They knew...

[Justice 0]

Whoa, apparently UN Resolutions don't count as "reasons" anymore.

The UN resolution said that in the event that Saddam was in violation, it was up to the UN, not the United States, to figure out what to do about it.

Hey, it's still a reason. They were in violation of the UN resolutions set against them, and the US decided to enforce it because the UN refused to take action. I'm perfectly fine with that.

so if cops don't enforce the speed limit, can I tape one of those neato flashing light thingys I got at Spencers Gifts onto my car and enforce the law for them??

 

j/k of course, but thats the first thing I thought of when I read that response

Hey, someone has to be in control. I'm all good for that sort of stuff...

 

... he wrote as he listened to "King of My World". Bush should honestly walk out to this at the Republican Convention.

[Styles 0]

Whoa, apparently UN Resolutions don't count as "reasons" anymore.

The UN resolution said that in the event that Saddam was in violation, it was up to the UN, not the United States, to figure out what to do about it.

Hey, it's still a reason. They were in violation of the UN resolutions set against them, and the US decided to enforce it because the UN refused to take action. I'm perfectly fine with that.

so if cops don't enforce the speed limit, can I tape one of those neato flashing light thingys I got at Spencers Gifts onto my car and enforce the law for them??

 

j/k of course, but thats the first thing I thought of when I read that response

Hey, someone has to be in control. I'm all good for that sort of stuff...

 

... he wrote as he listened to "King of My World". Bush should honestly walk out to this at the Republican Convention.

Hey, in 2000 Pat Buchanan ended his convention with a loop of, I shit you not, first Real American (yes, Hulk's WWF theme), and to prove it wasn't a coincidence, immediately after "American Made" (Hulk's WCW theme). It was pretty freaky. I was at a hotel and it was late at night and Im sure it was a replay on Cspan or something, and I heard Real American and saw Buchanan shaking hands at the end of Reform Party Convention and was thinking "wtf?" and then when it ended and American Made started up, I questioned my sobriety.

[Vyce 0]

Whoa, apparently UN Resolutions don't count as "reasons" anymore.

The UN resolution said that in the event that Saddam was in violation, it was up to the UN, not the United States, to figure out what to do about it.

Hey, it's still a reason. They were in violation of the UN resolutions set against them, and the US decided to enforce it because the UN refused to take action. I'm perfectly fine with that.

so if cops don't enforce the speed limit, can I tape one of those neato flashing light thingys I got at Spencers Gifts onto my car and enforce the law for them??

 

j/k of course, but thats the first thing I thought of when I read that response

If you had the legal authority to do so - which, in the situation of Iraq, America did - than yes, you could.

 

Your analogy is inadequate and poorly conceived.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

If you had the legal authority to do so - which, in the situation of Iraq, America did

Eh? The resolution didn't say we could go run in there against everyone's wishes.

 

Basically, what Powerplay is trying to say is that we're following the spirit and intent of the resolution. Doesn't mean we didn't break it anyway.

[Guest thebigjig]

Whoa, apparently UN Resolutions don't count as "reasons" anymore.

The UN resolution said that in the event that Saddam was in violation, it was up to the UN, not the United States, to figure out what to do about it.

Hey, it's still a reason. They were in violation of the UN resolutions set against them, and the US decided to enforce it because the UN refused to take action. I'm perfectly fine with that.

so if cops don't enforce the speed limit, can I tape one of those neato flashing light thingys I got at Spencers Gifts onto my car and enforce the law for them??

 

j/k of course, but thats the first thing I thought of when I read that response

If you had the legal authority to do so - which, in the situation of Iraq, America did - than yes, you could.

 

Your analogy is inadequate and poorly conceived.

So... we have the legal authority to do just about anything we want... because we're america?

 

If we wanted to go in and take over France, could we do that??

[Justice 0]

If you had the legal authority to do so - which, in the situation of Iraq, America did

Eh? The resolution didn't say we could go run in there against everyone's wishes.

 

Basically, what Powerplay is trying to say is that we're following the spirit and intent of the resolution. Doesn't mean we didn't break it anyway.

I'd just like to clarify the bolded statement, because it seems to be used more and more and it's quite incorrect.

 

The UN isn't a single voice. It is, like our Congress, many voices with many different opinions, ideas, and goals. On the issue of Iraq, the UN was very divided; much of Eastern Europe sided with us, plus Britain and other nations around the World. The most notable block against us was the Rhineland Countries (Germany/Belgium/France) and Russia, again with other countries as well. It was a very split decision, and to say that we went against the entire UN is a very critical distortion of the truth that the Democrats have really been pushing around. We went against the wishes of a very determined coaltion, which just happened to have a country that wasn't afraid to throw down it's security veto (France). This can be likened somewhat to what happened with UN involvement in Kosovo when Russia refused to allow any sort of action. Just as if Bush vetoed something that the Democrats passed through Congress, it would not be looked on as "Bush defies Congress" but rather "Bush defies Congressional Democrats".

 

Did the UN not approve of the action in Iraq? Yes.

 

Did the entire body of the UN universally disapprove of the action in Iraq? Hardly. Just to note, this is a BIG problem that the UN really has to fix (The Veto Rule), otherwise I think we'll see it become more and more like the League of Nations: Something that is antiquated, inept, and that will soon be realized to be a failure.

 

-=Kris

... I've been waiting a long while to say that.

[Guest GreatOne]

If we wanted to go in and take over France, could we do that??

Who COULDN'T?

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

If we wanted to go in and take over France, could we do that??

Who COULDN'T?

you.

[Guest MikeSC]

Why can't Bush just focus on Bin Laden?  Why was Iraq, a countrty that didn't and couldn't attack us, invaded?

Because sending thousands more troops to search for a needle in a haystack --- especially when we don't even know WHAT haystack it is in --- is not a terribly efficient use of people or equipment.

Why is our president focusing on an unrelated dictator while a man responsible for 3,000+ dead Americans is left free?

Because a) we don't know if he's alive, b) we don't know where he is, c) With our total lack of any actual intel on the ground inside the remnants of Al Qaeda, we have no way of knowing where Osama is from minute-to-minute.

Why do we allow the 9-11 victims to have died in vain...and continue to lose lives in Iraq?

Hmm, so when we deposed Germany before we deposed Japan, did that mean we had the Pearl Harbor victims "die in vain"? By any viewing of WW II, we put FAR more emphasis on beating Germany than Japan.

Why are there more terrorist attacks now than ever before?

Man, before December, 1941, we didn't have Japanese and Germans killing us left-and-right. FDR made the U.S "less safe", I s'pose.

Eh? The resolution didn't say we could go run in there against everyone's wishes.

 

Basically, what Powerplay is trying to say is that we're following the spirit and intent of the resolution. Doesn't mean we didn't break it anyway.

Care to define what "part" we "broke"?

-=Mike

[Guest thebigjig]

You constantly comparing the events of World War II to THIS shows just how desperate you are to make a point.

[Guest MikeSC]

You constantly comparing the events of World War II to THIS shows just how desperate you are to make a point.

Nah. The only event really comparable in American history to 9/11 is the attack on Pearl Harbor.

 

But, don't let that whole lack of knowledge thing slow you do...wait, you haven't done that yet.

-=Mike

[Guest thebigjig]

You constantly comparing the events of World War II to THIS shows just how desperate you are to make a point.

Nah. The only event really comparable in American history to 9/11 is the attack on Pearl Harbor.

 

But, don't let that whole lack of knowledge thing slow you do...wait, you haven't done that yet.

-=Mike

It's called comparing Germany and Japan to Iraq and Bin Laden you shortsighted unclefucker

[Guest MikeSC]

You constantly comparing the events of World War II to THIS shows just how desperate you are to make a point.

Nah. The only event really comparable in American history to 9/11 is the attack on Pearl Harbor.

 

But, don't let that whole lack of knowledge thing slow you do...wait, you haven't done that yet.

-=Mike

It's called comparing Germany and Japan to Iraq and Bin Laden you shortsighted unclefucker

Keep your personal incestual demons to yourself.

 

And --- you know, I really don't have the desire to try and teach you. Just go sit in the corner and smear feces on yourself.

-=Mike

[Guest GreatOne]

If we wanted to go in and take over France, could we do that??

Who COULDN'T?

you.

OK Mr. 'I wanna suck off all the GreatOne-haters in this forum so I can fit in'..........

 

Yet me emphasizing that I don't care and the Jigs and Tylers of the world are nothings to me is somehow worse than posting junk that helps you 'fit in', ok................

 

You constantly comparing the events of World War II to THIS shows just how desperate you are to make a point.

 

Yeah equating World War II to the war on terror still continues to be inaccurate and offensive to liberals dontcha know?

 

Of course these are by and large people who thought that CARTER had good foreign policies.....................

[NoCalMike 0]

Damn this is the second forum today that is kind of crossing over to personal attacks........ah well what do I care, I am not a mod....