"You know how the rich is"

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Thomas Jefferson is largely regarded as our only libertarian president...and would thus today be a leader in obscurity.

[Guest CronoT]

Nobody knows. He was very much opposed to a strong centralized government, so him supporting the "Hell, let's nationalize health care" Clinton seems a little far-fetched.

Well, I just did some more checking. I think I figured out why I could find nothing on that.

 

Because it was Al Gore, not Bill Clinton, who was 'involved' in that.

So Gore WAS dumber than Bush. I, yet again, am proven right.

-=Mike

...I know, anybody good in history would side with the Democrats...

Would you know who Thomas Jefferson or George Washington was, just be seeing a bust of them? As long as they know who and what they are to history, I don't care if they can't recognize a bust or picture of them.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

So Gore WAS dumber than Bush. I, yet again, am proven right.

-=Mike

Yes, based on a story in which you brought up for no apparent reason and mangled, and then had to be corrected about, a story with no actual backup or evidence to support that it ever happened.

 

Man, that's some proof there. Do you have endnotes?

 

"Hi, my name is Mr. Right, because I'm always Right!"

 

I'm sure we all have problems with the usage of Are and Is as well.

 

But, one incident, with no proof, from 1992, proves that Al Gore is dumber than George W. Bush, but don't bring up how Bush continually mangles the English language, that's just petty. Plus, we all know that Gore is the dumb one.

[Guest MikeSC]

So Gore WAS dumber than Bush. I, yet again, am proven right.

                    -=Mike

Yes, based on a story in which you brought up for no apparent reason and mangled, and then had to be corrected about, a story with no actual backup or evidence to support that it ever happened.

 

Man, that's some proof there. Do you have endnotes?

 

"Hi, my name is Mr. Right, because I'm always Right!"

 

I'm sure we all have problems with the usage of Are and Is as well.

 

But, one incident, with no proof, from 1992, proves that Al Gore is dumber than George W. Bush, but don't bring up how Bush continually mangles the English language, that's just petty. Plus, we all know that Gore is the dumb one.

I could mention Gore nearly failing out of missionary school. Or his pursuit of that BRUTAL educational discipline, journalism.

 

All Bush did was graduate from that cakewalk Harvard School of Business.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Do you have any evidence to back up the Gore Monticello story?

 

just curious Mike

 

Anyways.. this is sorta going off topic, since a certain person tried to compare Bush to Clinton (unsuccessfully) and then Bush to Gore

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

I wasn't going to reply to this thread because it didn't meet up to my high standards of excellence, but since my name was dropped I feel the need to pick it up.

 

I don't think Great One would accept an invitation to join the CB, so you're save on that one, Slapnuts.

 

Oh, and Mike, I had to study once or twice in order to get my Journalism degree.

 

And for some reason Great One reminds me of that Nemesis guy. That's all...

[Special K 0]

The thing that baffles me, is that neither candidate seems to understand that you actually have to cut SOME government programs sometime. Bush cut taxes, yay Bush, but then he raised government spending to massive levels. Not a particularly good plan. Now Kerry comes along and wants to spend even MORE money, and he thinks that raising taxes a little will pay for the increases in programs he proposes. Even if that's true, then you've still got a record deficit. Time to look at if some programs are reallt necessary.

 

That quote from Bush is really, really, dumb though.

Of course, so are the Dems' claims that Bush is cutting spending on things like education.

 

When's the last time we had an actual economic conservative running?

[snuffbox 0]

The thing that baffles me, is that neither candidate seems to understand that you actually have to cut SOME government programs sometime. Bush cut taxes, yay Bush, but then he raised government spending to massive levels. Not a particularly good plan. Now Kerry comes along and wants to spend even MORE money, and he thinks that raising taxes a little will pay for the increases in programs he proposes. Even if that's true, then you've still got a record deficit. Time to look at if some programs are reallt necessary.

 

That quote from Bush is really, really, dumb though.

Of course, so are the Dems' claims that Bush is cutting spending on things like education.

 

When's the last time we had an actual economic conservative running?

Herbert Hoover

[Guest MikeSC]

I wasn't going to reply to this thread because it didn't meet up to my high standards of excellence, but since my name was dropped I feel the need to pick it up.

 

I don't think Great One would accept an invitation to join the CB, so you're save on that one, Slapnuts.

 

Oh, and Mike, I had to study once or twice in order to get my Journalism degree.

 

And for some reason Great One reminds me of that Nemesis guy. That's all...

No way he's Nem. Nem is one insanely verbose fella.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Dubya still know how the rich is

 

http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/virgi...dlines-virginia

 

Bush criticized Kerry's plan to eliminate the tax cuts for those making more than $200,000 a year, saying that the "the rich in America happen to be the small business owners" who put people to work.

 

Bush also said high taxes on the rich are a failed strategy because "the really rich people figure out how to dodge taxes anyway."

 

Asked about that comment, Jonathan Beeton, spokesman for Kerry's campaign in Virginia, said "George Bush can speak with authority about really rich people. ... That's his base, so I'm sure he knows what he's talking about. But that doesn't make it right."

 

No word on if Bush revealed to the Virginans about the usage of Accountants by the Rich

[jesse_ewiak 0]

Here's a better idea -- tax those most able to pay for it, close loopholes, increase penalties for tax cheats, and strengthen enforcement. That way, Bush's friends won't be able to dodge taxes.

 

But whatever. Abolish the speed limit because people speed anyway. Abolish drug laws because people do drugs anyway. Eliminate murder statutes because people kill people anyway.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Haha, Rob E is a DKos reader. I was about to post this.

[Special K 0]

Christ, they're both rich, but saying taxing the wealthy is unneeded because they dodge it anyway is so counterintuitive, it makes my giant brain want to explode.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Haha, Rob E is a DKos reader. I was about to post this.

Hmm.. coincidence.

 

Haha.

[Styles 0]

What he's saying is not "there's no point in taxes on the rich because they'll dodge them anyway", he's saying that taxes on the rich are really taxes on the middle class and small business owners, since most are considered "rich enough" to tax, yet not enough for it not to harm them, while the "really rich" that everyone's so gung ho about taxing because they can afford it, will just loophole their way out of it anyway. So, essentially a tax on the rich is a tax on the small business owners and middle class Americans with a modest amount of wealth. And I agree.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

...wow, way to read way too fucking much into that.

 

Bush also said high taxes on the rich are a failed strategy because "the really rich people figure out how to dodge taxes anyway."

[Stephen Joseph 0]

Actually, it's the middle and lower class that spends the money. The highest classes just puts it back away in their bank and considers it money saved.

That actually couldn't be further from the truth Jobber

Most investment comes from the upper class. The lower class has to spend their money to survive and pay for stuff, the middle class contributes a decent bit.

 

Most of the upper class stay upper class because theyre putting their money in investments. By the law of large numbers, even if less of a percentage of the upper class were investing *which theyre not* theyd still contribute more

 

When was the last time you knew of a person contributing 1000 dollars a month to a 401k who worked at McDonalds?

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...20040817-6.html

 

Be careful of these folks who travel around the country making all these big promises, and say, oh, don't worry, we'll pay for it by taxing the rich. You know how that goes. The rich hires accountants and lawyers and you get stuck with the bill. But we're not going to let him raise your taxes. For the sake of economic growth, for the sake of job creation, we will keep America's taxes low.

 

Damn Accountants. Damn them all!

[Guest MikeSC]

Here's a better idea -- tax those most able to pay for it, close loopholes, increase penalties for tax cheats, and strengthen enforcement. That way, Bush's friends won't be able to dodge taxes.

 

But whatever. Abolish the speed limit because people speed anyway. Abolish drug laws because people do drugs anyway. Eliminate murder statutes because people kill people anyway.

Tax those "most able to pay it"? You like the idea of the government deciding how much money you "need"? Who makes the decision?

 

And why is it so hard to fathom that, say, a Kennedy will be more capable of dodging taxes than a small business owner who is worth more on paper than he is in reality?

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Here's a better idea -- tax those most able to pay for it, close loopholes, increase penalties for tax cheats, and strengthen enforcement. That way, Bush's friends won't be able to dodge taxes.

 

But whatever. Abolish the speed limit because people speed anyway. Abolish drug laws because people do drugs anyway. Eliminate murder statutes because people kill people anyway.

Tax those "most able to pay it"? You like the idea of the government deciding how much money you "need"? Who makes the decision?

 

And why is it so hard to fathom that, say, a Kennedy will be more capable of dodging taxes than a small business owner who is worth more on paper than he is in reality?

-=Mike

Any comment on the idea of lowering taxes on the people who are supposedly dodging taxes?

 

Now, since Bush has claimed that the rich are dodging taxes, i'm sure there's something that could be done about it.

[Guest MikeSC]

Here's a better idea -- tax those most able to pay for it, close loopholes, increase penalties for tax cheats, and strengthen enforcement. That way, Bush's friends won't be able to dodge taxes.

 

But whatever. Abolish the speed limit because people speed anyway. Abolish drug laws because people do drugs anyway. Eliminate murder statutes because people kill people anyway.

Tax those "most able to pay it"? You like the idea of the government deciding how much money you "need"? Who makes the decision?

 

And why is it so hard to fathom that, say, a Kennedy will be more capable of dodging taxes than a small business owner who is worth more on paper than he is in reality?

-=Mike

Any comment on the idea of lowering taxes on the people who are supposedly dodging taxes?

 

Now, since Bush has claimed that the rich are dodging taxes, i'm sure there's something that could be done about it.

Bush's point was that raising taxes to punish the "wealthy" is counter-productive, since the exceptionally wealthy are more than capable of LEGALLY dodging their taxes. The people who will get soaked are NOT the super-wealthy.

-=Mike

[jesse_ewiak 0]

Again, here's a really wacky idea. Why doesn't Bush push to change the tax code so the rich can't dodge taxes instead of going, "oh well, guess I've got to give them more than 50% of the tax cut next time"?

[Guest MikeSC]

Again, here's a really wacky idea. Why doesn't Bush push to change the tax code so the rich can't dodge taxes instead of going, "oh well, guess I've got to give them more than 50% of the tax cut next time"?

Because the tax code has been used for social engineering for so many years that it is impossible to "fix" it.

-=Mike