razazteca 0 Report post Posted August 8, 2004 Did baseball spoil it for the other major leagues with the practice of giving high contracts to average players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted August 8, 2004 Did baseball spoil it for the other major leagues with the practice of giving high contracts to average players. Quite the opposite actually. The other leagues spoiled it for baseball by demonstrating what athletes were actually worth on the free market. While baseball had the reserve clause, football had competition with the NFL and AFL, and basketball had the NBA and ABA. The other leagues were forced to compete for players, thus driving salaries. This led the players to realize they were getting screwed. And I think the unseen effect of Moneyball and the Oakland A's is that there are a LOT less dumb contracts being thrown about recently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted August 8, 2004 So if you don't know about a guy who got a massive contract, dosn't that help my point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smark-Raving Mad Report post Posted August 8, 2004 Shawn Bradley's 11 year, $76 mil rookie contract holds a special place in my nightmares. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted August 8, 2004 And to think Bradley on had 1 year of college experience at the time! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kid Kablam Report post Posted August 8, 2004 And to think Bradley on had 1 year of college experience at the time! But he had missionary experience! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted August 8, 2004 So if you don't know about a guy who got a massive contract, dosn't that help my point? I'm saying that Holik and Jagr's contracts are worse, and you're saying this Reeves guy. It's called a difference of opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted August 8, 2004 I am not arguing your opinion. I am questioning ur dissmissal of my pick by "I dont know hwo he is". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted August 8, 2004 And I'm not dismissing your pick, as you basically said that Holik is a good player, and then went on and on about this Reeves guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted August 8, 2004 You dont think Holik is good? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted August 9, 2004 No, I don't. He's a product of a system in New Jersey that always employs one good two-way center. Holik was it. When Slats WAY overpaid to take Holik away from the Devils, John Madden stepped in and took Holik's spot. He plays better D, kills penalties better, and surprising enough...the Devils are just as successful! Holik is a product of a system, and the fact that he makes 9 million dollars a year, and actual GOOD players like Glen Murray, who's actually WORTH that amount of money, don't make anywhere near that neighborhood. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted August 9, 2004 Whatever the Browns end up paying Kellen Winslow II. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted August 9, 2004 No, I don't. He's a product of a system in New Jersey that always employs one good two-way center. Holik was it. When Slats WAY overpaid to take Holik away from the Devils, John Madden stepped in and took Holik's spot. He plays better D, kills penalties better, and surprising enough...the Devils are just as successful! Holik is a product of a system, and the fact that he makes 9 million dollars a year, and actual GOOD players like Glen Murray, who's actually WORTH that amount of money, don't make anywhere near that neighborhood. Your explanations expalins why he dosn't deserve 9 Mill. You admitted he is a two-way center that fitted into a system. I am not claiming Holik is a 50 goal scorer. But I would argue that he is very prodcutive player if sloted into a 3rd line center role on a team who needs a two way Center. I am not saying he is great, but good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted August 9, 2004 Which is why this isn't the 'good players' thread, but the 'Worst Contracts Ever?' thread. The mere fact that Holik makes that amount of money is exactly why they're at the point they're at in the CBA meetings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest hockeytown9321 Report post Posted August 9, 2004 The Detroit Tigers gave Damion Easley something like $12 million a year for 4 years, they released him last year, but are still paying him a ton. They also gave a similar deal to Bobby Higginson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted August 9, 2004 Right, but my arguement is that while Holik has a stupid contract, he is still good. My example has never been good in the NBA, and still got a similar stupid contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted August 9, 2004 Right, but my arguement is that while Holik has a stupid contract, he is still good. My example has never been good in the NBA, and still got a similar stupid contract. But that's the thing: This is the WORST CONTRACTS thread. While Holik is a good player, giving him NINE million a year is a horrible idea and a bad contract. That's why it's one of the worst contracts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hogan Made Wrestling 0 Report post Posted August 9, 2004 Here's a list of some of the top paid sportsmen. 50 Highest Paid Athletes Of course, those numbers mean little for this thread because they include endorsement deals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson G 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2004 I'm surprised some people actually mentioned the Sonics' stupidity when it comes to not only signing players, but choosing the right ones. People No One Wanted: Calvin Booth Jim McIllvaine Vin Baker The 3 Million Russian Guys They've Drafted Recently Moochie Norris Olden Polynice (x2) Billy Owens Sarunas Marcioulonis (sp?) Steve Scheffler People The Sonics Got Rid Of For No Reason: Don MacLean Eric Snow Ruben Patterson (probably for the money he wanted, though) Aaron Williams Doug Christie Sam Perkins (bias, my favorite player of all-time) Scottie Pippen Dale Ellis (x2) Ervin Johnson Dana Barros Jelani McCoy Shammond Williams Desmond Mason (although his trade brought in Ray Allen) Olumide Oyedeji (I liked him at least) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted August 10, 2004 Ruben Patterson left as a free agent because, had he continued living in Washington state, he would have had to register as a sex offender. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2004 Well the Knicks obviously wanted Vin Baker, as they've now blown their shot at getting Damps in order to keep him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2004 I got a couple here: 1)Jose Contreras (Yankees) 2)Allen Houston (NY Knicks) 3)Shawn Bradley (NJ Nets) 4)Mo Vaughn (Anaheim Angels) 5)Mike Hampton (Colorado Rockies) the Top guy on my list though: GRANT HILL (Detroit and Orlando would be better off with a bag of basketballs) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0 Report post Posted August 12, 2004 Jason Giambi The Yankees signed him to a 7-year deal at age 31. His first season was MVP caliber, in 2002, yes. Last year he hit about .250, and this year now that he's off the juice his entire health is blown out of whack and he's got this tumor thing going on. He was hitting .221. Plus, he's had knee and back problems basically since they signed him. He DHed probably more than he played first last year, and I know he DHed every game in the playoffs. He's a defensive liability, an injury risk, and now a health risk. A $120 million dollar one at that. And we're stuck with him till he's 38 years old. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites