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[Steviekick 0]

It's funny- I remember always hearing how DS9 sucked, and it wasn't as good as TNG, and how it was just terrible. Now, everybody seems to like it.

The cool part about DS9 was that it was much darker and was more character driven. Not that TNG was less, but the DS9 characters were much more different when compared to each other.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Plus, Quark rules.

 

How can you NOT like Quark?

[Guest wildpegasus]

In my limited experience watching Star Trek The Original series I've been noticing wrestling moves. Backbodydrops, 2 foot dropkicks, throws, sleepers/chokes and even according to my friend who would never lie a crossarmbreaker. Is this a tradition in all the Star Trek series?

[MrRant 0]

Not really that many wrestling moves in the later series. More punchy/kicky style.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

There wasn't nearly as much rough-n-tumble homoerotic brawling in the later incarnations. The original series is girdle belts and fisticuffs every 15 minutes, which is another reason for its greatness.

[Guest SP-1]

TNG had this strange fighting style that EVERY Federation officer seemed trained it, as I recall.

 

Clasp the hands together, hit them in the stomach. When they've doubled over, blow to the back of the head.

 

Every. Time.

[dutchse.cx 0]

Voyager could have been so much better than it was. The problem with Voyager is that you never once felt like they were struggling. The only way you could tell the ship was in the delta quadrant was that they had food rations and there were different aliens.

 

Not to mention how easily the Maquis crew members acquiesed to the Starfleet way. The crew should have ended up an amalgation of both styles, not pure Federation. They should have been bending and breaking the Prime Directive left and right just to survive.

 

Also, they're a lone ship with no support and very few opportunities to repair. The ship should have been damaged almost constantly throughout the entire series. If you want a good idea of what Voyager SHOULD have been, watch the two parter "Year of Hell". Those are the only two episodes worth watching.

 

A lot of the characters sucked too. Kim, Chakotay, Kes, Neelix, Paris, Janeway, and Torres sucked. And the addition of Seven, however boobalicious, sucked as well. HOWEVER, the series did have two great characters in Tuvok and The Doctor. You have no idea how much I wish those two were Deep Space Nine regulars instead.

[dutchse.cx 0]

Clasp the hands together, hit them in the stomach. When they've doubled over, blow to the back of the head.

 

Every. Time.

 

Kirk in the original series did a hurricane rana once. No, really. It was awesome.

[MrRant 0]

I think Voyager sucked just because of the fucking plot line. I wanted them to be in the Federation and dealing with stuff there. Technically the Alpha quadarant hasn't been fully explorered yet either.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

HOWEVER, the series did have two great characters in Tuvok and The Doctor.

...Tuvok? Uh, how was he a good character? He was at least as useless as the rest. Granted, I gave up on the show after a few seasons, so he could have developed.

 

Now, the Doctor, he was all kinds of awesome.

 

Here's the big difference between a show like DS9 and Voyager.

 

Gul Damar - Minor character. Starts off as Dukat's lackey, eventually drives Dukat insane by killing his daughter, takes over leadership of Cardassia, ends up rebelling against the founders, dies as a martyr.

 

Harry Kim - Minor character. Starts off as an ensign. 7 years later, still an ensign.

[MrRant 0]

I really think they could pull off "Dark Mirror" as a major arc for a new series or as a movie.

[Vyce 0]

I think Voyager sucked just because of the fucking plot line. I wanted them to be in the Federation and dealing with stuff there. Technically the Alpha quadarant hasn't been fully explorered yet either.

I will NEVER forgive Star Trek creative for utterly destroying the Borg with Voyager.

 

Voyager sucks, and is doing shit in the ratings, so what do they do? Put lots of Borg on the show! Hey, people love the Borg!

 

But they fucked them up. The best villains that Trek created in the last 20 years, and they just FUCK them up.

 

It was probably at the time when they introduced Borg children that I decided that Trek needs to die for a while.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

 

The look on his face...

[Guest Kid Kablam]

It's funny- I remember always hearing how DS9 sucked, and it wasn't as good as TNG, and how it was just terrible. Now, everybody seems to like it.

 

Man, I just saw the original series on DVD for sale at Slackers. I gues the owner saw that Boxed set and decided to trade up, or something.

That wasw just the clamor of some very loud TNG loyalists. The same thing probably happened with TOS buffs when TNG hit the airwaves. DS9 had better writing, better actors, and it just had a better feel to the whole thing. Plus.... they had a fucking war! An actual, all out throw down war!

 

DS9 in my opinion is part of the general movement towards better writing on TV in general.I mean, as poorly written as TOS was, it trumped most of what was on at the time. TNG started out very episodic, and by the end there seemed to be an actual awareness of major story arcs, but looking back what were the main things? Wesely Crusher being a genius? Blah. Even in season one of DS9 there are references to the dominion. That my friends is long term planning.

[starvenger 0]

It's funny- I remember always hearing how DS9 sucked, and it wasn't as good as TNG, and how it was just terrible. Now, everybody seems to like it.

The cool part about DS9 was that it was much darker and was more character driven. Not that TNG was less, but the DS9 characters were much more different when compared to each other.

There was a lot of hate for DS9 simply because it wasn't really "true" to the Trek vision. There are grey characters, most of the drama takes place on a space station, too much religion etc.

 

I really think they could pull off "Dark Mirror" as a major arc for a new series or as a movie.

Likely, but the DS9 Mirror Universe wasn't too bad. Hey, you can't really complain about Evil Lesbian Kira, right?

[WrestlingDeacon 0]

In my limited experience watching Star Trek The Original series I've been noticing wrestling moves. Backbodydrops, 2 foot dropkicks, throws, sleepers/chokes and even according to my friend who would never lie a crossarmbreaker. Is this a tradition in all the Star Trek series?

William Shatner talks about that in one of his books. He thought the federation guys would be trained in some form of martial arts/hand to hand combat like military personnel are today. He then caught some wrestling where a guy did a dropkick and he thought it was the coolest move ever, so thought Kirk should have a sweet dropkick and then that branched out into him knowing basic wrestling holds and manuevers.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Ah, so THAT explains why he REALLY was on Raw that one time in late 1994, I believe.

[Guest Ronixis]

OH man- so many good memories ::Sniff::

 

TOS is the best series of them all, the movies soilidfied the main cast, the animated series (the last eight or so) was the set up to the second movie (The Space Station and the introduction of Carol Marcus) The two games (The 25th Annversrey and Judgement Rites) were good games for what they were (There was a third game planned and IT was to FINALLY flesh out the whole Vulcan/Romulan/Reman thing that B&B have been planning for years- but Interplay canned it because of Budget Problems)

 

TNG was a great series from the third season onward. The only thing that hurt them was a lack of a long range storyline otherwise its a great series that can stand on its own.

 

DS9- What a series. They did everything that could do in Trek (which I still kinda wish they were back in the 24 century and told the story after Nemisis) and more. Sisko was the best captian ever since Kirk (but

 

Voyager was not going to be a great series. A mostly mediocore to good series when it dealt with going back home- but not a great series like the pervious three.

 

Enterprise is a live action anime in the vain of Captain Tylor and Star Blazers- Its a great series for what it is- TOS with out the fanserivce (um if TOS had the miniskirts- what would the women back then be serving up? They had some nice looking designs for the female humans-but yeah...they stayed PC for the suits- and T'pol (aka Stanky Elf, aka Pirotesse, aka Sei Vulcan no Hime) gets the cat suit... I do have to say however, the third season was a wonderful change, and they will end the temporal cold war this season (which was the basis of Enterprise since day one... that and the Romulan war)...

 

Oh- one more thing- They used MMA style in ENT- The Maco's (the 22nd Centuries version of a Security Detail, since United Earth does not really have a major milltary force) had a training mission where they the used holds and all that, well the leader of the Maco's (who died in the season finale) fought with Malcom (the Tactical Officer) and did a brainbuster on him.