the ghost just yet at the risk of poor PR before next season. Uncle Drayton is ALL about positive PR, believe me.

 

Supposedly, the Astros would want a catching prospect (in addition to others, obviously) in return for Beltran, and the name that keeps coming up is Kelly Shoppach.

 

And FS, where'd you hear Beltran say he won't resign without the hill and flagpole being gone? I haven't heard that, but it's pretty funny for some reason. I'd put his chances of re-upping with the Astros at about 5%, even if they get rid of that crap in the outfield.

[Dr. Tom 0]

BJ Ryan has a TON of trade value but the Orioles arent very willing to part with him. They would rather trade Julio and make Ryan the Closer.

I wouldn't make Ryan the closer. Left-handers rarely get turned into closers because they have value as setup men when managers play matchups. I'd rather have Ryan to bridge the game to Julio than send Julio packing and make Ryan the closer. Julio's shown he has the stuff and the mental makeup to be a major-league closer. The team just needs to get him more save chances.

 

Anything that got DeJean out of town was fine with me. I have no idea why he was even signed in the first place. Now if only we hadn't made that bloody stupid trade for Grimsley...

[Guest FrigidSoul]

And FS, where'd you hear Beltran say he won't resign without the hill and flagpole being gone?

As soon as he was traded his agent had said that in a comment in an ESPN article. I don't blame him, that thing cries out for a torn tendon.

[Guest Anglesault]

All I keep hearing are ridiculous rumors. One day, Schill and Unit are enemies, the next day, Schill's wife baked Unit cookies and all was well. The next day, Unit found out the cookies had nuts in them and he has a peanut allergy, so they're enemies again.

 

I think Unit stays in Zona. I don't think the Yankees will give up what Zona wants for him, and I don't think St. Louis makes the move.

The thing is, you (probably) keep hearing Schilling say that there's no problem. And since Curt looks like the bad guy in alot of these stories, it only makes sense for him to deny it.

 

Remember, Reggie said (and still does say) he and Thurman got along.

[Guest GreatOne]

(Dream mode on)

 

The PTBNL the M's got for Aurilia was Khalil Greene!

 

(Dream mode off)

you're really in dream mode since a PTBNL can't be on the club's 40 man roster

No they'd just send JJ Putz back down or designate Jolbert Cabera or try to trade Boone.

 

Watch it be some A-baller, and odds are HE'LL outhit Michael 'Not to be confused with his brother' Garciaparra................

[2GOLD 0]

BJ Ryan has a TON of trade value but the Orioles arent very willing to part with him.  They would rather trade Julio and make Ryan the Closer.

I wouldn't make Ryan the closer. Left-handers rarely get turned into closers because they have value as setup men when managers play matchups. I'd rather have Ryan to bridge the game to Julio than send Julio packing and make Ryan the closer. Julio's shown he has the stuff and the mental makeup to be a major-league closer. The team just needs to get him more save chances.

 

Anything that got DeJean out of town was fine with me. I have no idea why he was even signed in the first place. Now if only we hadn't made that bloody stupid trade for Grimsley...

 

They should be slapped for the deal for Grimsley. God, he has the talent of a garden slug and the only one worse than him was Dejean.

 

I think they would be insane to move Julio or Ryan since they make a solid 1-2 punch in the bullpen with the exact step up you said.

[sfaJack 0]

Just to further dismay Vern, Gerry Hunsicker said again today that he has no intention of trading any "key pieces" of the team by the deadline, next season (and beyond) be damned.

 

He said being only 6 back of the wild card, he feels they're in the race and that the attitude is the same in the clubhouse, so they're going to go for it.

[Vern Gagne 0]

6 back, with 5 teams ahead and they can only beat the god awful D'Backs who've got the golf clubs out already.

 

The Astros should have at least a run in them. However, they haven't shown life against any worth a damn.

[The Czech Republic 0]

I'm waiting for Chicago to make a blockbuster trade. Right now the only block that's getting busted is the one on Waveland, or possibly Sheffield, that's getting pummeled with falling concrete.